Highly unlikely, but would you welcome Cowher back to the Steelers?

[Wingman]

I'd like a coach who:
The players respect
Is a hard-nosed son of a ***** at times, but also can be critically understanding
Can SEE talent
Can coach up players to maximize their potential
He doesn't have to be a genius at Xs and Os, but should be intelligent enough to see trends and make adjustments
Understands time-out usage along with challenges
Will not deviate away from something that is working just to show how smart he is

That does not sound like MT at all.

 

[Steel G]

Cowher's era and Tomlin's era are not really relatable. Cowher had success under two different "GMs" with multiple QBs. Hell, he had two different team presidents. He took over a team that had one playoff season in 7 years. Tomlin took over a team one year removed from a SB title. I don't want to totally crush Tomlin, he did get the team back to two more SBs, though the argument could be made that the players he brought in to help have had nowhere near the contribution that Cowher's guys did in those two other SBs. This is Tomlin's down turn, we'll see how he gets out of it. From what I'm seeing right now, I don't have much faith. It's been a long time since I've seen a Steeler team just totally wilt and essentially give up in a second half like they did in Cleveland. As the saying goes, that **** ain't right.

 

[Vader]

I've never called for him to be fired. If Rooney wants to give him 3 more years then fine. Let him hire and fire at will. Give him 100% control over everything from the janitors to the players. Just stop giving me the "Well the HC isn't really in charge of anything. His only real job is to give press conference". No coach in any sport in any league is given that little responsibility. Give him a few years. He doesn't have to look for a QB so he is well ahead of the game.

 

[Acereros]

I haven't, for the reason that the same arguments are made over and over and over again.

Anybody who has been a fan of this team for more than 10 years knows that Cowher has had his share of stinker games and seasons. His biggest knocks were that he wasn't an X's and O's guy and that he pulled a Schottenheimer in the playoffs. This board started right around when we stunk and the "Fire Cowher" posts were running rampant. Now everyone wants him back.

Like I've said 1,000 times, the Steelers are the most successful franchise in NFL history and have always been owned by the Rooney's. So, if they want Tomlin around, I'll support their decision.

I was one of Cowher's critics all those painful years before 2004. However, I don't see everyone wanting Cowher back, some yes, but everybody is just not true. What it is true is that Cowher, even at this state in his life, would be a massive improvement over Tomlin. Not saying I want him back, just stating what I believe is true.

 

[Acereros]

We have some guys on the team who could i could compare to some of those players. But they are young and we are still waiting on them to develop. Just like Cowher did during his down years. Probably the only one out of that bunch we dont possibly have is Hampton and Im sorry Porter too. Which is the key to damn near to everything.

Now let me ask this if there were as many 3-4 teams when Hampton was coming out would Hampton have lasted til the Steelers like he did then?

We have some young guys on the team could i could compare to some of those players.
Please enlighten us.

Besides, I thought that Tomlin had been drafting for the Steelers for 8 years. I may be wrong, but have not seen many results. Perhaps you could also share some light in here.

 

[Omar10213245]

And how did the 49ers and Seahawks get into position to get these players???

Well, they sucked *** until they hired competent staffs that could develop those squads into what they currently are. Crazy, right??

 

[antdrewjosh]

Well, they sucked *** until they hired competent staffs that could develop those squads into what they currently are. Crazy, right??

Yeah cause they staffs they had are comparable to the staff we have in place right now.

 

[Omar10213245]

Yeah cause they staffs they had are comparable to the staff we have in place right now.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree, my friend. Your contentions are ridiculous to me, and my ideas on the ails of this team don't seem to jive with your world. Whatever.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Cowher had his flaws. Who the hell here is saying he didn't?

I criticized Cowher to certain degrees, but it is obvious to me that he was freaking Lombardi compared to Tomlin.

Has this recent stretch against Buccaneers, Jaguars and Browns not even remotely swayed most of you who have been "on the fence" pertaining to Tomlin?

At least Cowher seemed to have a good eye for talent and a feel for the pulse of his team.

Tomlin consistently seems lost, seemingly throwing a dart at a board to find answers and publicly blaming his race and age for the criticism he has received.

I would MUCH rather find someone else, but if I HAD to choose between Tomlin and Cowher, it would EASILY be Cowher. There would be absolutely no hesitation in the decision.

As I've said before, I'd love to have Cowher back in a GM capacity, but that isn't happening with Art II running things.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Cowher had a stretch where he missed the playoffs 3 straight years, but in that 3rd year, they went 9-7 and the team was on the rise again.

I think Tomlin will get another year unless the steelers finish below .500 and look bad doing it.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Cowher had a stretch where he missed the playoffs 3 straight years, but in that 3rd year, they went 9-7 and the team was on the rise again.

I think Tomlin will get another year unless the steelers finish below .500 and look bad doing it.

As mentioned Cool Shades and The Chin have identical records after this same point in their careers. The difference is that Chin's teams were improving, arrow pointing up if you will, while Cool Shades' arrow is pointing down if you will, obviously.

 

[slashsteel]

As mentioned Cool Shades and The Chin have identical records after this same point in their careers. The difference is that Chin's teams were improving, arrow pointing up if you will, while Cool Shades' arrow is pointing down if you will, obviously.

no way I want that dude coaching our team going forward. Year after year of embarrassing football?

no thank you. That arrow is definitely pointing down. Like a plane plummeting to earth.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I'd take Cowher as a GM but it's a moot point since I don't think he's leaving the TV studio.

 

[slashsteel]

I'd take Cowher as a GM but it's a moot point since I don't think he's leaving the TV studio.

studio gig brings in cash flow and is less stressful.

I think coaching is for the young and upcoming

I would like to see the Steelers pluck a hungry NFL defensive coordinator up . One with a track record of success.............

 

[Idioteque]

Smh I already said they coached under different circumstances. A zillion times. The difference is this. You want excuse Cowher for not having this or that. Free agents leaving. Stadium issues. Thats fine, the problem for me is this. If the Tomlin had the same issues most would say well he has had 8 years to find a QB just like they say he has had 8 years to replace Cowher players. You want to say Franchise QBs are hard to get well so is players like Casey Hampton, Aaron Smith, Joey Porter etc.. We all knew when a player like Chad Brown became good that we would likely lose him. If we did Im sure Cowher did too. So why wasnt a replacement ready to take his place. Why because it isnt easy to replace these players it wasnt then it isnt now. Dont make excuses for one and not the other. Different circumstances yes same results yes. Different excuses smh no.

But Cowher's teams excelled without a franchise QB. Tomlin's teams struggle mightily with one.

 

[Wingman]

Where's that damned one armed **** flinging monkey, I would take him over MT head right now. Don't care who you want to pick for the next one he will likely be better than what we have now, and I truly think so. I have seen nothing from MT in the last eight years that make me think he has any more understanding of this game than your average drunken soccer mom. I have never heard so many excuses for a head coach in my life by those that try to justify his being a head coach in the first place. I really think he was chosen so the Rooney's could try and train him to be what they thought the ideal coach should be, either he can't be trained because he just does not have what it takes or the Rooney's don't know what an ideal head coach should be.

 

[jitter77]

Where's that damned one armed **** flinging monkey, I would take him over MT head right now. Don't care who you want to pick for the next one he will likely be better than what we have now, and I truly think so. I have seen nothing from MT in the last eight years that make me think he has any more understanding of this game than your average drunken soccer mom. I have never heard so many excuses for a head coach in my life by those that try to justify his being a head coach in the first place. I really think he was chosen so the Rooney's could try and train him to be what they thought the ideal coach should be, either he can't be trained because he just does not have what it takes or the Rooney's don't know what an ideal head coach should be.

Exactly...... People say give him a few more years, but when is enough enough. We are going down not up and don't see any fixes being made. He is i think the 4th most tenured coach in the league right now. He has had ample time to show what he can't do. You could take a press conference from 3 years ago insert it after the game Monday and i bet no one would know the difference. I am sure this team had more talent than we are showing.

 

[Brian M]

Exactly...... People say give him a few more years, but when is enough enough. We are going down not up and don't see any fixes being made. He is i think the 4th most tenured coach in the league right now. He has had ample time to show what he can't do. You could take a press conference from 3 years ago insert it after the game Monday and i bet no one would know the difference. I am sure this team had more talent than we are showing.

The most depressing thing about the Steelers is they are a mess from the top down. A change in coaching staff just doesn't seem like enough. They're handing out HUGE contracts to backups. They are tagging guys who don't deserve to be tagged. The Steelers didn't used to do these types of things. This is Browns level dysfunction.

 

[Vader]

But Cowher's teams excelled without a franchise QB. Tomlin's teams struggle mightily with one.

But that's an excuse. It's Cowher's fault that most of his core players couldn't play 15 years under Tomlin. Damn Cowher ******* everything up.

On a serious note, I remember when people were scared shitless when they thought Cowher might come back and coach the clowns. Anybody here worried about Tomlin coaching them or any other team in the league? I sure as hell ain't.

 

[jitter77]

The most depressing thing about the Steelers is they are a mess from the top down. A change in coaching staff just doesn't seem like enough. They're handing out HUGE contracts to backups. They are tagging guys who don't deserve to be tagged. The Steelers didn't used to do these types of things. This is Browns level dysfunction.

True... Think it all starts with drafting. They missed on several spots and had to hand out tags /contacts out of need and we still have no depth and good starters to show for it...

 

[antdrewjosh]

Dan Marino says hi. Since all you need is a franchise guy to be succsessful. I bet he is home right now polishing all those super bowl rings.

 

[diver]

But Cowher's teams excelled without a franchise QB. Tomlin's teams struggle mightily with one.

Ben isn't a franchise QB. One of the big lies out there that keeps getting tossed about is that he is. He is not. A very good QB, but not franchise.

So you combine bad coaching with the fact that we do not have at QB what lot of people think we have, and you see this mess.

They stink. I could handle stink. They cannot be good every year. It is stink combined with stupid that I cannot tolerate. What they do just makes no damn sense.

 

[Idioteque]

No, you need more than that, though congrats on finding one of the VERY few examples. Sadly, Tomlin has been thoroughly incapable of finding the other pieces a team needs.

Wait.. I forgot.. we have the next Aaron Smith and Troy and so on already on roster, they're just too young. LOL

 

[antdrewjosh]

Listen, I'm as pissed off as I've been as a Steeler fan this week, but if it's excuses for one, it's excuses for the other also. Billy had his share of issues, so does Mike, different issues, granted, but they are there and if one coach gets to piss and moan that it was free agency and lack of a cushy stadium, then the other can whine that it's players getting older, injuries, extending guys past their prime, etc. If it's no excuses, it's no excuses period.

Joe

Obviously the only one paying attention to anything i tried to say. Either they both get excuses or they both dont. One doesnt get reasons and the other excuses.. not how it works. Except for this board. I understood the conditions Cowher worked under. So therefore i wasnt calling for his head like alot on this board were. Those reasons werent valid then why are they now? Thats my point about Cowher.

Tomlin has had his own things to contend with. He is dealing with them. Great players arent easy to replace. **** it took us til Ben to replace Bradshaw. I say lets see what happens just like we allowed Cowher to find his way when he faced adversity. Tomlin hasnt drafted well. I would like to see if he drafts better if he had higher picks to work with like Cowher did. At the same time i dont want to go 6-10 7-9 either. So here we are average and waiting on some young guys to possibly step up.

 

[antdrewjosh]

No, you need more than that, though congrats on finding one of the VERY few examples. Sadly, Tomlin has been thoroughly incapable of finding the other pieces a team needs.

Wait.. I forgot.. we have the next Aaron Smith and Troy and so on already on roster, they're just too young. LOL

Where did i compare anyone to Troy? Tuitt was compared to Smith by his coaches. Sorry i will trust Mitchell and Lebeau word at it. They maybe wrong but i like to think positive. Not negative about every damn thing. Thats just me though.