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Highly unlikely, but would you welcome Cowher back to the Steelers?

Like others here I don't believe Cowher would want to come back. He has less hours and a cushy job now.

As to his success or lack there of, he didn't have anyone under center for those losing years. 6-10 in '03 ? OK, what happened the next year after they drafted Ben?

Cowher did have bad years, but never multiple years in a row. If Tomlin can't find a way to win this year, and with this schedule, it's time to go.
 
Those are your opinions for why they lost. I can simply say Cowher knew the conditions he coached under. He knew free agents wouldnt be signed why wasnt there replacements there ready to go to replace those guys? Like a merry go round we can go around and around with this crap. Like i said before all coaches coach under different circumstances. Dont make excuses for one and then refute all others for another. Fact is their records are identical. They have both won one super bowl and lost one. How much more equal can you get?
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Like others here I don't believe Cowher would want to come back. He has less hours and a cushy job now.

As to his success or lack there of, he didn't have anyone under center for those losing years. 6-10 in '03 ? OK, what happened the next year after they drafted Ben?

Cowher did have bad years, but never multiple years in a row. If Tomlin can't find a way to win this year, and with this schedule, it's time to go.
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So 98 99 2000 werent back to back to back?
 
antdrewjosh said:
Those are your opinions for why they lost. I can simply say Cowher knew the conditions he coached under. He knew free agents wouldnt be signed why wasnt there replacements there ready to go to replace those guys? Like a merry go round we can go around and around with this crap. Like i said before all coaches coach under different circumstances. Dont make excuses for one and then refute all others for another. Fact is their records are identical. They have both won one super bowl and lost one. How much more equal can you get?
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They could be more equal if one had a franchise QB his entire tenure. They could be more equal if one coached when he wasn't losing FAs every year. They could be more equal if Heinz field had been built in 1992. Lots of reason why they aren't equal. But you can't handle that. You think they are identical situations when the fact of the matter is they weren't the same and aren't the same now. Why can't I compare him to Barry Switzer? They are more comparable. Both took over a SB winning team and won a SB with another coaches talent. As the previous coaches talent left the team started going down hill. Both had franchise QBs in their prime. The only difference is the Steelers have kept Tomlin on longer. Switzer has a better W/L record and a better playoff record.

It's laughable that you think Cowher and Tomlin are identical.
 
Smh I already said they coached under different circumstances. A zillion times. The difference is this. You want excuse Cowher for not having this or that. Free agents leaving. Stadium issues. Thats fine, the problem for me is this. If the Tomlin had the same issues most would say well he has had 8 years to find a QB just like they say he has had 8 years to replace Cowher players. You want to say Franchise QBs are hard to get well so is players like Casey Hampton, Aaron Smith, Joey Porter etc.. We all knew when a player like Chad Brown became good that we would likely lose him. If we did Im sure Cowher did too. So why wasnt a replacement ready to take his place. Why because it isnt easy to replace these players it wasnt then it isnt now. Dont make excuses for one and not the other. Different circumstances yes same results yes. Different excuses smh no.
 
Vader said:
Tell me what I said that wasn't a fact. You can't. You just want more excuses for your boy Tomlin.
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Listen, I'm as pissed off as I've been as a Steeler fan this week, but if it's excuses for one, it's excuses for the other also. Billy had his share of issues, so does Mike, different issues, granted, but they are there and if one coach gets to piss and moan that it was free agency and lack of a cushy stadium, then the other can whine that it's players getting older, injuries, extending guys past their prime, etc. If it's no excuses, it's no excuses period.

Joe
 
antdrewjosh said:
Smh I already said they coached under different circumstances. A zillion times. The difference is this. You want excuse Cowher for not having this or that. Free agents leaving. Stadium issues. Thats fine, the problem for me is this. If the Tomlin had the same issues most would say well he has had 8 years to find a QB just like they say he has had 8 years to replace Cowher players. You want to say Franchise QBs are hard to get well so is players like Casey Hampton, Aaron Smith, Joey Porter etc.. We all knew when a player like Chad Brown became good that we would likely lose him. If we did Im sure Cowher did too. So why wasnt a replacement ready to take his place. Why because it isnt easy to replace these players it wasnt then it isnt now. Dont make excuses for one and not the other. Different circumstances yes same results yes. Different excuses smh no.
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Oh bullshit. Talk about opinions. Your OPINION is that IF Tomlin had these issues. Well he doesn't and has never had those issues. So that is moot. You think the standard time for players leaving is exactly the same as replacing players every ******* year? You can't be this obtuse. Cowher was having to replace players every ******* year. Tomlin had the SAME ******* team for years. He won a SB with 10 out of 11 of Cowher's players on defense. So don't give me "they both had to replace player's" BS. It isn't the same at all.

Tomlin has had 8 years to replace Cowher's talent and he has failed miserable. Most of Cowher's talent retired during Tomlin's term. He wasn't having to replace FAs that he couldn't afford. Huge ******* difference. Hell, Tomlin doesn't even want his own draft picks. He let Lewis leave without even talking to him. Mendy was such a head case they let him walk. Yes, players like Cowher drafted are hard to find. Tomlin has had 8 years and hasn't found ONE of them. Some how Cowher drafted Smith, Ward, Faneca, Hampton, Ben, ETC... but in 8 years Tomlin can't find ONE of them.
 
t-man said:
Listen, I'm as pissed off as I've been as a Steeler fan this week, but if it's excuses for one, it's excuses for the other also. Billy had his share of issues, so does Mike, different issues, granted, but they are there and if one coach gets to piss and moan that it was free agency and lack of a cushy stadium, then the other can whine that it's players getting older, injuries, extending guys past their prime, etc. If it's no excuses, it's no excuses period.

Joe
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So Tomlin can use the same excuse that he didn't have Heinz field? Oh wait, he can't. Saying they are the same is just ignorant. What "issues" has Tomlin faced? All coaches face having older players, injuries etc.. but nobody made that excuse for Cowher. But few coaches have funding issues where they are losing players every year. Tomlin sure as hell hasn't had that issue.

Also Cowher was never excused. He did the best with what he had. Tomlin has sucked with a lot more talent.
 
It's amusing that back to back 8-8 seasons, current .500 record and no playoff victories in 4 years equals "not loosing" to some.

I think Bill needs to change his last name to Bush.
 
Vader said:
Oh bullshit. Talk about opinions. Your OPINION is that IF Tomlin had these issues. Well he doesn't and has never had those issues. So that is moot. You think the standard time for players leaving is exactly the same as replacing players every ******* year? You can't be this obtuse. Cowher was having to replace players every ******* year. Tomlin had the SAME ******* team for years. He won a SB with 10 out of 11 of Cowher's players on defense. So don't give me "they both had to replace player's" BS. It isn't the same at all.

Tomlin has had 8 years to replace Cowher's talent and he has failed miserable. Most of Cowher's talent retired during Tomlin's term. He wasn't having to replace FAs that he couldn't afford. Huge ******* difference. Hell, Tomlin doesn't even want his own draft picks. He let Lewis leave without even talking to him. Mendy was such a head case they let him walk. Yes, players like Cowher drafted are hard to find. Tomlin has had 8 years and hasn't found ONE of them. Some how Cowher drafted Smith, Ward, Faneca, Hampton, Ben, ETC... but in 8 years Tomlin can't find ONE of them.
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Never mind Vader Im not being obtuse that's you. My point is the same as its always been if there are no excuses for one there is no excuses for the other. I would go into it more but for what? Im getting off the Merry Go Round its making me sick. Smdh.
 
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antdrewjosh said:
Never mind Vader Im not being obtuse that's you. My point is the same as its always been if there are no excuses for one there is no excuses for the other. I would go into more but for what? Im getting off the Merry Go Round its making me sick. Smdh.
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So no excuses. Why can't Tomlin find the talent that Cowher did? Where are the Smith, Ward, Hampton, Faneca, Porter, Kirkland, etc... NO excuses where are they?
 
We have some guys on the team who could i could compare to some of those players. But they are young and we are still waiting on them to develop. Just like Cowher did during his down years. Probably the only one out of that bunch we dont possibly have is Hampton and Im sorry Porter too. Which is the key to damn near to everything.

Now let me ask this if there were as many 3-4 teams when Hampton was coming out would Hampton have lasted til the Steelers like he did then?
 
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antdrewjosh said:
We have some guys on the team who could i could compare to some of those players. But they are young and we are still waiting on them to develop. Just like Cowher did during his down years. Probably the only one out of that bunch we dont possibly have is Hampton. Which is the key to damn near to everything.

Now let me ask this if there were as many 3-4 teams when Hampton was coming out would Hampton have lasted til the Steelers like he did then?
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"Too young" is an excuse. Number of 3-4 teams is an excuse. No excuses. Where are they?
 
Vader said:
"Too young" is an excuse. Number of 3-4 teams is an excuse. No excuses. Where are they?
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Your making my point for me im not offering excuses for one and dismissing everything for the other thats you. You're lumping me as Tomlin lover and Cowher hater. Thats you. Once again my point is no excuses for one and not the other. If you cant see thats my point i cant help you. I understand what Cowher had to go thru. My isssue has always been Cowher was able to replenish his teams by going 7-9 6-10 and 6-10 and keep his job. Tomlin goes 8-8 and some want him gone.
 
And I already know whats coming he has Ben. The Franchise QB who is always the best player on the field and covers up all other shortcomings.
 
Vader said:
So no excuses. Why can't Tomlin find the talent that Cowher did? Where are the Smith, Ward, Hampton, Faneca, Porter, Kirkland, etc... NO excuses where are they?
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On the Seahawks' and Niners' rosters ;)
 
antdrewjosh said:
Your making my point for me im not offering excuses for one and dismissing everything for the other thats you. You're lumping me as Tomlin lover and Cowher hater. Thats you. Once again my point is no excuses for one and not the other. If you cant see thats my point i cant help you. I understand what Cowher had to go thru. My isssue has always been Cowher was able to replenish his teams by going 7-9 6-10 and 6-10 and keep his job. Tomlin goes 8-8 and some want him gone.
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No you're making my point for me. I don't want excuse from either one. Tomlin has already gone 8-8, 8-8, and 9-7. Where are the player? Cowher drafted Hampton 19th overall. He picked Chad Brown 23rd in the 2nd round. He picked Faneca 26th. Ward was in the same draft in the 4th round. Miller was 30th. So it isn't just the down years. Where are the players? No excuses.
 
You dont want excuses for neither but you provide a **** ton for one.

To me Brown=Ward
Woodley=Chad Brown
Decastro or Pouncey=Faneca
Tuitt=Aaron Smith from his coaches mouths

Also if you dont think 6-10 and 7-9 dont make much difference as far as draft spots go then you're being obtuse as you say. Also in perception because if Tomlin went 6-10 this board will go down.

As far as Hampton goes... Has there been an oppurtunity to draft someone like that we missed on. Because when i ask you why didnt Cowher draft his Franchise QB sooner this is what you tell me. When did he have an oppurtunity to do so before Ben. To me 3-4 NT like Hampton are just as rare as Franchise QBs.
 
antdrewjosh said:
You dont want excuses for neither but you provide a **** ton for one.

To me Brown=Ward
Woodley=Chad Brown
Decastro or Pouncey=Faneca
Tuitt=Aaron Smith from his coaches mouths

Also if you dont think 6-10 and 7-9 dont make much difference as far as draft spots go then you're being obtuse as you say. Also in perception because if Tomlin went 6-10 this board will go down.

As far as Hampton goes... Has there been an oppurtunity to draft someone like that we missed on. Because when i ask you why didnt Cowher draft his Franchise QB sooner this is what you tell me. When did he have an oppurtunity to do so before Ben. To me 3-4 NT like Hampton are just as rare as Franchise QBs.
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More excuses for your boy. Brown isn't Ward, Woodley was kicked to the curb and didn't leave via FA as a highly paid FA. DeCastro and Pouncey haven't done **** and both were picked ahead of where Faneca was picked. The coaches also said that Hood had no holes. I don't give a **** what they say about their players. They aren't telling the truth. Tuitt can't touch Smith's jock. But keep grasping at straws.

The rest of your post is more "IF's" from a guy that wants no excuses. You just want excuses for Tomlin. I don't care about Cowher not taking a QB or Tomlin not taking a NT. I want players at any position on this team NOW that resemble the players Cowher had. Show me the Troy's, Ben's, Hampton's etc... You can't. You want to use the "they're too young" excuse for Tomlin.
 
Vader said:
More excuses for your boy. Brown isn't Ward, Woodley was kicked to the curb and didn't leave via FA as a highly paid FA. DeCastro and Pouncey haven't done **** and both were picked ahead of where Faneca was picked. The coaches also said that Hood had no holes. I don't give a **** what they say about their players. They aren't telling the truth. Tuitt can't touch Smith's jock. But keep grasping at straws.

The rest of your post is more "IF's" from a guy that wants no excuses. You just want excuses for Tomlin. I don't care about Cowher not taking a QB or Tomlin not taking a NT. I want players at any position on this team NOW that resemble the players Cowher had. Show me the Troy's, Ben's, Hampton's etc... You can't. You want to use the "they're too young" excuse for Tomlin.
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See this is where your whole point falls apart you're so busy trying to paint me as a Tomlin lover. Smh. When fact is I liked both.

Brown isnt as productive as Ward? At the same point in their careers? Really?

Woodley wasnt as productive as Chad Brown was?

You're looking at Faneca whole career and comparing it to Decastro and Pouncey. Lol now you want to compare where they were drafted?.Because it suits YOUR argument. But when I say Cowher benefited from his years of going 6-10 its no way.

Cowher got the job in 92 WHY WASNT THERE REPLACEMENTS IN PLACE TO PREVENT THE LOSINGS SEASONS OF 97 and 98. NO EXCUSES. 2003 the staduim was built WHY DID WE GO 6-10 NO EXCUSES. See we can do this all day. Smh.

I see young talent on this team. And just like there was in 98 99 00 03. We had to wait til that talent developed just like we are now.
 
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antdrewjosh said:
See this is where your whole point falls apart you're so busy trying to paint me as a Tomlin lover. Smh. When fact is I liked both.

Brown isnt as productive as Ward? At the same point in their careers? Really?

Woodley wasnt as productive as Chad Brown was?

You're looking at Faneca whole career and comparing it to Decastro and Pouncey. Lol now you want to compare where they were drafted?.Because it suits YOUR argument. But when I say Cowher benefited from his years of going 6-10 its no way.

Cowher got the job in 92 WHY WASNT THERE REPLACEMENTS IN PLACE TO PREVENT THE LOSINGS SEASONS OF 97 and 98. NO EXCUSES. 2003 the staduim was built WHY DID WE GO 6-10 NO EXCUSES. See we can do this all day. Smh.

I see young talent on this team. And just like there was in 98 99 00 03. We had to wait til that talent developed just like we are now.
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You say you don't want excuses but that's all you want to talk about. Excuses. You want to compare Tomlin to Cowher in areas that make Tomlin look good. Even if I answer your questions as to why Cowher had down years you'll say "NO EXCUSES". But you can use your excuses "Too young" all day long. Cowher lost his talent due to FA. Tomlin has NOT. Cowher couldn't afford to keep them. Tomlin can and has.

Brown played 15 years. Made the pro-bowl 3 times and made All-pro twice. He played in over 180 games with 79 sacks from the ILB position, 17 forced fum., with 6 interceptions.
Woodley has played 8 years, no pro-bowls. Played in 99 games 57 sacks from the OLB position, 9 forced fum., 5 interceptions.

Yea, they are almost identical....
 
I'd like a coach who:
The players respect
Is a hard-nosed son of a ***** at times, but also can be critically understanding
Can SEE talent
Can coach up players to maximize their potential
He doesn't have to be a genius at Xs and Os, but should be intelligent enough to see trends and make adjustments
Understands time-out usage along with challenges
Will not deviate away from something that is working just to show how smart he is
 
antdrewjosh said:
We have some guys on the team who could i could compare to some of those players. But they are young and we are still waiting on them to develop. Just like Cowher did during his down years. Probably the only one out of that bunch we dont possibly have is Hampton and Im sorry Porter too. Which is the key to damn near to everything.

Now let me ask this if there were as many 3-4 teams when Hampton was coming out would Hampton have lasted til the Steelers like he did then?
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like who? Tomlin is unlikely to loose free agents as everyone else can tell his draft picks have stunk and he even thinks so, we have two drafts with no one still on the team. How many times has the league sent an apology to tomlin for blowing a game changing call? Cowhers teams got six in a season. Cowher rebuilt a team twice and went to superbowls on two occasions. Cowher also had teams that likely should have won more if it was not for spy gate. Cowher was in the playoffs his first six seasons. MT has been here how many years and in the playoffs how many times?
 
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