• Please be aware we've switched the forums to their own URL. (again) You'll find the new website address to be www.steelernationforum.com Thanks
  • Please clear your private messages. Your inbox is close to being full.

Let the rumor mill roll - bad QB version

Apparently Carr hasn't looked great in Black and Gold the last two years.

40 TDS and 13 INTs in his 2 seasons there and last season cut short by injury.

He has not been their problem, he’s actually been pretty good for them and would be better than anything we’ve had post Ben…which ain’t sayin much. He’s simply owed too much for their cap situation.
 
40 TDS and 13 INTs in his 2 seasons there and last season cut short by injury.

He has not been their problem, he’s actually been pretty good for them and would be better than anything we’ve had post Ben…which ain’t sayin much. He’s simply owed too much for their cap situation.
2023 New Orleans played a lot of bad teams and had the easiest schedule in the NFL.

2024 most of Carr's stats came in 4 games against bad teams - @Dallas, home to Cleveland, Atlanta and Carolina. 6 touchdowns in his other six games, which included 3 games away to bad teams.

2024 Wilson played 1 more regular season game than Carr. Wilson 5 against good teams, Carr 3; Wilson 6 against mediocre and bad teams, Carr 7 against mediocre and bad teams. Wilson had 300 more yards, 1 more touchdown and same number of interceptions.

And if you take into account his rushing contributions from his 6 games as starter, Fields had marginally less per game yardage, marginally more touchdowns and one-third as many interceptions per game. Fields probably played fewer bad teams but also not as many very good teams as Carr.

Looking at 2024 stats and quality of opposition I'm not sure Carr would be better than anything the Steelers have had since Ben. He'd likely be similarly mediocre.
 
Last edited:
2023 New Orleans played a lot of bad teams and had the easiest schedule in the NFL.

2024 most of Carr's stats came in 4 games against bad teams - @Dallas, home to Cleveland, Atlanta and Carolina. 6 touchdowns in his other six games, which included 3 games away to bad teams.

2024 Wilson played 1 more regular season game than Carr. Wilson 5 against good teams, Carr 3; Wilson 6 against mediocre and bad teams, Carr 7 against mediocre and bad teams. Wilson had 300 more yards, 1 more touchdown and same number of interceptions.

And if you take into account his rushing contributions from his 6 games as starter, Fields had marginally less per game yardage, marginally more touchdowns and one-third as many interceptions per game. Fields probably played fewer bad teams but also not as many very good teams as Carr.

Looking at 2024 stats and quality of opposition I'm not sure Carr would be better than anything the Steelers have had since Ben. He'd likely be similarly mediocre.
Add into this the fact he will be playing in the Steelers junior High level offense.....yeah. mediocre probably at best.
 
2023 New Orleans played a lot of bad teams and had the easiest schedule in the NFL.

2024 most of Carr's stats came in 4 games against bad teams - @Dallas, home to Cleveland, Atlanta and Carolina. 6 touchdowns in his other six games, which included 3 games away to bad teams.

2024 Wilson played 1 more regular season game than Carr. Wilson 5 against good teams, Carr 3; Wilson 6 against mediocre and bad teams, Carr 7 against mediocre and bad teams. Wilson had 300 more yards, 1 more touchdown and same number of interceptions.

And if you take into account his rushing contributions from his 6 games as starter, Fields had marginally less per game yardage, marginally more touchdowns and one-third as many interceptions per game. Fields probably played fewer bad teams but also not as many very good teams as Carr.

Looking at 2024 stats and quality of opposition I'm not sure Carr would be better than anything the Steelers have had since Ben. He'd likely be similarly mediocre.

Nice break down Aussie_Steeler, thanks for all your great post(s) along the way.

Unfortunately for just about any QB out there, playing in the Tomlin System is going to make them look mediocre.

The System had Ben Roethlisberger “tuned down” to simply mediocre. Until BEN took things into his own hands (7 4th qtr comeback wins), is what saved Ben from being Tomlinized.

Put the NFL’s Golden boy Mahomes back there, same circumstances and he would fail to mediocre.

Fortunately, we will see subtle changes and some progress in the “system” allowing QBs to look a little bit better but remain in Groundhog Day for awhile.



Salute the nation
 
Couple of things

1) Rodger’s is done, stick the fork. 40years old and leaking

2) Fields is a FA, we have to sign him just like any other team can. He has indicated he wants to return to Pittsburgh but sometimes when the $$$coin$$$ is flashed in front of a player,…….. decisions and wants can change.

BONUS: I think the Lawrence thing was not valid. Pittsburgh is NOT going after Trevor.
———— Fields is as good a bridge QB as Trevor, and fields has a year in the “system”.


Salute the nation

Rodgers is 41 years old and will be 42 I believe in December. ..lol. That's like 120 in quarterback years...
 
I feel like the NFL has a full time staff dedicated to coming up with off season bullshit rumors. A first and a second. Could tgey have at least come up with a realistic asking package. He's another bad year from being a non starter. The Steelers got roughly the same player last year in Fields for a conditional 4th that wasa 6th. Like C'mon.
 
2023 New Orleans played a lot of bad teams and had the easiest schedule in the NFL.

2024 most of Carr's stats came in 4 games against bad teams - @Dallas, home to Cleveland, Atlanta and Carolina. 6 touchdowns in his other six games, which included 3 games away to bad teams.

2024 Wilson played 1 more regular season game than Carr. Wilson 5 against good teams, Carr 3; Wilson 6 against mediocre and bad teams, Carr 7 against mediocre and bad teams. Wilson had 300 more yards, 1 more touchdown and same number of interceptions.

And if you take into account his rushing contributions from his 6 games as starter, Fields had marginally less per game yardage, marginally more touchdowns and one-third as many interceptions per game. Fields probably played fewer bad teams but also not as many very good teams as Carr.

Looking at 2024 stats and quality of opposition I'm not sure Carr would be better than anything the Steelers have had since Ben. He'd likely be similarly mediocre.

true…just like Russ hit most his stats in games verse tomato cans so did Carr. But damn Carr did it with Dennis Allen…Dennis freakin’ Allen…one of the worst coaches in the league

Yeah we all realize Mike is mid AF, but freakin’ Dennis Allen…need I say more

I stand by my statement Carr at this point > Russ and it ain’t even that close

Carr> KFP…again not close, same for Mitch

Mason had his moments sure, still not better than Carr
JF could get there and I would prefer him, but he’s likely smart enough to go elsewhere

I stand by Carr better than anything we’ve had post Ben with JF being the one that could ascend beyond where Carr currently is.

It’s not like the Saints offense was loaded with any skill players either. They may be one of a handful of teams we have better skill players than.

I’m not saying by any means I want him as “the future” or endorse the move either…simply saying he’s better than bucket of suck we’ve been strutting out there…again a very low bar
 
Rodgers is 41 years old and will be 42 I believe in December. ..lol. That's like 120 in quarterback years...


Thanks for the update, He is still old as hellA and leaks fluids………


Salute the nation
 
After further thought, I believe the Steelers are crazy to make that deal and the Jags would be crazy to turn it down.

That would be a great way to set tour franchise back even more than the mediocrity that has been going on
Proof that they will sell the farm for stopgap veterans to keep that precious non-losing seasons streak alive.
If you have to give up a bunch of draft picks for an adequate veteran QB just to get to 9 wins, well that's a cost of doing business.
 
Last edited:
40 TDS and 13 INTs in his 2 seasons there and last season cut short by injury.

He has not been their problem, he’s actually been pretty good for them and would be better than anything we’ve had post Ben…which ain’t sayin much. He’s simply owed too much for their cap situation.
Rather have Fields.
 
IMO Fields should be thankful for any opportunity he gets, has a career 61% completion % and an 83 QB rating, and has fumbled 44 times and has started 44 games.
Actually Fields has an 83.9 career QB rating, and it was 93.3 last season with the Steelers. He had only one INT in 161 attempts in 2024. Plus, of course, his passing numbers don't include his rushing prowess. Fields also has had four different offensive coordinators in his four NFL seasons, so some year-to-year stability in that department should help him.

He's better than people think.
 
After further thought, I believe the Steelers are crazy to make that deal and the Jags would be crazy to turn it down.


Proof that they will sell the farm for stopgap veterans to keep that precious non-losing seasons streak alive.
If you have to give up a bunch of draft picks for an adequate veteran QB just to get to 9 wins, well that's a cost of doing business.
A first and second would be ridiculous when we have so many needs. Lawrence is not going to save the team w/o competent WRs or OL play.
 
true…just like Russ hit most his stats in games verse tomato cans so did Carr. But damn Carr did it with Dennis Allen…Dennis freakin’ Allen…one of the worst coaches in the league

Yeah we all realize Mike is mid AF, but freakin’ Dennis Allen…need I say more

I stand by my statement Carr at this point > Russ and it ain’t even that close

Carr> KFP…again not close, same for Mitch

Mason had his moments sure, still not better than Carr
JF could get there and I would prefer him, but he’s likely smart enough to go elsewhere

I stand by Carr better than anything we’ve had post Ben with JF being the one that could ascend beyond where Carr currently is.

It’s not like the Saints offense was loaded with any skill players either. They may be one of a handful of teams we have better skill players than.

I’m not saying by any means I want him as “the future” or endorse the move either…simply saying he’s better than bucket of suck we’ve been strutting out there…again a very low bar
Meh.....you can bring in any QB and they will not thrive here with our current offensibe philosophy and scheme. So who the **** cares if Carr is a little better than anything we have had here since Ben.....
 
Bringing in ANY QB not named Fields is only going to prolong the mediocrity. Carr will be 34 in March, Cousins 37 in Aug, Russ 37 in nov, Rodgers 42 in december, Stafford just turned 37...

Fields will be 26 in March...Based on age alone he's the obvious choice. There is no sure fire franchise guy in this years draft. You roll with Fields and hope for the best, and if he fails, you get a better draft position in a class that has better prospects. Unfortunately, because we are in this position to begin with, we are going to be linked to any and every QB at one point or another. And until we bring in a WR, all WR are headed our way as well...

I know the Browns have burned through a **** ton of starting QB's over the years, but have they ever really been in this spot of being linked to any and every QB on the market. I really haven't seen anything like this before. It's ridiculous
 
Bringing in ANY QB not named Fields is only going to prolong the mediocrity. Carr will be 34 in March, Cousins 37 in Aug, Russ 37 in nov, Rodgers 42 in december, Stafford just turned 37...

Fields will be 26 in March...Based on age alone he's the obvious choice. There is no sure fire franchise guy in this years draft. You roll with Fields and hope for the best, and if he fails, you get a better draft position in a class that has better prospects. Unfortunately, because we are in this position to begin with, we are going to be linked to any and every QB at one point or another. And until we bring in a WR, all WR are headed our way as well...

I know the Browns have burned through a **** ton of starting QB's over the years, but have they ever really been in this spot of being linked to any and every QB on the market. I really haven't seen anything like this before. It's ridiculous
Because no QB wanted to go to the browns and the steelers Fandom moves the media. All Steelers articles generates clicks at a faster rate than anything brown.
 
Actually Fields has an 83.9 career QB rating, and it was 93.3 last season with the Steelers. He had only one INT in 161 attempts in 2024. Plus, of course, his passing numbers don't include his rushing prowess. Fields also has had four different offensive coordinators in his four NFL seasons, so some year-to-year stability in that department should help him.

He's better than people think.
He looked exactly like Pickett did the year before, Pickett in his final 11 games only threw 2 INT's, but that's because he wasn't allowed to throw the ball downfield because conservative Mike didn't want to risk turnovers, same with Fields, the majority of his stuff was short safe passes.

I'm fine going with Fields next year, would actually prefer it to signing someone to alot of money, but Fields has started 44 games in the NFL, he is what he is. If anyone is thinking he's going to turn into anything more here under Mediocre Mike, well I've got some bad news for them.
 
I'm fine going with Fields next year, would actually prefer it to signing someone to alot of money, but Fields has started 44 games in the NFL, he is what he is. If anyone is thinking he's going to turn into anything more here under Mediocre Mike, well I've got some bad news for them.

Sam Darnold started 56 games before this past season. He looked a lot different, and had his best year by far. Just saying that 44 starts with 4 different OC's doesn't exactly give a finished product.
 
Who was his head coach?
Wasn't making a comment on who coached him, was commenting on not being able to say "he is what he is" with Fields based on his history. No one is going to look good with 4 OC's in 4 years. Constantly having to learn a new offense, never getting any type of stability. Not to mention his WR situations were worse than they are here, with even less of a running game.

You want to say he won't improve under Tomlin, I can buy that. You saying that he CAN'T improve and he is what he is based on 44 games, I'm not buying that one.
 
I'm fine going with Fields next year, would actually prefer it to signing someone to alot of money, but Fields has started 44 games in the NFL, he is what he is. If anyone is thinking he's going to turn into anything more here under Mediocre Mike, well I've got some bad news for them.
Agree 100%. You have to remember that the Steelers' goal post has moved. The goal is no longer winning championships and developing players, it's whatever short-term fix you need to get to 9 wins even if it means *gasp* firing your first coach in mid-season since 1945.
Letting Fields learn his craft and improve so you can compete for a championship in 3 or 4 years or sign a slightly above average vet who will get you to 9 wins, that's not even a question any more.
Remember Terry Bradshaw was not the starting QB when the 1974 season began.
 
Wasn't making a comment on who coached him, was commenting on not being able to say "he is what he is" with Fields based on his history. No one is going to look good with 4 OC's in 4 years. Constantly having to learn a new offense, never getting any type of stability. Not to mention his WR situations were worse than they are here, with even less of a running game.

You want to say he won't improve under Tomlin, I can buy that. You saying that he CAN'T improve and he is what he is based on 44 games, I'm not buying that one.
Well how many QB's were average at best after 44 games, then all of sudden got it? You usually know what you have in most QB's after that many starts, and Darnold had a great year, but totally crapped the bed the last two games with everything on the line.
 
Actually Fields has an 83.9 career QB rating, and it was 93.3 last season with the Steelers. He had only one INT in 161 attempts in 2024. Plus, of course, his passing numbers don't include his rushing prowess. Fields also has had four different offensive coordinators in his four NFL seasons, so some year-to-year stability in that department should help him.

He's better than people think.

I hear this, I also think they should bring him back. He will take a step up and just maybe tap a little of that 1st round pick talent he was noted for.

I also feel Trevor L. Is a huge mistake, but we don’t have to worry about that even happening. False news from several accounts, DK Sports (I think that was who I heard it from), being one of them.

In any event, Justin has a year in this system (regardless of system quality), and should take a step up both in his play and in the OC’s play calling.


Salute the n ation
 
Well how many QB's were average at best after 44 games, then all of sudden got it? You usually know what you have in most QB's after that many starts, and Darnold had a great year, but totally crapped the bed the last two games with everything on the line.
Detroit was able to get pressure on Darnold early and throw him off his game. They only sacked him twice, but they hit him 10 other times. LA stepped it up further and got even more pressure on him, sacking him 9 times and hitting him another 12 times. Show me a QB that wouldn't have crumbled under that kind of pressure! Mahomes crumbled in the SB under that pressure.

How many QB's showed improvement on a new team after just 6 games? Fields was showing improvement and only got sat down because Tomlin promised Wilson the starting role from the get go.

Point is, judging anyone coming out of a dumpster fire like Chicago is just pointless.
 
Top