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Kenny

steel dino said:
Agreed for most part TDX....

But I also watched TB play...and I cant give Big Ben the nod over Terry...

Terry ----by far and away... was the better big game QB than Ben...

In fact---you could bet your bottom dollar....the bigger the game....number 12 was showing up...BIG TIME!

After all---that's how Terry Bradshaw got elected into the HOF...
It certainly wasn't his overall stats.
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TB, the original not the pretender, was so damn clutch in big games

Like Robert Horry on steroids clutch

We’re super lucky to have had 2 of the all time greats
 
slashsteel said:
And you have the unknown count that was influenced by cheating.Good ol Rog made sure there was no evidence to view.
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And it's mostly forgotten about other than a joke about deflated footballs, which came later on.

That's how history works.

But we know that whole set up was bullshit. The defensive part was a dead giveaway.
 
Steelr4evr said:
And it's mostly forgotten about other than a joke about deflated footballs, which came later on.

That's how history works.

But we know that whole set up was bullshit. The defensive part was a dead giveaway.
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That is why any significant records by them should be discounted. How many of those trophies were influenced by cheating?

...nobody can answer that as it is an unknown. We just know it existed and contributed...
 
Steeltime said:
Do you actually watch NFL games? I am asking seriously. Love had 6 TD's his first two games that included two passes of less than 5 yards and a ball that ricocheted off Doubs and wound up being caught by Jayden Reed for a TD, against a terrible Bears defense and a bad Falcons defense. Since those first two games, he has thrown 4 TD's and 7 picks. His opponents in 2023 have been the Bears, Falcons, Saints, Lions, Raiders and Broncos. The only good defense he has faced is the Saints.

He put up 17 points, 180 yards and 5.8 YPA against the Broncos - the team that gave up 70 to the Dolphins.

If the dude played the 49ers, Ravens and Clowns, he would be obliterated. If only the two QB's had a common opponent at the same location we could compare ... oh, right, both played the Raiders in Las Vegas.

Pickett 16-28 235 yards 8.4 YPA 2 TD's 0 picks
Love 16-30 182 yards 6.1 YPA 0 TD's 3 picks

Wow, close call.
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I live in Wisconsin and watch all the packers games. Im looking at a QB that has 276 attempts. At that point in KP’s career he had 3 tds to 8 ints. He makes stupid decisions but so did Pickett at that point in his career. I will say Pickett’s decision making since about start 7 or 8 has been pretty mistake free. Might not take the chances a vet would but also doesn’t throw it into double coverage much. That’s Love’s next step if he is allowed to make one. He’s 24, has a good arm, but he came from Nevada to the NFL. If he is to succeed you probably going to take a few lumps. So far he’s playing decent but lots of room for improvement. I think if Clifford comes in it’s probably over for Love. Not because Clifford will be “the guy” just Clifford is 25 and played a ton of football. One read and throw is what he does. Quick decisive play and if that throw isn’t there he will scramble for a few and move chains. Once that happens Love will be hated amongst Packer fans. Hell, he already is. But look at A-a-rons last year with this group. 64.5% 3695 yards 26 tds 12 ints. Not very Rodgers like. And look at the packs offensive weapons and line compared to ours. Watson, Doubs, Reed, & Musgrave. Pickens, DJ, CA3, & Freiermuth. And believe it or not without David Bakhtiari their line is way worse than ours.

I guess what I am saying the jury is still out. Still out on Love, still out on Pickett, still out on Purdy. But you want to see improvement. Love hasn’t played enough to get a good litmus. KP has improved from his for few games to where he is today. Still need more but at least he’s headed in the right direction. Purdy had two poor games. And I guess the last game he had a concussion and that’s when he started throwing picks. So maybe see where he is when he starts next.
 
steelreeling said:
Remember when Kenny had to throw behing Kendrick


i'll be that ******* IRL.

2-->13th Aaron Rodgers: Mr. Choke-Artist (lone SuperBowl win because Ryan Clark could not out-rebound Jordy Nelson in the 3rd quarter because by that time in NFL history it was ILLEGAL to hit a WR while he was trying to catch the ball)

5--->10th Dan Marino: Great quarterback, truly one of the best... in the regular season. Playoffs and other critical games where Marino could not rack-up chunks plays against soft coverages, he fell short.

6--->9th OLD MAN Drew Brees: At 22, Drew came into the league sporting the 38-year old withered veteran look. He was one of the best pure passers the game has ever seen. His defense let him down too often but he also choked very often and hard in many playoff games - similar fashion to Rodgers.

10--->12th Warren Moon: Warren Moon was Randall Cunningham before Randall Cunningham was Randall Cunningham. And Moon had an even more powerful of a cannon than Brees did. Powerful and uniques at getting out of trouble, Moon never completely command the offense, score points like other QBs as he could not drive down the field with makeable passes.

Big Ben is definitely No. 5 - in front of Steve Young.
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Valid reasons, yet I don't think you will find any "expert" outside of Pittsburgh that would rank Ben among the top 5 QB's of all time...let alone in the top 10.
They all cant hate Ben can they?

Ben is absent here:

Honorable Mention here:

Ben is 22nd here:

22nd here:

19th here:

18th here:

Getting closer. 13th here:

I give up.
 
slashsteel said:
Nope definitely not. Still he can become a solid QB. Just as easy he can flame out.

One thing positive other than his late in the game ability is his work ethic. There is no doubt that he will be giving it his all moving forward. I can't crystal ball say that will catapult him to franchise status but I think it raises the floor to he probably won't flame out....

Hopefully he will continue working on those happy feet.

Maybe he just needs to go to his happy place.😁
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Sometimes, that “happy“ place is all there is———————————-

I think this coaching staff has difficulties on coaching players up. I think (coaching staff) can talk all day long but not translate it to the field of play.

Kenny will seek help, both now in season but most importantly, durring the off-season. His mechanics will greatly improve throw outside help and show on the field of play.


Salute the nation
 
madinsomniac said:
Ill tell you this… in the last 2 minutes of the half and 4th quarter, there isn’t a single qb id take over Ben… Manning might be close, but most of his were low pressure comebacks…

Brady was a lot of meh comebacks… if you subtracted frfrom the record book ones where the qb either didn’t get a first down, or got like one first down already in field goal range, and they won on a field goal, id bet he would be like 5th all time in comebacks instead of first
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Sorry madinsomniac, t*mmyb*y gets ZERO placement. Not enough Honest Abe data And way to much cheating ****-er data.



Salute the nation
 
Steeltime said:
Pickett beat Lamar Jackson.
Jackson is rated 7th in ESPN's ratings.
Jackson is rated 7th per CBS sports rankings.
Lamar Jackson has the 3rd highest passer rating in 2023.
Pickett beat Matthew Stafford.
Stafford is rated 14th in ESPN's ratings.
Stafford is rated 14th in CBS sports rankings.

How many other QB's in the NFL have beaten TWO of the top 14 QB's this season?
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AGAIN. And he can't win a game where he isn't on the plus side of turnovers.

Jackson and Stafford were on the - side if turnovers. They threw costly interceptions and the defense played well. Again in all of his starts Pickett can't win vs. a good QB without the defense producing turnovers for him! Forget the even games in turnovers or any game where we were on the - side of turnovers. This goes for his career.


He is a game manger who needs the defense and turnovers for the offense to win. Forget games vs. playoff qb's!

Got it? Now you may try to move me wrong.

10-26-23
 
FordFairLane said:
Yeah. 71k yards and Super Bowl winner Favre and manning.
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And yet, I smell recency bias. You're really leaving Montana off your list of top 5 QBs in the (modern) NFL. but put Marino #2? I mean if tossing the ball all around the field for a bunch of yards and TDs during the regular season while winning no SBs is your criteria, sure. For me, it's hard to argue with 4 Super Bowls and 3 Super Bowl MVPs.
 
Coach said:
AGAIN. And he can't win a game where he isn't on the plus side of turnovers.

Jackson and Stafford were on the - side if turnovers. They threw costly interceptions and the defense played well. Again in all of his starts Pickett can't win vs. a good QB without the defense producing turnovers for him! Forget the even games in turnovers or any game where we were on the - side of turnovers. This goes for his career.


He is a game manger who needs the defense and turnovers for the offense to win. Forget games vs. playoff qb's!

Got it? Now you may try to move me wrong.

10-26-23
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so you can just move the goal posts again?

you are wrong 99.9999995234% of the time

your opinion is not fact

your opinion is just bullshit
 
CoolieMan said:
so you can just move the goal posts again?

you are wrong 99.9999995234% of the time

your opinion is not fact

your opinion is just bullshit
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Someone needs to change his screen name from "Coach" to "Mongo"

MONGO say kenny picket no good. He BAD! Hims only win when Defense GOOD! When Defense bad, Kenny BAD! Only when defense good, Kenny Good! ESPN no say what you say! fool! Move me wrong!
 
SteelBuckeye said:
And yet, I smell recency bias. You're really leaving Montana off your list of top 5 QBs in the (modern) NFL. but put Marino #2? I mean if tossing the ball all around the field for a bunch of yards and TDs during the regular season while winning no SBs is your criteria, sure. For me, it's hard to argue with 4 Super Bowls and 3 Super Bowl MVPs.
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Montana is hard to leave off the list. I would probably have him 6th but wouldn't argue if someone had him 2nd/3rd. It is pick your flavor.
 
Coach said:
AGAIN. And he can't win a game where he isn't on the plus side of turnovers.
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You said he couldn't win a game against a top-14 (why 14?) QB, and I showed he has done it twice in six games this season. Are you arguing with me or yourself?

Coach said:
Jackson and Stafford were on the - side if turnovers. They threw costly interceptions and the defense played well.
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So Pickett needs to win games against Jackson and Stafford while throwing interceptions and that will show he is a better QB - that's your argument?

Coach said:
Again in all of his starts Pickett can't win vs. a good QB without the defense producing turnovers for him!
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Didn't Ben win a lot of playoff games because the defense forced turnovers and he limited his turnovers? Isn't one of the QB's primary jobs not turning the ball over?

So Pickett is now less of a QB because the Steelers defense forces turnovers from the other team's QB, including some good QB's while Kenny does not turn the ball over? That's the argument?

Coach said:
Forget the even games in turnovers or any game where we were on the - side of turnovers. This goes for his career.

He is a game manger who needs the defense and turnovers for the offense to win. Forget games vs. playoff qb's!
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Garoppolo, Watson, Jackson and Stafford are playoff QB's. Those four have a combined playoff record of 11-10 with 2 Super Bowl appearances.

4-0 this year against them.

Know why those guys lost playoff games? They lost the turnover battle.

Coach said:
Got it? Now you may try to move me wrong.

10-26-23
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You claimed that Pickett "could not beat a top-14 QB." Wrong. Twice in 6 games wrong. Task accomplished. Do I move up to the next level of "Prove Coach Wrong"?

What you seem to be arguing actually is that "Kenny Pickett cannot beat top-14 QB's with substantial playoff experience where the opposing QB makes no mistake and does not turn the ball over and Kenny turns the ball over."

Okay. Sure. You go with that.
 
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Coach said:
AGAIN. And he can't win a game where he isn't on the plus side of turnovers.

Jackson and Stafford were on the - side if turnovers. They threw costly interceptions and the defense played well. Again in all of his starts Pickett can't win vs. a good QB without the defense producing turnovers for him! Forget the even games in turnovers or any game where we were on the - side of turnovers. This goes for his career.


He is a game manger who needs the defense and turnovers for the offense to win. Forget games vs. playoff qb's!

Got it? Now you may try to move me wrong.

10-26-23
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You do realize that most NFL QBs don't win games that they are not on the plus side of turnovers, right?
I mean, that's a basic part of the game. Otherwise, everyone would be throwing the ball around willy nilly and not worrying about turnovers at all.
Take Burrow and Allen. If the Bengals play the Bills and the Bills get 3 turnovers to 1 for the Bengals, I'm saying the Bills win that game 95% of the time and there ain't **** McCauley can do about it.
Also, it's part of the Defense's job to create turnovers. That's called complimentary football.
So, I'm asking what's your point with these statements?
 
Coach said:
No, fool. It's not ESPN who says that. Again with the reading issues
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See, it's the douchebaggery moves like calling valued posters names that helps bolster folks disdain for you on here. That **** isn't even remotely necessary to state or bolster your opinion.
 
bigben said:
Favre!? LOL Manning was a great regular season QB, playoffs he was a choke artist more often than not.
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Manning won 2 SB's with 2 different teams, if I'm not mistaken in commanding fashion. Ben on the other hand was sub-par vs. Seattle.
Against GB I blame mostly Mendenhall and Ben to a smaller extent.

Ben never choked in the playoffs?
Did we beat Mannings Colts in the playoffs or was it simply a case of Manning choking?

Thank God for Ben in that game... phew!!! The fumble. The Bus must be still thanking him. I remember the story about Ben promising The Bus a Super Bowl if he stuck around one more year. That may have gone through Ben's mind causing his adrenalin to shoot up enabling him to trip up that DB. LOL
 
Coach said:
AGAIN. And he can't win a game where he isn't on the plus side of turnovers.

Jackson and Stafford were on the - side if turnovers. They threw costly interceptions and the defense played well. Again in all of his starts Pickett can't win vs. a good QB without the defense producing turnovers for him! Forget the even games in turnovers or any game where we were on the - side of turnovers. This goes for his career.


He is a game manger who needs the defense and turnovers for the offense to win. Forget games vs. playoff qb's!

Got it? Now you may try to move me wrong.

10-26-23
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You're wrong coach. Pickett is probably the second best QB this franchise has ever drafted, and quite possibly the best. I've been watching clips of his performances and I don't think anyone realizes just how good this guy is.
 
Badcat said:
Someone needs to change his screen name from "Coach" to "Mongo"

MONGO say kenny picket no good. He BAD! Hims only win when Defense GOOD! When Defense bad, Kenny BAD! Only when defense good, Kenny Good! ESPN no say what you say! fool! Move me wrong!
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Insert QB _________name_______ that wins when defense is playing bad (definition of bad is debatable). Most QBs win when their defense is playing good.

I'm just showing how insane some of the accusations of coooch's really are.

The MONGO is awesome comparison.


Salute the nation
 
Steeltime said:
You said he couldn't win a game against a top-14 (why 14?) QB, and I showed he has done it twice in six games this season. Are you arguing with me or yourself?



So Pickett needs to win games against Jackson and Stafford while throwing interceptions and that will show he is a better QB - that's your argument?



Didn't Ben win a lot of playoff games because the defense forced turnovers and he limited his turnovers? Isn't one of the QB's primary jobs not turning the ball over?

So Pickett is now less of a QB because the Steelers defense forces turnovers from the other team's QB, including some good QB's while Kenny does not turn the ball over? That's the argument?



Garoppolo, Watson, Jackson and Stafford are playoff QB's. Those four have a combined playoff record of 11-10 with 2 Super Bowl appearances.

4-0 this year against them.

Know why those guys lost playoff games? They lost the turnover battle.



You claimed that Pickett "could not beat a top-14 QB." Wrong. Twice in 6 games wrong. Task accomplished. Do I move up to the next level of "Prove Coach Wrong"?

What you seem to be arguing actually is that "Kenny Pickett cannot beat top-14 QB's with substantial playoff experience where the opposing QB makes no mistake and does not turn the ball over and Kenny turns the ball over."

Okay. Sure. You go with that.
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SteelBuckeye said:
You do realize that most NFL QBs don't win games that they are not on the plus side of turnovers, right?
I mean, that's a basic part of the game. Otherwise, everyone would be throwing the ball around willy nilly and not worrying about turnovers at all.
Take Burrow and Allen. If the Bengals play the Bills and the Bills get 3 turnovers to 1 for the Bengals, I'm saying the Bills win that game 95% of the time and there ain't **** McCauley can do about it.
Also, it's part of the Defense's job to create turnovers. That's called complimentary football.
So, I'm asking what's your point with these statements?
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Both you guys know you are pushing rope uphill right...................... just don't turn it over or you'll be ****-ed. Your audience (coooch) seems to be attention deficient.



Salute the nation
 
FordFairLane said:
Montana is hard to leave off the list. I would probably have him 6th but wouldn't argue if someone had him 2nd/3rd. It is pick your flavor.
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Montana would have some really lofty numbers playing in this era… Marino probably would have had like 100,000 yards passing…
 
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