Initial thoughts on browns Game

[Steeltime]

Word of advice: This is simply not going to change until Tomlin decides to retire. The endless string of nail-biters and losses to flaccid losing teams will continue. The "no losing season" 10-7 or 9-7-1 bowl, with a 1st round playoff stomping, will continue. The same predictable offense and failure to utilize weapons will continue. The Groundhog Day of "we don't need to change the scheme, just execute better" will continue.

Don't sweat it. Grown men wearing pajamas and getting paid exorbitant amounts of money to chase a ball are not worth getting upset about. At this point in my life, I just cannot get worked up over what happens with a game involving a bunch of people who don't know me and don't care about me.

 

[TimesAreChanged]

Word of advice: This is simply not going to change until Tomlin decides to retire. The endless string of nail-biters and losses to flaccid losing teams will continue. The "no losing season" 10-7 or 9-7-1 bowl, with a 1st round playoff stomping, will continue. The same predictable offense and failure to utilize weapons will continue. The Groundhog Day of "we don't need to change the scheme, just execute better" will continue.

Don't sweat it. Grown men wearing pajamas and getting paid exorbitant amounts of money to chase a ball are not worth getting upset about. At this point in my life, I just cannot get worked up over what happens with a game involving a bunch of people who don't know me and don't care about me.

Totally agree. As soon as Tomlin retires, they'll be undefeated and each game will be a blowout. Other teams probably know this and pay his salary and expenses. They may even toss him 5 or 10 million in briefcases so he keeps working. Wonder how many teams are in on it. All 3 AFCN teams at least.

 

[Steeltime]

Totally agree. As soon as Tomlin retires, they'll be undefeated and each game will be a blowout. Other teams probably know this and pay his salary and expenses. They may even toss him 5 or 10 million in briefcases so he keeps working. Wonder how many teams are in on it. All 3 AFCN teams at least.

Right, Tomlin is so amazing, incredible. No losing season!!

Took over a team with a HOF QB, a HOF RB, a HOF safety, a HOF guard, a soon-to-be HOF WR, an elite DE, an elite OLB, an elite TE, and won a SB then went to a 2nd SB.

Since then? 3-8 playoff record and the longest drought for a playoff win since the wonderful pre-Noll years.

Repeat, Mike Tomlin has the longest playoff drought for any Steelers teams since before the club hired Chuck Noll.

Tomlin is also 0-3 against the last 3 teams he faced with a record of 2-8 or worse. Yeah, the problem was Bruce Arians, no it was Todd Haley, nope it was actually Randy Fichtner, okay it was actually Matt Canada, no really the problem is Arthur Smith.

Got it. You bet. Tomlin is so amazing, I feel sorry for the next 2-8 or 1-7 team that he ***-kicks.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[NYSteel]

You can't expect big things from any QB in those conditions, I do agree with the rest. The defense is overrated, TJ is great but he can't take over games 100% of the time. Its always the same story, if TJ doesn't play lights out we don't have enough talent to make up the difference.
We have the inability to run the ball in short yardage situations. The 230+ pound Harris is awful in those 3rd an 4th and short,
he's been so bad they don't even attempt it half the time, and that's supposed to be what he is good at? He was looking like a different guy for a short stretch but has shown us the past 3 games he still isn't the guy and never has been consistently. Think of the great Steelers snow games from Jerome Bettis running over Urlacher in the red zone, or Leveon Bell putting up 300 and 3 TD against the Bills.
Snow games are up to the run game and defense to win. Steelers Run game and defense are average at best.

As a counterpoint on the QB play in the snow, Winston looked pretty credible outside of the bad int in 4Q.

Point being, players react differently to the conditions. Our guy was out played last night, in my opinion.

Defense was 0-4 on 4th down I believe too. It's 5pm, and I'm still annoyed.... Lol.... Time for a scotch.

 

[SteelerFan448]

After time to digest...

The offense was built for a game like this. Snow, cold, wind...it was set up for a dominating offensive performance on the ground. Najee should've rolled for 100+ yards and a couple of scores. He looked like he didn't want to run in the cold. Warren had a solid game, but only 11 carries.

The passing game put up stats, they just lack consistency to maintain drives. Part of that was all of the presnap penalties. Completely absurd in what sounded like a completely dead atmosphere. Unless the game wasn't mic'ed up outside of the pounding metal sound, that crowd was quiet last night.

I get we say Tomlin lives in his fears and is too conservative, but last night was not the night to go full cowboy mode on fourth downs. It was reckless. Plus, the play calls were uninspiring and fed right into the teeth of the defense. Even when they tried to get creative, it became predictable with Fields. Luckily he is a great athlete and had that terrific run late in the game.

Defensively, you pay these guys that much money to win close games like this. The Steelers have now lost games from blown leads to the two worst teams on their schedule so far. They had another where Joe Flacco carved them up. Is this defense incapable of getting up for a game against a poor opponent?

I am going to double down that the coaches had their worst performance in years. This isn't the same as Matt Canada level incompetence, but rather qualified coaches who flat out did a terrible job against a team that's already planning their offseason vacations.

 

[SteelerSask2]

The official explanation was 68 reported eligible. He was on the right end and even though the left end had the ball at his feet when the QB flung the ball to avoid the sack that are saying that might have been effected by Queen contacting Crab legs as he flung it which is pretty much laughable but I guess not surprising. Like look at the ****** play man.

 

[Steelmann]

My my. It seems like yesterday when after a fake punt failed on 4th and 15 from your own 16 we were being told by some how brilliant Tomlin was….how he doesn’t live in his fears…how.now you lived in fear if you didn’t agree with his call….how he has put the NFL on notice. And various other things.

I’ve said this since the Tebow disaster convinced me in 2011. He will get us close. But never over the hump. I have yet to see anything in the past 13 years since that game to change my mind.
He obviously has many positives as a coach. With many negatives as well. While we are doing better than I expected this season, who here has the confidence that when it absolutely matters he is the guy to lead the team.

Sure every team plays flat during the season. And it was only one game….blah,blah,blah. But how can anyone deny this disturbing trend that just keeps on happening the last 13 years. The fans that watch every snap know. Not the national media that watch the highlights. Yesterday I was told that “all you clowns just live for the bad games” when someone had the audacity to critique the coaching.

Well this “clown “ does certainly not live for the bad games. And has shown up to criticize. I could list numerous points from yesterday,but I’m sure they’ve all been covered. That was one of the worst coached games I have seen in a hell of a long time.

That was a big game to lose. Monday rant over. On to the next game.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I don’t know..
lost some sleep.. buts it’s always cool to watch an outdoor football game in a snow storm!
Just wish the results were different obviously.,

The outdoor game is better in n snow without non stop clanging of trash cans

But it was in the dumpster so it was expected

 

[NoKap#7]

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The level of stupidity of some Steelers fans. Let me put some perspective on the last 7 seasons of no playoff wins....

1) if you're not winning a SB who cares??
2) the last seven SB winning QBs...Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford.

There's nothing else to explain beyond that unless you're a complete moron.

 

[steel dino]

Are there any indoor games in snow storms?

negative....

you got me.

 

[Steelr4evr]

The level of stupidity of some Steelers fans. Let me put some perspective on the last 7 seasons of no playoff wins....

1) if you're not winning a SB who cares??
2) the last seven SB winning QBs...Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford.

There's nothing else to explain beyond that unless you're a complete moron.

The level of nut hugging by some fans gives me a serious belly laugh every time.

I can tell many have lowered their standards. They probably don't even know what the standard is or who set it.


We're not here yet this year,but this is what the last 10+ years has been..


After awhile all of that rah rah **** goes out the door.

 

[jitter77]

You're down coming off the L. One game at a time and they have time to rest and game plan. Minkah is on my list since Bills playoff game. JPJ is solid. I think they split and win the division and make a deep run. 10 months ago no one would have predicted this. Can't be unhappy brother

Not really down after a loss just being realistic. Balt gave us the game and we still almost lost. We didn't score a TD for 7 quarters. Cle has a solid D, but Ravens do not. We just seem to be regressing going into a brutal stretch

 

[Drink IRON City]

Every team has been doing a decent job at that lately. Even if it is simply holding him. Our defense needs to use the double and triple teaming on Watt to our advantage. We simply rush a standard 4 person attack. Vanilla actually.

Tomlin’s team have been relatively easy / consistent targets to scheme against. It’s been that way for quite some time so as that tells me it’s Tomlin’s scheme, more than the players being used to implement it.

Cleveland’s coach would prosper deeply if he were here in Pittsburgh as the HC.


Salute the nation

 

[SteelerSask2]

Gonna say this once. They were gonna lose games. Was afraid they would lose both Washington, Baltimore. Won both. Need to bounce back. That's all.

 

[Drink IRON City]

My my. It seems like yesterday when after a fake punt failed on 4th and 15 from your own 16 we were being told by some how brilliant Tomlin was….how he doesn’t live in his fears…how.now you lived in fear if you didn’t agree with his call….how he has put the NFL on notice. And various other things.

I’ve said this since the Tebow disaster convinced me in 2011. He will get us close. But never over the hump. I have yet to see anything in the past 13 years since that game to change my mind.
He obviously has many positives as a coach. With many negatives as well. While we are doing better than I expected this season, who here has the confidence that when it absolutely matters he is the guy to lead the team.

Sure every team plays flat during the season. And it was only one game….blah,blah,blah. But how can anyone deny this disturbing trend that just keeps on happening the last 13 years. The fans that watch every snap know. Not the national media that watch the highlights. Yesterday I was told that “all you clowns just live for the bad games” when someone had the audacity to critique the coaching.

Well this “clown “ does certainly not live for the bad games. And has shown up to criticize. I could list numerous points from yesterday,but I’m sure they’ve all been covered. That was one of the worst coached games I have seen in a hell of a long time.

That was a big game to lose. Monday rant over. On to the next game.

I’m with you Steelmann, right there. Groundhog Day seems to come year after year after year, but always the same **** different year.

Clevelands HC Coach definately out coached Tom Lin. Stefinowski (sp) I think is pretty solid, minus the Watson forced on him, that the Browns would be foolish to change HC.

No9t advocating for Stefnowski, but saying there is a chance to find better out there.


Saluter the nation

 

[warriors42]

My my. It seems like yesterday when after a fake punt failed on 4th and 15 from your own 16 we were being told by some how brilliant Tomlin was….how he doesn’t live in his fears…how.now you lived in fear if you didn’t agree with his call….how he has put the NFL on notice. And various other things.

I’ve said this since the Tebow disaster convinced me in 2011. He will get us close. But never over the hump. I have yet to see anything in the past 13 years since that game to change my mind.
He obviously has many positives as a coach. With many negatives as well. While we are doing better than I expected this season, who here has the confidence that when it absolutely matters he is the guy to lead the team.

Sure every team plays flat during the season. And it was only one game….blah,blah,blah. But how can anyone deny this disturbing trend that just keeps on happening the last 13 years. The fans that watch every snap know. Not the national media that watch the highlights. Yesterday I was told that “all you clowns just live for the bad games” when someone had the audacity to critique the coaching.

Well this “clown “ does certainly not live for the bad games. And has shown up to criticize. I could list numerous points from yesterday,but I’m sure they’ve all been covered. That was one of the worst coached games I have seen in a hell of a long time.

That was a big game to lose. Monday rant over. On to the next game.

I was probably the the biggest proponent of his 4th down call in that game. I felt it was a great call because nobody expected it. I own that and still stand by that statement. however That is not the same thing as miss managing timeouts and looking totally lost on that illegal touching penalty. It seems like he has no clue as to what to do with TJ. the boner he has for Wilson is mind boggling 90% of the play calling is also mind boggling.

Calling a fake punt on 4th down on your own 16 yard line may seem stupid but to me the element of surprise out weighed the risk, again it was Tomlin no one on the planet saw that coming and it should have worked. Under THOSE same circumstances I would run that play ten out of ten times but that's just me.. I respect your difference of opinion, we just don't see that play the same way and that's cool. I do however agree with pretty much everything else you said.