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James Harrison

Joey was cut because someone seen something in Harrison that Cowher couldn't. Joey Porter even said himself if Cowher was still here he'd still be the starting linebacker for the Steelers.

Bullshit. Harrison played a ton of games when Cowher was here. I posted an interview with LeBeau where he said Harrison was almost unblockable early in his career but he had a tough time learning the defense. Tomlin drafted Timmons to play ROLB so he saw jack **** in Harrison until he showed up to camp AFTER the draft and Timmons got hurt.

Saying Harrison is Tomlin's guy is total revisionist history bullshit. Harrison was the main backup to the LOLB and the ROLB.
 
Bullshit. Harrison played a ton of games when Cowher was here. I posted an interview with LeBeau where he said Harrison was almost unblockable early in his career but he had a tough time learning the defense. Tomlin drafted Timmons to play ROLB so he saw jack **** in Harrison until he showed up to camp AFTER the draft and Timmons got hurt.

Saying Harrison is Tomlin's guy is total revisionist history bullshit. Harrison was the main backup to the LOLB and the ROLB.

Oh poor you who can't read a stat sheet.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrJa23.htm

Harrison started a grand total of 8 games in FOUR YEARS under Cowher and had less than 100 tackles total. Tomlin drafted Timmons in April 2007, with minimal time to assess his current roster. Harrison was overlooked precisely BECAUSE Cowher had done nothing with him.

The Tomlin haters are the one's rewriting history.
 
Here's what I see from the play of Brett Kiesel and now James Harrison. Dedicated pros, who, though not at their greatest physically, are showing the young and upcoming defensive players what total commitment and hard work do to a defensive unit. did you see the zip in Tuitt? Young upcoming guy who played much better with Harrison and Kiesel in there.

Look at the age and experience of the defensive unit. We need some greybeards who can still play. The injuries to Jarvis Jones and Sahzier opened the door to Harrison coming back. Brett Kiesel, the Diesel, is showing that he still has something left in the tank.

If the younger players watch and learn, our defense will be better and stronger as the year goes on.
 
Oh poor you who can't read a stat sheet.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrJa23.htm

Harrison started a grand total of 8 games in FOUR YEARS under Cowher and had less than 100 tackles total. Tomlin drafted Timmons in April 2007, with minimal time to assess his current roster. Harrison was overlooked precisely BECAUSE Cowher had done nothing with him.

The Tomlin haters are the one's rewriting history.

Oh. My. God.

Harrison was a well-regarded player under Cowher. Starting 8 games is kind of a big deal with how great our LBs were (once upon a time). Saying Harrison was Tomlin's pet project is like saying Santonio was, too.

If Tomlin is such a magical OLB whisperer, I think he'd have developed a few more good ones by now. 8 years and all his magic gifts have to show are Harrison, a few seasons of Woodley, Jarvis Jones, Worilds, and Bruce Davis. Our pass rush has gone from devastating to laughable under Tomlin. Yes, clearly, he's a pass rushing oracle who identifies studs like no other. Sheesh.

Fact is, Tomlin drafted Timmons to replace Porter and keep Harrison on the bench. You will come up with any excuse necessary to prop up Mike Tomlin against all odds.

Well, Mike Tomlin and beating defenseless women.
 
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Don't you guys ever get tired of the ******* Cowher/Tomlin ****? This place is getting to be not worth the trouble of checking in. After almost a decade of being here the redundant childish bickering based on people's perceptions of what may have happened is a joke. It permeates nearly every thread. But by all means, let's keep the spirit alive with some shot dogs, field turf and a trade for Fu and a six.
 
I'm happy to have him back. He's one of my all time favorite steelers as well. Not one of my all time favorite abusers, but then again they can't televise all abuse like they did with Ray Rice. If they did, we may have more fans of abuse, and most of them wear purple...
 
Harrison looked useless up until last night's game where he had beast mode turned on. I guess the next few games should give us a better idea if he really has anything left.
 
Harrison was in his vintage form last night and I can only hope he plays half as well last week moving forward. Imagine if they signed Harrison and Keisel earlier so they could have got into football shape before the regular season.
 
Don't you guys ever get tired of the ******* Cowher/Tomlin ****? This place is getting to be not worth the trouble of checking in. After almost a decade of being here the redundant childish bickering based on people's perceptions of what may have happened is a joke. It permeates nearly every thread. But by all means, let's keep the spirit alive with some shot dogs, field turf and a trade for Fu and a six.

The Tomlin hate is, and always was, unwarranted. The TRAITORS who root against our squad just so the can get rid of him need to be held to account. Period.
 
The Tomlin hate is, and always was, unwarranted. The TRAITORS who root against our squad just so the can get rid of him need to be held to account. Period.

LOL. OK, I'm officially held to account. I'm on notice! LOL.

I wish I was a real fan and actually pulled for the Steelers. Dr. Beatmywoman just found me out.
 
The Tomlin hate is, and always was, unwarranted. The TRAITORS who root against our squad just so the can get rid of him need to be held to account. Period.

Don't let my post be construed as taking either side. It's possible to see merit in both. While I see us losing to inferior teams and having some struggles in the draft, I also see the team finish a lost season like last year on an upswing and some players drafted in this era who are major contributors. It isn't an argument where I see absolutes. I can see both sides of the arguments without digging in my heels just trying to be right and ignoring what my eyes tell me. I just don't get why this subject won't die, it's beyond old already.
 
We're 'starting to see' what James has left. I don't think he should have been allowed to leave in the first place but he surely would have been better than anyone else we have had at OLB, IMO.

Keisel's situation is similar except that we at least have guys who may be able to take his spot after this season (if not before). Behind James...we have nothing at the end of this year and not much will be available to us in the draft either. Worilds is playing better but we don't need to throw the kind of money at him he will want (for 1/2 a season of work). Better to go after a FA that has done it on a regular basis and see what Deebo's body says at the end of the season. He might be ready to call it but getting in football shape at >6ft, 255# is still pretty awesome for a guy his age. I'm quite happy we have him, just wished we would have entertained the idea sooner so we might have tilted a few more games our way. He's not gonna be what he once was...but still better and more intense than what we have. Maybe it'll rub off on them.
 
Don't let my post be construed as taking either side. It's possible to see merit in both. While I see us losing to inferior teams and having some struggles in the draft, I also see the team finish a lost season like last year on an upswing and some players drafted in this era who are major contributors. It isn't an argument where I see absolutes. I can see both sides of the arguments without digging in my heels just trying to be right and ignoring what my eyes tell me. I just don't get why this subject won't die, it's beyond old already.

It's a big deal. We're talking about the overall leadership regime over football operations. All discussion trickles down from how the FO and HC perform.

Indeed, Cowher v. Tomlin is hackneyed and irrelevant. But it's all some people have as they struggle through Tomlin discussions. "Well, remember that time Cowher called a dumb timeout? See?! PROOF that Tomlin is an all-time great coach and the only reason Ben has thrown 12 TDs!!" And pointing out that 90% of our success comes from guys who were here way before Tomlin was just highlights the point, that Tomlin's core is a mediocre team starving for talent at most key spots.
 
I've been around long enough and I've seen all the dreck. I have never heard anybody call Tomlin an all time great coach. Both sides of this **** find ways to bring up one or the other when Cowher is irrelevant to what is happening now. From where I sit, there is plenty of reason for hope with how some of the players who were acquired after he left are performing. A number of the veterans left over are doing the same. Every team has misses in the draft and a lot make dumb *** reach picks too. We just know more about our own because most of us have lives outside of football.

Both sides make valid points, but in the end all the needless hyperbole kills any real discussion. Some enjoy the dance, I think it's stupid and a waste of time. I'm nobody's apologist, nut hugger, history rewriter or anything else. I call it like I see it and I don't really give a **** which side of the argument my opinion falls on in a given discussion. Nobody here knows how the coaches divvy up responsibility on a given game plan. Now or before.

I know these last two weeks are as good as they've looked in a long *** time and the players are executing. They are certainly more aggressive coming after the QB and attacking on offense. Instead of me worrying about some unknown getting the credit I watch and I'm glad they look like they're figuring the **** out. Barring injuries or a collapse by the OL this team is trouble for everyone they play as long as the players decide to show up and the coaches decide to attack.

I'm not a better fan than anyone else. I'm not always optimistic, there is nothing wrong with trying to break down the team and discuss the things that need work, even when they're winning. But there's no reason to be an assclown to a fan who wants to only see the good, or has a differing opinion either. Not every fan lives and dies with the end result or follows it to the depths that some of us do. Once that fact is remembered a lot of it may stop.

What once made this the best board around was the ability for people to discuss this stuff without following each other around bashing each other in every thread because of a difference of opinion on a given subject. Now it's a bunch of cliques playing the one up told you so game, and it's embarrassing. We've lost a lot of the core members of this board over it, and honestly you can see a good number of what is left will follow suit if something doesn't change. We don't even have trolls like Black Jesus or Danny Crapnifico any more, we have ourselves to chase around and insult.

This is my last time addressing it for myself and from my point of view. I've had a lot of fun here over the last ten years or so, unfortunately I think it's coming to an end for me. I love a good debate and even some good insults from time to time, but the last couple months have been painful. The fault is mine for not figuring out how to just ignore it.

Sorry about the novel, I was embodied by the spirit of Kruuton.
 
Harrison, Kiesel, and Troy are leading this young D. They see the energy, the love, and the competiveness.

James, I'm so glad you came back to show the STEELERS way.
 
I just don't get why this subject won't die, it's beyond old already.

This silly **** is why...

And pointing out that 90% of our success comes from guys who were here way before Tomlin was just highlights the point, that Tomlin's core is a mediocre team starving for talent at most key spots.

Just ******* retarded. Ben is second in the NFL in yardage. Was 90% of it caught by Cowher's guys? Ben's got 22 TDs. Were 90% of them caught by Cowher's guys? And bell, with all his yards from scrimmage, how does Cowher fit in there? And who's blocking up front? How many of those are Cowher's guys?

Ninety ******* percent. That, FAB, is why we have to have this discussion. Dudes are just straight hating with this bullshit. Hating on their own squad, which for the life of me I can't understand.
 
You're right. Ben could NEVER succeed without Tomlin's players. He was nothing before Tomlin came along and built this fantastic o-line. And those losers he had to deal with at wideout?! Embarrassing!! Before Tomlin came along, Ben and the Steelers were beaten like Steel Not a Player's (fictional, I hope) girlfriend.

Not to mention this gangbusters D that defensive guru Tomlin has built.
 
This silly **** is why...



Just ******* retarded. Ben is second in the NFL in yardage. Was 90% of it caught by Cowher's guys? Ben's got 22 TDs. Were 90% of them caught by Cowher's guys? And bell, with all his yards from scrimmage, how does Cowher fit in there? And who's blocking up front? How many of those are Cowher's guys?

Ninety ******* percent. That, FAB, is why we have to have this discussion. Dudes are just straight hating with this bullshit. Hating on their own squad, which for the life of me I can't understand.
I believe you can not see anything you do not want to, BEN WAS A COWHER GUY WITH OUT HIM THE BALL DOES NOT GET THERE NOBODY CATCHES ANYTHING

There are lots of things in the debate that you misquote over and over with your hating posts. The fact that for a long time a lot of us were less than pleased with his coaching does not mean we hate him it simply means we did not like the job he did or was perceived to have done by those of us that did not like 8 and 8 seasons and draft classes that could not make the team. If you care to you could go back and read all of those posts and you will find that many of his strongest supporters were able to absolve the head coach of nearly all responsibility completely.

There are lots of points made in the discussion that actually deal with football instead of hate and hyperbole you might want to examine them before you continue your tirade and make nothing more glamorous than an ignore list.
 
You're right. Ben could NEVER succeed without Tomlin's players. He was nothing before Tomlin came along and built this fantastic o-line. And those losers he had to deal with at wideout?! Embarrassing!! Before Tomlin came along, Ben and the Steelers were beaten like Steel Not a Player's (fictional, I hope) girlfriend.

Not to mention this gangbusters D that defensive guru Tomlin has built.

Jamain Stephens

Will Blackwell

Scott Shields

Kordell Stewart

Steve Conley

Troy Edwards

Marvel Smith

Kendrell Bell

Kendall Simmons

Ricardo Colclough


This is just the short list of giant busts drafted by the sainted Cowher. Who, I repeat, went 6-10 TWICE before winning the Superbowl. Many of them continued to play (badly) long after they should have been shitcanned. I left Bruener off this list, even though he was slower than drying paint and had hands like brick basketballs, because he was at least a very good blocker.
 
I believe you can not see anything you do not want to, BEN WAS A COWHER GUY WITH OUT HIM THE BALL DOES NOT GET THERE NOBODY CATCHES ANYTHING

So one dude, on the whole offense. Eleven starting players. One is 90% of eleven?? REALLY? Where did you go to school to learn that math?
 

Jamain Stephens

Will Blackwell

Scott Shields

Kordell Stewart

Steve Conley

Troy Edwards

Marvel Smith

Kendrell Bell

Kendall Simmons

Ricardo Colclough


This is just the short list of giant busts drafted by the sainted Cowher. Who, I repeat, went 6-10 TWICE before winning the Superbowl. Many of them continued to play (badly) long after they should have been shitcanned. I left Bruener off this list, even though he was slower than drying paint and had hands like brick basketballs, because he was at least a very good blocker.

In what universe were Smith, Bell and Simmons "giant busts."
 

Jamain Stephens

Will Blackwell

Scott Shields

Kordell Stewart

Steve Conley

Troy Edwards

Marvel Smith

Kendrell Bell

Kendall Simmons

Ricardo Colclough

I can't see how you can call Kordell, Kendrel, and Marvel busts? Simmons career was cut short due to diabetes. Have to disagree with you on those 4
 
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