I am officially on the KP8 train

[Iron95]

I never realized how small his hands really are.

So thats who has been tracking mud into the house!

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Like I said it has been all of our QBs for three years. Ben was missing open guys and having accuracy issues last year as much as any of our guys. KP being a rookie fair or not gets a bit of a pass from me for this year as any rookie QB should.

KP gets no pass from me, as first round picks shouldn’t

KP doesn’t see a wide open guy or throws a **** pass it’s Kenny’s fault, period…has nothing to do with years he wasn’t here or the **** OC or the inept HC

KP gets scared rookie feet and runs himself into a sack cuz he leaves a clean pocket early, is that the OL’s fault…sure the KP apologists can spin that too

Do I expect him to be perfect, or even good/great…hell no, not yet (or probably ever in all honesty) but the KP apologists can find a way to look past literally everything golden boy does poorly/wrong

 

[FordFairLane]

That's a funny play on words there, using the word "fact" with "likely". It's not a fact, it's simply speculation, funny how you always talk about "this is a fact and that is a fact" and yet most of the time it's your own opinion, interpretation, or speculation. None of which are at all factual, because how could it be. You have zero idea what happens if we don't take Pickett at 20, and there is no possible way of knowing that. You do not have the ability to look into every possible outcome like you're Dr Strange.

The fact remains no QB was taken for 54 picks after Pickett. So yes, LIKELY, we get Pickett in round two. Perhaps round three.

 

[FordFairLane]

So they take Pickett the second and then they don't get George Pickens. We also don't get Chicago's second-round pick because they aren't trading Claypool .

But maybe we get Tyson Smith. Or maybe we just take the Chiefs trade and get Pickett at 29, George at 52 but still get two extra picks at 94 and 121.

 

[FordFairLane]

I am ok with where they took him. He has been playing more like a 1st round QB lately. I think his value was spot on for mid to low first. Not even close to a fact they get Pickett if they sit on selecting him there. Teams tend to maneuver when they see a prospect falling they like.

Again, Pickett wasn’t falling. He was a reach.

 

[slashsteel]

Again, Pickett wasn’t falling. He was a reach.

I don't see him as a reach. His questions centered around his extra college year more than anything else. He was ultra productive in his last season.

 

[slashsteel]

But maybe we get Tyson Smith. Or maybe we just take the Chiefs trade and get Pickett at 29, George at 52 but still get two extra picks at 94 and 121.

Lot of maybes. Maybe they don't get the QB they want the most. No use in an unnecessary risk.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

looking at it from another point of view. KP was a much better pick than Uncle Jarvis, Artie Burns, Ziggy Hood...

Add Troy Edwards, Jermain Stephens, Huey Richardson, Tim Worley, Walter Abercrombie, Darryl Sims to the list.
When these guys were drafted we all had high expectations for them, but it didn't pan out.

No one here can say what Pickett will be or won't be as fact, but only speculation based on a handful of games and personal bias.
Expecting him to perform like a top 5 QB in his 5th year may be too much to ask from us arm chair coaches.

 

[FordFairLane]

I don't see him as a reach. His questions centered around his extra college year more than anything else. He was ultra productive in his last season.

Age, hand size and touch on passes were all concerns as well.

 

[FordFairLane]

Lot of maybes. Maybe they don't get the QB they want the most. No use in an unnecessary risk.

Then we start Mitch or Rudolph. Try again next year if they don’t perform. Again I didn’t like Colbert’s need to force a position in a draft. And if he went into that draft with Pickett head and shoulders better than the rest he should have retired years ago.

 

[ianv2012]

The fact remains no QB was taken for 54 picks after Pickett. So yes, LIKELY, we get Pickett in round two. Perhaps round three.

The fact remains those QBs aren't Pickett, he was already taken, that's actually a fact, so it's still speculation without the possibility of knowing what would happen otherwise

 

[FordFairLane]

The fact remains those QBs aren't Pickett, he was already taken, that's actually a fact, so it's still speculation without the possibility of knowing what would happen otherwise

likely​

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adjective​

like·ly ˈlī-klē

likelier; likeliest
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: having a high probability of occurring or being true : very probable
rain is likely today

 

[topseed]

Again, Pickett wasn’t falling. He was a reach.

Again, more bullshlt from you. KP wasn't a "reach" at 20.

Sports Illustrated had Pickett going in the top 12. He was the #22 overall prospect with Scouts, Inc. USA Today had this to say:

"Pickett was one of the top players in the country at a premium position, and he will without a doubt be in the conversation for the first quarterback taken in this year’s draft. He’s got an extremely high floor, and enough experience to play right away. He should come off the board in the top half of the first round, likely to a team that needs an immediate upgrade in the starting lineup."

Projection: Top 20​

You know, a team like the the Steelers, who evidently needed not one but two immediate upgrades from Mason Rudolph.

 

[slashsteel]

Then we start Mitch or Rudolph. Try again next year if they don’t perform. Again I didn’t like Colbert’s need to force a position in a draft. And if he went into that draft with Pickett head and shoulders better than the rest he should have retired years ago.

Perhaps Kenny was their top value at need positions. You are doing a lot of assuming and trying to play it off as more than that.

Yeah we see how well Mitch and Rudy worked for the team. When your franchise retires you stock the position. You don't just make do.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Perhaps Kenny was their top value at need positions. You are doing a lot of assuming and trying to play it off as more than that.

Yeah we see how well Mitch and Rudy worked for the team. When your franchise retires you stock the position. You don't just make do.

That's always the tricky part of the draft. You never know where players will go and when there are 31 selections between your picks, teams have to take calculated risks. Looking back on the past two drafts as well, how does everyone rank the QBs based on performance and value?

1.1 Trevor Lawrence
1.2 Zach Wilson
1.3 Trey Lance
1.11 Justin Fields
1.15 Mac Jones
1.20 Kenny Pickett

 

[slashsteel]

That's always the tricky part of the draft. You never know where players will go and when there are 31 selections between your picks, teams have to take calculated risks. Looking back on the past two drafts as well, how does everyone rank the QBs based on performance and value?

1.1 Trevor Lawrence
1.2 Zach Wilson
1.3 Trey Lance
1.11 Justin Fields
1.15 Mac Jones
1.20 Kenny Pickett

I thought Jones was an unspectacular pick but a safe one. He seems to be hovering around that thought. Lance I thought was a reach, he seems to be hovering around that thought. Besides Kenny that is what I remember. Hard to get a bead on Lawrence stuck in that sea of misery of a team. Wilson is recently benched the book is still out on him though. Fields reminds me of Action Jackson. Don't remember my initial thought on him. Probably was a system concern.

 

[ianv2012]

The fact remains no QB was taken for 54 picks after Pickett. So yes, LIKELY, we get Pickett in round two. Perhaps round three.

You keep pairing fact with likely and then think I'm the one who requires a definition of terms. The two ideas don't speak to one another, it doesn't matter when other QBs went, Pickett is not them and you don't know where Pickett was valued by other organizations. Keep it up Coach Lite

 

[jitter77]

No. Because he wasn’t KP>>>>>>>>>>> the other qbs. There was no consensus top qb this last draft.

I think there was consensus that Pickett was the safest and most pro ready QB. Other QBs may have higher potential, but were more risky. Mac Jones is like Pickett in my opinion, and he has been up and down. Lawrence was pegged as a cant miss generational talent and has not lived up to that yet. Wilson seems to have a maturity issue and has been replaced by White. Lance was a head scratching pick IMO and hasnt been on the field enough to judge. Fields has been looking better lately, but still too early to judge any of these guys.

We have no clue where Pickett would have ended up if we passed on him. I remember we were all dreading Willis being there when we picked and taking him and we ended up being able to choose whoever. It was not a reach for Pickett and no way w/o a time machine to say he would have been there when we picked again.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

KP gets no pass from me, as first round picks shouldn’t

KP doesn’t see a wide open guy or throws a **** pass it’s Kenny’s fault, period…has nothing to do with years he wasn’t here or the **** OC or the inept HC

KP gets scared rookie feet and runs himself into a sack cuz he leaves a clean pocket early, is that the OL’s fault…sure the KP apologists can spin that too

Do I expect him to be perfect, or even good/great…hell no, not yet (or probably ever in all honesty) but the KP apologists can find a way to look past literally everything golden boy does poorly/wrong

Ok you are taking this all a bit too far, are already splitting into factions? WTF apologists? The kid is a rookie in a terrible offense, one even Ben could barely make work when he was using Canada's calls. KP is getting better every week. That is all that matters. Plenty of good QBs have started looking like failures and turned it around. Go back and watch Ben in the offense last year. He routinely missed guys seemingly wide open when he wasn't calling his own plays. There just may be a reason for that aside from KP being a rookie. Ben was certainly no Rookie.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Ok you are taking this all a bit too far, are already splitting into factions? WTF apologists? The kid is a rookie in a terrible offense, one even Ben could barely make work when he was using Canada's calls. KP is getting better every week. That is all that matters. Plenty of good QBs have started looking like failures and turned it around. Go back and watch Ben in the offense last year. He routinely missed guys seemingly wide open when he wasn't calling his own plays. There just may be a reason for that aside from KP being a rookie. Ben was certainly no Rookie.

I just read some of this stuff and just feel thankful the fans don't run the team. Although I do think a great many could come up with a better offensive scheme.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Ok you are taking this all a bit too far, are already splitting into factions? WTF apologists? The kid is a rookie in a terrible offense, one even Ben could barely make work when he was using Canada's calls. KP is getting better every week. That is all that matters. Plenty of good QBs have started looking like failures and turned it around. Go back and watch Ben in the offense last year. He routinely missed guys seemingly wide open when he wasn't calling his own plays. There just may be a reason for that aside from KP being a rookie. Ben was certainly no Rookie.

Spoken like a KP apologist^^^
And the KP can do no wrong and ***** gold bricks faction imo are taking it too far. The kid hasn’t been good, he’s finally uncorked a couple games where he wasn’t awful and we won…maybe he’s a bigger issue than some think/will admit
Maybe the offense isn’t that terrible if he makes better reads and hits open guys, sure wouldn’t hurt.

Again how does 40 year old shell of himself Ben have ANY bearing whatsoever about KP’s inaccuracy, poor reads, scared/happy feet running him out of the pocket…those are KP issues, and his alone…the two were never on the same team so seems hard to blame on Ben…but I get it, KP can do no wrong, lmao

Maybe he’ll get better, he seems to be improving…hope he does cuz we’re stuck with him now

 

[Steelr4evr]

Some of you guys are silly as ****. You remind me of one of my uncles who would yell that we're going to lose the game ,it's over. May as well turn it off. This was normally in the first quarter. The vast majority of the time he was wrong. I had to stop watching games with him.

I suppose it's just a Steeler fan thing that's been going on for a very long time.

The focus really should be building a championship team. That's going to take investing in the OL/DL in the draft mostly. They have to hit some homeruns or this team will stay in middle of the pack land for another 10 years.

You then need top notch coaching for player development.

I don't see an offensive or defensive system right now on this team that's going to win at the highest level in the playoffs. Which is the place you'll run into those well oiled machines who will expose the pretenders.

 

[Stryker]

KP was the only QB last year with a first round grade. He wasn't making it out of the 1st.

His numbers are very good compared against this the stats of the Heisman finalists. I'll start a 2nd thread.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Spoken like a KP apologist^^^
And the KP can do no wrong and ***** gold bricks faction imo are taking it too far. The kid hasn’t been good, he’s finally uncorked a couple games where he wasn’t awful and we won…maybe he’s a bigger issue than some think/will admit
Maybe the offense isn’t that terrible if he makes better reads and hits open guys, sure wouldn’t hurt.

Again how does 40 year old shell of himself Ben have ANY bearing whatsoever about KP’s inaccuracy, poor reads, scared/happy feet running him out of the pocket…those are KP issues, and his alone…the two were never on the same team so seems hard to blame on Ben…but I get it, KP can do no wrong, lmao

Maybe he’ll get better, he seems to be improving…hope he does cuz we’re stuck with him now

You sure seem to use the word maybe a lot, not that you're wrong in using it. This entire thread is nothing but personal conjecture, but it will make for good conversation a few years from now when we see how this all shakes out.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Spoken like a KP apologist^^^
And the KP can do no wrong and ***** gold bricks faction imo are taking it too far. The kid hasn’t been good, he’s finally uncorked a couple games where he wasn’t awful and we won…maybe he’s a bigger issue than some think/will admit
Maybe the offense isn’t that terrible if he makes better reads and hits open guys, sure wouldn’t hurt.

Again how does 40 year old shell of himself Ben have ANY bearing whatsoever about KP’s inaccuracy, poor reads, scared/happy feet running him out of the pocket…those are KP issues, and his alone…the two were never on the same team so seems hard to blame on Ben…but I get it, KP can do no wrong, lmao

Maybe he’ll get better, he seems to be improving…hope he does cuz we’re stuck with him now

Fiji you need to go smoke some good stuff. For the love of god he is a rookie. I completely stand by my point that this offense hasn't looked much different in 3 or 4 years. We were screaming about missed guys open for that whole time and over 4 different QB's now and two different OC's. That has to tell you something. KP certainly has lots to learn and improve on. I am not anointing him as the savior or denigrating him as a flop, I am simply pointing out your analysis is way over the top and way premature along with ignoring all the similarities in issues to what we have already seen. You and others just need to chill the **** out and just wait and see how he progresses until at least the end of next season, minimum. He has shown growth.