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Highly unlikely, but would you welcome Cowher back to the Steelers?

antdrewjosh said:
Which is why I dont put ALL the blame on coaches. Players have to execute. Kordell couldnt mentally overcome any mistakes he made. Thats not Cowher's fault. O'Donnell made two bad throws in the Super bowl thats not Cowhers fault. Tim McKyer got burnt thats not on Cowher. In the playoffs teams will take away what you do best. Cowher adjusted his players didnt.
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I don't think anyone is putting all the blame on the coaches. I blame Tomlin for not drafting players that fit LeBeau's system and not being able to replace a single position outside of one RB and one WR. The OL is average (at times), the DL is a disaster, the CBs are horrible, the LBs are pathetic and there is no depth anywhere. That's on the coach. Also play calling is on the HC and OC. But individual players are screwing up as well. I call them out as well. How many times have I blasted Worilds, Timmons, Jones, Gilbert, Adams, Allen, Thomas etc... They are responsible for their play and Tomlin is responsible for them being on the team.
 
Not like I wouldn't consider it but I think Cowher likes his CBS gig and not sure the fire for coaching is there anymore. I would rather find someone who is innovating and motivating and an up-and-comer. Tomlin wasn't on anyones radar because he was a god awful defensive coordinator. I live on the MN/WI boarder and believe me I heard all the viking fans laugh that a guy close to being fired as a DC was now getting a head coaching job because of the color of his skin. I completely understand the problem with our secondary it is because of coach who was a DB, and DB coach had the last ranked pass defense in the NFL when he was the DC with the vikings. Yeah, Art II no red flags there.

This reminds me of the "progressive" and Ebola. There's a 0% chance of this spreading in America because being "progressive" makes you immune to deadly pathogens and all common sense. If someone is not good at being a defensive coordinator they will likely not be a good head coach.
 
Cowher brought the passion that is sorely lacking on this team, but martyball caused us much grief. We are not setup for a martybal team. We should be a high scoring team.
 
In Ben We Trust said:
This Tomlin hot seat stuff is real, very real. There is no way that the Rooney's can watch this debacle of a team and not realize that wholesale changes are in order, starting at the top of the coaching staff. So if Shades is let go as he should be, would you be happy if they went after Cowher? Me personally, I would be ecstatic. This team needs a fire, a listen here you SOB's, you are playing for the Pittsburgh ******* Steelers and history dictates that you play like a bunch of junkyard dogs on every snap, no exceptions. Is anybody else with me? Would bringing back Cowher be a good idea?
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I'm afraid the answer would be no. Cowher basically went out on top, and it took him nearly 14 years to get to the top of that mountain. There were other factors that went into his retirement, yes, but the bottom line is that he has been making nice money staying employed and still involved with the league at CBS not putting in anywhere near the kinds of hours a coach has to.

I'm afraid if Cowher came back, he wouldn't be the same Bill Cowher we remember. A man tends to mellow as he ages, especially with the loss of a spouse and having grown children.

If you could guarantee me 90s Bill, id be on board in a heartbeat, but I dont think that guy is around anymore.
 
Vader said:
Which would matter if he ever did that. That is a myth. Cowher let Kordell throw the ball 30+ times in one AFCC game and 40+ times in another. O'Donnell threw the ball 49 times in the SB and 54 times against SD the year before.
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Don't forget the Tommy Gun Picksix errr...Maddox era. He whipped the ball all over.
 
In today's NFL? Hell no.

I would rather take a shot with Art Briles (Baylor). He did the running thing in the 90s and now does the all our passing thing now.
 
In Ben We Trust said:
This Tomlin hot seat stuff is real, very real. There is no way that the Rooney's can watch this debacle of a team and not realize that wholesale changes are in order, starting at the top of the coaching staff. So if Shades is let go as he should be, would you be happy if they went after Cowher? Me personally, I would be ecstatic. This team needs a fire, a listen here you SOB's, you are playing for the Pittsburgh ******* Steelers and history dictates that you play like a bunch of junkyard dogs on every snap, no exceptions. Is anybody else with me? Would bringing back Cowher be a good idea?
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As long as Tomlin is gone I don't care who they try. Anyone that's not soft like mike
 
New blood, hopefully new results. Hire the new guy on merits, not on skin color or accolades. Cut his interview about ten minutes short, see how he manages "the clock". Introduce him to Todd Hailey and see if he "knocks him out" with a run play. Send Dick L. into interview on a manic blitz like maneuver and pay attention to the new guy reaction to the old figured out system he is facing. Well, by now you get the DRIFT of my interview and immediate on the job experience / aptitude / professionalism. I agree we need a "COACH" who can coach!!!



Salute the nation
 
How quickly everyone forgets. Quick trivia: Who was the last Steelers Head Coach to post a losing record? Hint: It wasn't Mike Tomlin.

We were 7-9 in '98, and 6-10 in both the 1999 and 2003 seasons. Yet Tomlin sucks and Cowher is God.

Discussion is moot anyway. Just like Gruden, he has a cushy job on tv that takes a small fraction of the time and stress. Why on earth would he jump into the fire again?
 
How quickly everyone forgets. Quick trivia: Who was the last Steelers Head Coach to post a losing record? Hint: It wasn't Mike Tomlin.

We were 7-9 in '98, and 6-10 in both the 1999 and 2003 seasons. Yet Tomlin sucks and Cowher is God.

Discussion is moot anyway. Just like Gruden, he has a cushy job on tv that takes a small fraction of the time and stress. Why on earth would he jump into the fire again?
 
Cowher had his share of embarrassing losses for sure (expansion teams, 2-14 Bengals) but I think it's pretty clear the Steelers have been either unprepared or undisciplined or both for much of the past 38 games.
 
Unless you are in the meetings and practice how can you say a team is unprepared? Unprepared means the team does something you havent seen. When you miss a tackle, block, get pancaked, drop a pass, fumble ect. that has nothing to do with preparation. Thats called getting your *** kicked or just plain sucking. Only one time in my I can say they were unprepared was the first Cleveland game this year. The no huddle surprised them. But how can you prepare for something not on film yet?
 
buff said:
How quickly everyone forgets. Quick trivia: Who was the last Steelers Head Coach to post a losing record? Hint: It wasn't Mike Tomlin.

We were 7-9 in '98, and 6-10 in both the 1999 and 2003 seasons. Yet Tomlin sucks and Cowher is God.

Discussion is moot anyway. Just like Gruden, he has a cushy job on tv that takes a small fraction of the time and stress. Why on earth would he jump into the fire again?
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You must not be reading the board very much these days. It's been said 1000 times the past few months. The reasons have been gone over as well. Tomlin has always had a franchise QB while Cowher was in a power struggle with Donahoe. Cowher also had to rebuild his teams every year or so because Heinz field wasn't built yet and he was losing players hand over fist to FAs. Also going 8-8 back to back years with a franchise QB in his prime isn't a great achievement.
 
Vader said:
You must not be reading the board very much these days. It's been said 1000 times the past few months. The reasons have been gone over as well. Tomlin has always had a franchise QB while Cowher was in a power struggle with Donahoe. Cowher also had to rebuild his teams every year or so because Heinz field wasn't built yet and he was losing players hand over fist to FAs. Also going 8-8 back to back years with a franchise QB in his prime isn't a great achievement.
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Just because you've voiced that opinion a thousand times doesnt make it fact. Dont make excuses for Cowher if there can be no excuses for the other.
 
They marched down the field twice in the First quarter. Dominated the first quarter offensively and defensively. If wheaton doesnt drop that pass maybe its 10-0. Where was the unpreparedness? They let Tampa hang around by not scoring touchdowns. What did Tampa do that they were unprepared for? Unprepared and blowing your assingment are not the same thing.
 
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2014/10/steelers-vs-browns-ii-film-review-heath-miller/

Take a look at this article. Look at the gifs. Was Heath unprepared, thats why he missed his blocks?
 
antdrewjosh said:
Just because you've voiced that opinion a thousand times doesnt make it fact. Dont make excuses for Cowher if there can be no excuses for the other.
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Tell me what I said that wasn't a fact. You can't. You just want more excuses for your boy Tomlin.
 
They are facts but it is your opinion that they justify the losing that occured. These same facts were availble back then. Why was Cowher not given a pass then? Fact is he wasnt. He caught hell. Just like Tomlin is now. They werent valid reasons then why are they now?
 
Vader said:
You must not be reading the board very much these days. It's been said 1000 times the past few months. The reasons have been gone over as well. Tomlin has always had a franchise QB while Cowher was in a power struggle with Donahoe. Cowher also had to rebuild his teams every year or so because Heinz field wasn't built yet and he was losing players hand over fist to FAs. Also going 8-8 back to back years with a franchise QB in his prime isn't a great achievement.
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I haven't, for the reason that the same arguments are made over and over and over again.

Anybody who has been a fan of this team for more than 10 years knows that Cowher has had his share of stinker games and seasons. His biggest knocks were that he wasn't an X's and O's guy and that he pulled a Schottenheimer in the playoffs. This board started right around when we stunk and the "Fire Cowher" posts were running rampant. Now everyone wants him back.

Like I've said 1,000 times, the Steelers are the most successful franchise in NFL history and have always been owned by the Rooney's. So, if they want Tomlin around, I'll support their decision.
 
antdrewjosh said:
They are facts but it is your opinion that they justify the losing that occured. These same facts were availble back then. Why was Cowher not given a pass then? Fact is he wasnt. He caught hell. Just like Tomlin is now. They werent valid reasons then why are they now?
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That makes absolutely no difference. They are facts and reasons why they lost. You really think losing FAs every year had nothing to do with the losing record? Yes, Cowher caught hell but so do all coaches. Does that mean all coaches are identical? You see Tomlin and Cowher as equals when they aren't. They coached under different circumstances.

buff said:
I haven't, for the reason that the same arguments are made over and over and over again.

Anybody who has been a fan of this team for more than 10 years knows that Cowher has had his share of stinker games and seasons. His biggest knocks were that he wasn't an X's and O's guy and that he pulled a Schottenheimer in the playoffs. This board started right around when we stunk and the "Fire Cowher" posts were running rampant. Now everyone wants him back.

Like I've said 1,000 times, the Steelers are the most successful franchise in NFL history and have always been owned by the Rooney's. So, if they want Tomlin around, I'll support their decision.
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So you decide to make the same argument again then want to blast people for making the same argument against it? Nobody is saying Cowher didn't have bad seasons and not everybody wants him back. I don't want him back. So for you to generalize everything just to make the point that everything has been argued to death makes no sense to me. The Steelers have won more SBs that anybody else but that doesn't mean that they are right about everything. It sure as hell doesn't mean they are right about everything in today's NFL. 4 of those SBs happened when most on here weren't even born. Since those 4, teams like the Redskins, Cowboys, pats*, Giants, 49ers etc. have won more SBs than the Steelers and teams like the Broncos have won as many.
 
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