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Highly unlikely, but would you welcome Cowher back to the Steelers?

antdrewjosh said:
Where did i compare anyone to Troy? Tuitt was compared to Smith by his coaches. Sorry i will trust Mitchell and Lebeau word at it. They maybe wrong but i like to think positive. Not negative about every damn thing. Thats just me though.
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Wanting to see more from David DeCastro before saying he "compares to Alan Faneca" isn't being negative about every damn thing.

Saying "we have guys comparable to Aaron, Faneca, Kirkland, etc. - they're just too young right now!!" isn't thinking positive. It's just assuming that every promising young player is going to be a HOF-caliber player.

Yes, we know, you swallow every syllable from coach interviews/press conferences. Tomlin once said Ziggy Hood was a stud with no holes in his game. The coaches/FO made Sweed, Worilds, Bruce Davis, etc. high draft picks so I don't suck down everything they say as reality.
 
Idioteque said:
Wanting to see more from David DeCastro before saying he "compares to Alan Faneca" isn't being negative about every damn thing.

Saying "we have guys comparable to Aaron, Faneca, Kirkland, etc. - they're just too young right now!!" isn't thinking positive. It's just assuming that every promising young player is going to be a HOF-caliber player.

Yes, we know, you swallow every syllable from coach interviews/press conferences. Tomlin once said Ziggy Hood was a stud with no holes in his game. The coaches/FO made Sweed, Worilds, Bruce Davis, etc. high draft picks so I don't suck down everything they say as reality.
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See thats where your wrong i didnt say for their whole career. Did I? I said at the same points in their careers. Pouncey and Decastro are comparable to Faneca. I didnt compare anyone on the roster to Kirkland try again. Tomlin said that. Mitchell and Lebeau did not.
 
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Tomlin does not deserve more time to try and turn it around. He has not proven to be able to draft or to coach up players. Cowher took over a bad team and made 6 straight playoff appearances with mediocre QBs while Tomlin took over a team 1 year removed from a Super Bpwl win and a franchise QB and has misses the playoffs 3 times in 7 years, soon to be 4 in 8 years. We have seen enough of his stupidity, terrible game day coaching, no in game adjustments and awful drafting. He has always been in over his head but now does not have the veteran players in their primes to cover up all his deficiencies.
 
antdrewjosh said:
See thats where your wrong i didnt say for their whole career. Did I? I said at the same points in their careers. Pouncey and Decastro are comparable to Faneca. I didnt compare anyone on the roster to Kirkland try again. Tomlin said that. Mitchell and Lebeau did not.
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And Allen Hurns is comparable to Jerry Rice at this point in his career. So?

Fact is, when someone asked you where Tomlin's Aaron/Faneca/Kirkland are, you said we have comparable guys to them. They're just young and need time to prove it. As usual, the NFL's sixth-longest tenured head coach just needs time and patience. He and his handpicked roster just need more time, that's all.
 
And i compared a few guys to a few of those players not all your point. Yes he does needs more time and patience after all we are still waiting on a winning record, a playoff appearance, a Super bowl appearance, a Super bowl win. Right??
 
Vader said:
Oh bullshit. Talk about opinions. Your OPINION is that IF Tomlin had these issues. Well he doesn't and has never had those issues. So that is moot. You think the standard time for players leaving is exactly the same as replacing players every ******* year? You can't be this obtuse. Cowher was having to replace players every ******* year. Tomlin had the SAME ******* team for years. He won a SB with 10 out of 11 of Cowher's players on defense. So don't give me "they both had to replace player's" BS. It isn't the same at all.

Tomlin has had 8 years to replace Cowher's talent and he has failed miserable. Most of Cowher's talent retired during Tomlin's term. He wasn't having to replace FAs that he couldn't afford. Huge ******* difference. Hell, Tomlin doesn't even want his own draft picks. He let Lewis leave without even talking to him. Mendy was such a head case they let him walk. Yes, players like Cowher drafted are hard to find. Tomlin has had 8 years and hasn't found ONE of them. Some how Cowher drafted Smith, Ward, Faneca, Hampton, Ben, ETC... but in 8 years Tomlin can't find ONE of them.
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He found Jarvis he did lead the sec in sacks. He was so happy he was bad in his pro day he would slip lmao. Coach clueless. Let's not forget this is the genius who said one of the ways for fixing oline issues is drafting more skill players after they drafted the great mendy and immortal sweed. Those were some great skill players
 
antdrewjosh said:
And i compared a few guys to a few of those players not all your point. Yes he does needs more time and patience after all we are still waiting on a winning record, a playoff appearance, a Super bowl appearance, a Super bowl win. Right??
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No, I believe:
1) We're waiting for a positive trend that shows the team is improving. You want that arrow pointing upwards, NOT down.
2) We're waiting for the new players, Tomlin's players, to start contributing.
3) We're waiting for the team to play with discipline and focus. To lead in positive stats, especially W, not negative ones.
4) We're waiting to see players and coaches being made accountable when they actions that result in detriment to results, or the team in general.

This is Tomlin's resume as a Steelers HC:
2007 10-6 Lost wild card game
2008 12-4 Super Bowl Champion
2009 9-7 missed play-offs
2010 12-4 Lost in Super Bowl
2011 12-4 Lost wild card game (Tim Tebow)
2012 8-8 No play-offs
2013 8-8 No play-offs
2014 3-3 No play-offs (very likely)

Not a nice read, unless you're a Bengals, Browns or Ravens offcial/player/fan.
 
Acereros said:
This is Tomlin's resume as a Steelers HC:
2007 10-6 Lost wild card game
2008 12-4 Super Bowl Champion
2009 9-7 missed play-offs
2010 12-4 Lost in Super Bowl
2011 12-4 Lost wild card game (Tim Tebow)
2012 8-8 No play-offs
2013 8-8 No play-offs
2014 3-3 No play-offs (very likely)

Not a nice read, unless you're a Bengals, Browns or Ravens offcial/player/fan.
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Are you honestly saying this is unacceptable??? Ok im done.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Are you honestly saying this is unacceptable??? Ok im done.
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AGAIN, Barry Switzer was better , same number of Super Bowl wins, same number of playoff wins, less playoff losses, all in 4 years as opposed to 8 years for our idiot head coach. You think Switzer was a good coach ?
 
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JJ_Steel said:
AGAIN, Barry Switzer was better , same number of Super Bowl wins, same number of playoff wins, less playoff losses, all in 4 years as opposed to 8 years for our idiot head coach. You think Switzer was a good coach ?
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If he wasnt why did have a job at Oklahoma for 16 years with three national championships. Career record of 157-29-4 (.837). Yep Switzer didnt have a clue.
 
antdrewjosh said:
If he wasnt why did have a job at Oklahoma for 16 years with three national championships. Career record of 157-29-4 (.837). Yep Switzer didnt have a clue.
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You really are clueless. Switzer was regarded as a joke in the NFL and nothing but a caretaker of the Cowboy dynasty. When Jimmy Johnson's players started getting older and retired Switzer went in the *******, just like Tomlin has done.

Switzer was a great college coach, something Tomlin was not and is still considered a joke in the NFL but was way better than Tomlin, thanks for proving my point.
 
Not sure how at this point anyone can say Tomlin is anything besides mediocre.

His arrow is pointing in the wrong direction, and it is OBVIOUS, that if he hasn't lost the team....................he is close.
 
slashsteel said:
Not sure how at this point anyone can say Tomlin is anything besides mediocre.

His arrow is pointing in the wrong direction, and it is OBVIOUS, that if he hasn't lost the team....................he is close.
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So when we went 6-10 and 7-9 back to back Cowher was mediocre and his arrow was pointing down also correct? He had lost his team too?
 
cpollock said:
The Tribune Review did an in depth comparison .. check it out

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/10/19/nfl-draft-breakdown-cowher-tomlin/


According to their comparison --

Tomlin 259 points / 59 Players
Average 4.37

Cowher - 302 points / 70 Players
Average - 4.31

Interesting -- read the article for the the points and the PDF that shows all specifics .
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Interesting take:

Already, entire Tomlin-era draft classes are wiped out — not one of the 16 players drafted in 2008 and 2009 remains. Only 10 of the 42 selected from 2008-12 remain, or 23.8 percent — and that should be the core of this team. By comparison, the Atlanta Falcons retain 16 of 38, or 42.1 percent.
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antdrewjosh said:
So when we went 6-10 and 7-9 back to back Cowher was mediocre and his arrow was pointing down also correct? He had lost his team too?
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Did Cowher have a franchise QB in 98 and 99 ? Did he have an Antonio Brown instead of a Courtney Hawkins and Will Blackwell ? Did Cowher have 6 straight playoff appearances with journeymen QBs ? Had Cowher missed the playoffs 50% of the time like Tomlin is in the process of doing ? You are a Tomlin lover of epic proportions, I would love for you to name ONE coaching move that Tomlin has made that was above average, just one.
 
So Vader what did you think of this. Only asking because this is something I mentioned also.


http://triblive.com/mobile/6900630-96/tomlin-cowher-draft

Time also has changed how each coach drafted.

“In some ways, I think it was easier to draft if you were Cowher because fewer teams were running a 3-4 (defense),” Williamson said. “Jason Gildon (a third-rounder in 1994) would be a first-round pick now. There are so many teams running the 3-4 now that an Aaron Smith type, or an outside linebacker who can really rush the passer, they don't fall anymore. You don't get those guys in the third round anymore. That was an advantage.”
 
antdrewjosh said:
So when we went 6-10 and 7-9 back to back Cowher was mediocre and his arrow was pointing down also correct? He had lost his team too?
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Why are you so obsessed with Cowher? Why do you have to bring stats from Cowher's rebuilding years when you're trying to justify Tomlin's mediocre skills as a HC? What would you say Tomlin brings to the Steelers that justify giving him more time to turn things around?
 
antdrewjosh said:
Are you honestly saying this is unacceptable??? Ok im done.
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No, I didn't say it was unacceptable. I said that the arrow is pointing down and there are no signs of the contrary, would you like to argue that this is not true?
 
Acereros said:
Why are you so obsessed with Cowher? Why do you have to bring stats from Cowher's rebuilding years when you're trying to justify Tomlin's mediocre skills as a HC? What would you say Tomlin brings to the Steelers that justify giving him more time to turn things around?
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Come on don't be to hard on antdrewjosh, he is a paying member of the Tomlin sunglass of the month club.
 
Acereros said:
Why are you so obsessed with Cowher? Why do you have to bring stats from Cowher's rebuilding years when you're trying to justify Tomlin's mediocre skills as a HC? What would you say Tomlin brings to the Steelers that justify giving him more time to turn things around?
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Nearly every person who dislikes Tomlin compares him to Cowher, or acts like Cowher didn't have issues too. It's stupid on both sides of the argument.
 
JJ_Steel said:
Did Cowher have a franchise QB in 98 and 99 ? Did he have an Antonio Brown instead of a Courtney Hawkins and Will Blackwell ? Did Cowher have 6 straight playoff appearances with journeymen QBs ? Had Cowher missed the playoffs 50% of the time like Tomlin is in the process of doing ? You are a Tomlin lover of epic proportions, I would love for you to name ONE coaching move that Tomlin has made that was above average, just one.
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Onceyou see what im pointing out you will be ok. Why is one coach responsible for who is and isnt on his team and the other not. Thats what im asking here. Nothing to do with the individual coach. Im on record for liking both coaches. My question is simple why does Cowher get a pass for his roster in 98 99. If Cowher didnt like his QBs why didnt he change them?? We have a 100 and something page thread on Archer because some thought he was a luxury pick and we should of taken a CB. Tomlin doesnt get a pass. Why should Cowher get one for not addressing his QB issue?
 
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Acereros said:
Why are you so obsessed with Cowher? Why do you have to bring stats from Cowher's rebuilding years when you're trying to justify Tomlin's mediocre skills as a HC? What would you say Tomlin brings to the Steelers that justify giving him more time to turn things around?
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What is the topic of this thread try again
 
antdrewjosh said:
Once.you see what im pointing out you will be ok. Why is ine.coach responsible for who is and isnt on his team and the other not. Thats what im asking here. Nothing to do with the individual coach. Im on record for liking both coaches. My question is simple why does Cowher get a pass for his roster in 98 99. If Cowher didnt like his QBs why didnt he change them?? We have a 100 and something page thread on Archer because some thought he was a luxury pick and we should of taken a CB. Tomlin doesnt get a pass. Why should Cowher get one for not addressing his QB issue?
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Cowher had 6 straight playoff seasons so he was picking late every year, Tomlin with his ****** coaching has missed the playoffs 3 times in 7 years and has gotten high first round picks which of course he has shitted the bed on. Oh and of course Cowher had a GM that drafted the worthless Troy Edwards instead pf Jevon Kearse like Cowher wanted. Only you can sit here and stupidly say that Tomlin has drafted well.

By the way, what is the ONE coaching move in 8 years that is above average?
 
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