Highly unlikely, but would you welcome Cowher back to the Steelers?

[antdrewjosh]

Cowher had 6 straight playoff seasons so he was picking late every year, Tomlin with his ****** coaching has missed the playoffs 3 times in 7 years and has gotten high first round picks which of course he has shitted the bed on. Oh and of course Cowher had a GM that drafted the worthless Troy Edwards instead pf Jevon Kearse like Cowher wanted. Only you can sit here and stupidly say that Tomlin has drafted well.

By the way, what is the ONE coaching move in 8 years that is above average?

So Tomlin has drafted high? Seriously. And where did I ever say he has drafted well. I havent. Like i keep saying and its the only reason i continue to debate Cowher vs Tomlin. Dont make excuses for one and hold the other one over the coals. Like I said over and over I loved Bill Cowher.

 

[SteelerFan448]

What does Cowher have to do with the 2014 Steelers team? What the Steelers record was between 1998-2000 is pretty meaningless in the mediocrity that they are entrenched in right now.

 

[antdrewjosh]

What does Cowher have to do with the 2014 Steelers team? What the Steelers record was between 1998-2000 is pretty meaningless in the mediocrity that they are entrenched in right now.

Once again what is the topic of the thread you are posting in smh

 

[JJ_Steel]

What does Cowher have to do with the 2014 Steelers team? What the Steelers record was between 1998-2000 is pretty meaningless in the mediocrity that they are entrenched in right now.

Because tomlin's lover antdrewjosh can't defend Tomlin's awful coaching so he points to a superior coach's down period to try and buy time for the idiot Tomlin.

 

[JJ_Steel]

What does Cowher have to do with the 2014 Steelers team? What the Steelers record was between 1998-2000 is pretty meaningless in the mediocrity that they are entrenched in right now.

Cowher did ACCURATELY call the 2014 Steelers soft and finesses, got on Tomlin lovers last nerve.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Once again what is the topic of the thread you are posting in smh

Taking Cowher back as a head coach is one thing. Using Cowher's team from over a decade ago to support Tomlin's performance as a head coach is different.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Because tomlin's lover antdrewjosh can't defend Tomlin's awful coaching so he points to a superior coach's down period to try and buy time for the idiot Tomlin.

Yet the awful guy still hasnt reached as low as 6-10. Oh i forgot we have Ben. Who is absolutely lights out every week.

 

[Acereros]

What is the topic of this thread try again

This thread OK, but what about the other threads, normally Tomlin bashing threads, where you keep preaching the same arguments? You never acknowledge Cowher's success in rebuilding this team, more than once, after the free agency and lack of funds hit us so badly, as well as the legacy he left when he retired, a SB winning team capable of keep on winning, even with Barry Switzer (or the likes) at the helm. And more importantly, you still avoid the most important question:

What would you say Tomlin brings to the Steelers that justify giving him more time to turn things around?

 

[JJ_Steel]

Yet the awful guy still hasnt reached as low as 6-10. Oh i forgot we have Ben. Who is absolutely lights out every week.

Even someone as stupid as you knows Ben is worth at least 2 games a year over Kordell.

We would have been better off poing 6-10 the last 2 years for draft position but hey your boy is missing the playoffs for the 3rd straight year and hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Even someone as stupid as you knows Ben is worth at least 2 games a year over Kordell.

We would have been better off poing 6-10 the last 2 years for draft position but hey your boy is missing the playoffs for the 3rd straight year and hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years.

Who drafted and started Kordell?

 

[Wingman]

So when we went 6-10 and 7-9 back to back Cowher was mediocre and his arrow was pointing down also correct? He had lost his team too?

you mean after being in the playoffs six straight years, a feat only done by one other coach.

 

[antdrewjosh]

This thread OK, but what about the other threads, normally Tomlin bashing threads, where you keep preaching the same arguments? You never acknowledge Cowher's success in rebuilding this team, more than once, after the free agency and lack of funds hit us so badly, as well as the legacy he left when he retired, a SB winning team capable of keep on winning, even with Barry Switzer (or the likes) at the helm. And more importantly, you still avoid the most important question:

What would you say Tomlin brings to the Steelers that justify giving him more time to turn things around?

I dont have to acknowledge it. Know why cause i understood it then. I wasnt on here saying Cowher had to go. If you were here then or read then this board you know this to be true. But now its different. Now those very same reasons that were known then are considered good excuses now. Why were there calls for his head then if those were ligitimate reasons then? Thats what im asking?

Also that is your opinion that ANYONE could have coached the Cowboys of the 90s and the Steelers after Cowher left to Super Bowls. Not mine.

And i will keep it quite simple as to why he should be given time. He has been to two super bowls and his first losing season will be his first.

 

[antdrewjosh]

you mean after being in the playoffs six straight years, a feat only done by one other coach.

So why were there calls for his head then?

 

[Wingman]

And to answer the thread Yes Bill Cowher would be welcomed back to the steelers if it was up to me. To compare coaches based on records is not a reasonable comparison. One needs to look at the decisions they made while coaches and events that took place while they were coaches.

Things of note for BC just from memory

Stuffing a picture into a zebras pocket that proves they did not have too many men on the field. Not only did he have good awareness of what was going on in the game but had his staff on the ball as well.

having received six letters of apology from the league for bad calls in one season.

Successfully wining a power struggle between the GM and head coach that resulted in the latter being sent packing.

Remaining a competitive team while going through the spy gate era and likely being cheated out of more championship opportunities.

Trading a draft pick for Jerome Bettis

getting Wayne Gandy a very good left tackle

Not running the wheels off of your best running back

Being able to have the zebras standing by so a time out could be called in order to maximize the time on the game clock.

I'm sure there are more.

I'm still trying to think of something of note for MT head it might be no that's not it ahhh, unleash no, turn over no, Pick Jarvis Jones ah no, Franchise worilds ahh no. Ok I got nothing.

 

[Wingman]

So why were there calls for his head then?

I have no idea why other folks have the opinions they do, just as I have no idea why you think so much of Tomlin and do not see the situational differences. I see a coach that looks clueless and acts that way, you see coach cool shades and think he is as good as the last guy.

 

[Idioteque]

Also that is your opinion that ANYONE could have coached the Cowboys of the 90s and the Steelers after Cowher left to Super Bowls. Not mine.

Of course it's not, because Tomlin can do no wrong. You still don't provide any examples of things he does well beyond catchphrase-inventing.

And i will keep it quite simple as to why he should be given time. He has been to two super bowls

And those just grandfather him in for life, right? Besides, that's not an answer to the question. You weren't asked, "What did the team do under Tomlin several years ago?" You were asked, "What does Tomlin bring to the Steelers?"

and his first losing season will be his first.

That's a matter of expectations. To you, an 8-8 season is "non-losing" so it's a-OK. If we go 8-8 the next five years, you'll still be crowing about "no losing seasons!!"

My expectations are higher. To me, missing the playoffs is a poor season. Losing to Tim Tebow is a ****** ending to a season. You're fine with those outcomes, though. Hell, even this season must be a rousing success in your eyes, since we're a studly 3-3.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Im fine with it huh? No Im just realistic. Just like I was realistic about Cowher. Fine with it smh. Tell that to my family and friends who know not to call me when we lose..

 

[Acereros]

I dont have to acknowledge it. Know why cause i understood it then. I wasnt on here saying Cowher had to go. If you were here then or read then this board you know this to be true. But now its different. Now those very same reasons that were known then are considered good excuses now. Why were there calls for his head then if those were ligitimate reasons then? Thats what im asking?

Also that is your opinion that ANYONE could have coached the Cowboys of the 90s and the Steelers after Cowher left to Super Bowls. Not mine.

And i will keep it quite simple as to why he should be given time. He has been to two super bowls and his first losing season will be his first.

After having inherited a SB calibre team, these are three facts of Tomlin's reign that show the 'arrow pointing down' trend that should be sounding alarm bells to the ownership:
1) The Steelers have made the play-offs 4 out of 7 times
2) They won at least a play-off game in TWO seasons only
3) As the core of players Tomlin inherited have grown older or left, the Steelers have not won a play-off game since 2010

Another question for you. How much time do you think the Rooneys should give Tomlin to put things right?

 

[antdrewjosh]

If he happens to have high draft choices and the choices dont pan out he should be fired. I have said this before. You cant lose then blow the picks.

 

[diver]

Ant, I admire your willingness to give Tomlin the benefit of the doubt. I was in that league until recently. I said it in a previous post, I can handle stink, and they stink. You can't be SB caliber every year. It is the stupid and stink that is killing me.

What I mean by stupid is the inside the 20 calls against Jacksonville and then what you saw against Cleveland. This after they seemed to find something against Carolina. Where are the adults in the room? Seems like they reacted to criticism from Jax. to Cleveland, which means they are listening to it. Which means they are not really committed to anything they are doing, if you can be influenced that easily.

 

[Idioteque]

Im fine with it huh? No Im just realistic. Just like I was realistic about Cowher. Fine with it smh. Tell that to my family and friends who know not to call me when we lose..

??

You just listed "no losing seasons" as a positive on Tomlin's resume. Clearly you think an 8-8 season is not a problem.

 

[Idioteque]

If he happens to have high draft choices and the choices dont pan out he should be fired. I have said this before. You cant lose then blow the picks.

So he has no responsibility to add good players as long as he's picking in the middle rounds? Once you get past #14 or so, the picks don't count against your record? Ay yi yi.

Lots of teams out there who pick low every year but stay competitive. Hell, the Patriots have become a poor drafting team - I can't remember the last time they picked before the 20s - but STILL compete for a Super Bowl every year.

 

[antdrewjosh]

??

You just listed "no losing seasons" as a positive on Tomlin's resume. Clearly you think an 8-8 season is not a problem.

Clearly i do. I have no problem with it. I hope we go 8-8 for the rest of eternity.

 

[antdrewjosh]

So he has no responsibility to add good players as long as he's picking in the middle rounds? Once you get past #14 or so, the picks don't count against your record? Ay yi yi.

Lots of teams out there who pick low every year but stay competitive. Hell, the Patriots have become a poor drafting team - I can't remember the last time they picked before the 20s - but STILL compete for a Super Bowl every year.

Where did i say he no responsibility for his previous drafts. I will say its harder to find quality players the lower you pick. Otherwise we wouldnt have some members of this board advocating losing games to pick higher. The blown picks we missed has us here average. Blown picks in the top ten will have you in the top ten consistently and out of a job.

You know you can make a point with out twisting every word someone says.

The Patriots are an exception. Why i dont know how how they do it wish i did.

 

[Idioteque]

Clearly i do. I have no problem with it. I hope we go 8-8 for the rest of eternity.

You JUST told us all that Tomlin's lack of a losing season is a good thing.