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https://www.theepochtimes.com/founding-fathers-without-virtue-there-is-no-freedom_2761389.html

Founding Fathers: Without Virtue There Is No Freedom

By Joshua Charles | January 19, 2019

The Founding Fathers believed one thing was absolutely essential to a free society: virtue. Sometimes the term they used was “self-government.”

What did it mean? Informed by thousands of years of philosophy and theology, first with Greeks like Aristotle, and later by Christian theologians such as Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas, the Founders understood “virtue” to be behavior (more specifically, habits) in accordance with the good—which both Aristotle and Aquinas, among others, defined as behaving according to “right reason.” Virtue was thus the willing sacrifice of one’s passions to a higher good, namely “right reason.”

Traditionally, the four “cardinal virtues” of antiquity were prudence, courage, temperance; and justice. The biblical book of Wisdom (8:7) listed the same virtues. Christian theology would go on to include the three “theological virtues,” namely faith, hope; and love (found originally in 1 Corinthians 13, written by Saint Paul). Hence, the famous “seven deadly sins” were the opposite of these virtues: lust, gluttony; greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride.

Benjamin Franklin, in his “Autobiography,” listed a similar set of virtues:

1. Temperance: Eat not to dullness, drink not to elevation.
2. Silence: Speak not but what may benefit others or yourself. Avoid trifling conversation.
3. Order: Let all your things have their places. Let each part of your business have its time.
4. Resolution: Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve.
5. Frugality: Make no expense but to do good to others or yourself, i.e. waste nothing.
6. Industry: Lose no time—be always employed in something useful—cut off all unnecessary actions.
7. Sincerity: Use no hurtful deceit. Think innocent and justly, and, if you speak, speak accordingly.
8. Justice: Wrong none by doing injuries or omitting the benefits that are your duty.
9. Moderation: Avoid extremes. Forbear resenting injuries so much as you think they deserve.
10. Cleanliness: Tolerate no uncleanness in body, clothes, or habitation.
11. Tranquility: Be not disturbed at trifles, or at accidents common or unavoidable.
12. Chastity
13. Humility: Imitate Jesus and Socrates.​

Notice what each virtue requires: self-control; self-limitation. Indeed, the long tradition in both philosophy and theology had been to equate virtue with happiness—thus, for Jefferson, the “pursuit of happiness” meant something far closer to “freedom to pursue the good” rather than “freedom to do whatever I want.” The first makes a free society possible. The second destroys it, because to abandon the virtues always involves a violation of the integrity of the human person—either ourselves, or (more often) others. When such violations are not avoided, or mended, by individuals and families, it is “mended” by a far blunter instrument—government. When one does not control oneself, someone, or something else will—namely, the state.

The Founders were deeply aware of this reality.

For example, in his first Inaugural Address, George Washington made this connection quite forcefully, including a broad allusion to the Bible:

“[T]here is no truth more thoroughly established, than that there exists in the economy and course of nature, an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness, between duty and advantage, between the genuine maxims of an honest and magnanimous policy, and the solid rewards of public prosperity and felicity: Since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained [see Proverbs 14:34]: And since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of Government, are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as finally staked, on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.”​

Likewise, President John Adams made this connection explicit:

“We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition Revenge or Gallantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”​

In other words, a Constitution for a free people necessarily assumes they will exercise a degree of self-control that doesn’t take place in other societies.

During the Revolution, John’s cousin, the famous Samuel Adams, made the same point in a famous line about this great formula of freedom: “If Virtue and Knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great Security.”

For the Founders, being educated was an essential part of a free society, and part of virtue as well. Ignorance and liberty are not compatible in the long-term—a fact that our own social-media-saturated society seems to have forgotten, substituting base ideology, demagoguery, and lies for facts and evidence.

Samuel, writing in turn to his cousin who had just become Vice President (John), asserted in another place:

“Let Divines, and Philosophers, Statesmen and Patriots unite their endeavors to renovate the Age, by impressing the Minds of Men with the importance of educating their little boys, and girls—of inculcating in the Minds of youth the fear, and Love of the Deity, and universal Philanthropy; and in subordination to these great principles, the Love of their Country—of instructing them in the Art of self-government, without which they never can act a wise part in the Government of Societies great, or small—in short of leading them in the Study, and Practice of the exalted Virtues of the Christian system.”​

In his final Farewell Address to the new nation, Washington used his last great moment before the nation to make the connection between virtue and liberty crystal clear:

“It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?”

He even went so far as to say that anyone who would undermine morality could not possibly be a patriot:

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity … And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”​

Reams of examples could be cited, but the point is clear: for the Founders, virtue and freedom were necessary partners. To have one without the other was to violate a fundamental law of nature.

If we desire to maintain a free society in America, we can no longer ignore, let alone denigrate, the necessity of virtue in our private and public lives.

Joshua Charles is a bestselling author, historian, researcher, and international speaker. He is a passionate defender of America’s founding principles, Judeo-Christian civilization, and the Catholic faith, to which he converted in 2018. He loves telling, and helping others tell, great stories that communicate great truths. Follow him on Twitter @JoshuaTCharles or see JoshuaTCharles.com
 
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When I read the intricacies & thoughtfulness of the old text and realize the supreme intelligence (and perhaps even more importantly, the incredible wisdom) of our founding fathers, it's a marvel to behold. Nothing like it.

Today, do we have anyone that comes even remotely close to what these great men were, how they thought so clearly about the future, and what they ultimately did to alter the course of human history?
 
When I read the intricacies & thoughtfulness of the old text and realize the supreme intelligence (and perhaps even more importantly, the incredible wisdom) of our founding fathers, it's a marvel to behold. Nothing like it.

Today, do we have anyone that comes even remotely close to what these great men were, how they thought so clearly about the future, and what they ultimately did to alter the course of human history?

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When I read the intricacies & thoughtfulness of the old text and realize the supreme intelligence (and perhaps even more importantly, the incredible wisdom) of our founding fathers, it's a marvel to behold. Nothing like it.

Consider that the remnant of Valley Forge rose up to drive out the greatest military power on the Earth at that time. Those people were who America was. Their descendants made America who she became, the greatest civilization that ever existed. What will we, who have benefited from their sacrifice and toil, leave this Republic as? Will it even be a Republic?

How can anybody look at this Republic, its founding principles, the wisdom of its founding Fathers, all it has weathered, and all it has accomplished in just over 200 years and not think that it was blessed by the hand of God?

Today, do we have anyone that comes even remotely close to what these great men were, how they thought so clearly about the future, and what they ultimately did to alter the course of human history?

No, today we have 'leadership' that ridicules the Republic, its founding leadership, their wisdom, and all we have built. Generations of children have been robbed of the American identity and legacy through the systematic destruction of their minds at the hands of public schools and 'higher' education. And those are the ones we didn't abort.

Yes, the founders did alter human history. Darkness seeks to alter it back. I believe this President was given to us as our last chance to keep the America that was given to us.

Pray for this man, his family, the administration, and those who toil with them to make America great again.
 
I just read this commentary that's spells out the distance we have traveled from Constitutional Government.

Dr. Jack Minzey on Civil War in U.S. Today ….

Jack passed away Sunday, 8 April 2018.


Professionally, Jack was head of the Department of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books, most of which were on the topic of Education and the Government role therein.

This is the last of his works: Civil War

How do civil wars happen?

Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country.

When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.

What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections. That's a civil war.

There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.

This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election

When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship. Your very own dictatorship .

The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.

Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.

If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.

But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.

When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

The Constitution has something to say about that.

Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.

Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down. That's not a free country.

It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did win.

Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.

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Yes, the founders did alter human history. Darkness seeks to alter it back. I believe this President was given to us as our last chance to keep the America that was given to us. Pray for this man, his family, the administration, and those who toil with them to make America great again.
Yes, he is a direct descendant of our saviour, Jesus of Nazareth, sent here by our Father in Heaven to troll and shame libtards and keep America pasty white and far-right conservative till the end of time. The way our ever-living God wants it to be. Amen.
 
Yes, he is a direct descendant of our saviour, Jesus of Nazareth, sent here by our Father in Heaven to troll and shame libtards and keep America pasty white and far-right conservative till the end of time. The way our ever-living God wants it to be. Amen.

Maybe if I abandoned my country and moved to Europe I wouldn't care if millions of semiliterate third world day laborers poured across the Mexican Border to be a welfare dependent strain on the economy. If I lived in Hungary behind a secure border I wouldn't be concerned about a flood of people with no intention of integrating with American Culture coming in and further damaged the cohesiveness of the American People and Nation.
 
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He doesn't give a **** 'D', he just gets paid to agitate, lie about current events and stoke the resistance.

Real problems over here are not his problem at all, especially while he's safe behind his wall and Unks checks keep rollin' in.

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Yes, he is a direct descendant of our saviour, Jesus of Nazareth, sent here by our Father in Heaven to troll and shame libtards and keep America pasty white and far-right conservative till the end of time. The way our ever-living God wants it to be. Amen.

*******. Do you read what you post out loud before you hit send? Condescending much?
 
I'm not sure we have strayed all that far. They estimate that Ben Franklin had 15 children out of wedlock and many other founders owned slaves and bedded them.
Doesn't seem very virtuous to me. Where was the self control, needed for right reason.
 
Yes, he is a direct descendant of our saviour, Jesus of Nazareth, sent here by our Father in Heaven to troll and shame libtards and keep America pasty white and far-right conservative till the end of time. The way our ever-living God wants it to be. Amen.

You're such an ***.
 
Yes, he is a direct descendant of our saviour, Jesus of Nazareth, sent here by our Father in Heaven to troll and shame libtards and keep America pasty white and far-right conservative till the end of time. The way our ever-living God wants it to be. Amen.

Full TSD on display. Dude you have lost your mind. By the way everything is still great over here in the USA.
 
*******. Do you read what you post out loud before you hit send? Condescending much?

His TDS plus his self hate from his white guilt has over taken all rationality he once had.

(see the Media thread for latest example)
 
Sounding more like Elfie with each passing day ain't he? Sad, what is happening.

You're such an ***.

Full TSD on display. Dude you have lost your mind. By the way everything is still great over here in the USA.

Wow Tibs, all the work you've done to "educate" us, to show us the light, has been for naught.

As they say...well I don't need to repeat their words.

You probably should go peddling your ill wares at a HuffPo site or something where the sheep are stupid enough to listen.
 
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