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Let the rumor mill roll - bad QB version

Litos said:
Because no QB wanted to go to the browns and the steelers Fandom moves the media. All Steelers articles generates clicks at a faster rate than anything brown.
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The Steelers fandom respond and click to dang near every & anything put out there. “Professional Journalists” count on and know career promotion in the clicks.

Hard to find 15 Browns fans who can read……………


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insaniti said:
Detroit was able to get pressure on Darnold early and throw him off his game. They only sacked him twice, but they hit him 10 other times. LA stepped it up further and got even more pressure on him, sacking him 9 times and hitting him another 12 times. Show me a QB that wouldn't have crumbled under that kind of pressure! Mahomes crumbled in the SB under that pressure.

How many QB's showed improvement on a new team after just 6 games? Fields was showing improvement and only got sat down because Tomlin promised Wilson the starting role from the get go.

Point is, judging anyone coming out of a dumpster fire like Chicago is just pointless.
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How many QB's left the team that drafted them and went onto to have a good starting career? Darnold has had 1 good season for 3 teams, Mayfield,
QB's are different, Brian Billick said you can usually tell what you have in a QB after 30 starts. Fields showed improvement because they wouldn't let him throw any real NFL passes, everything was check down, nothing over the middle. Like I said I hope they go with him over paying some free agent big money, but I'm not expecting much more than we saw from any of our QB's over the last 4 seasons because Tomlin won't loosen the reigns on the offense.
 
Fields was playing just as Tomlin wanted, but he put in Russ when he got healthy because " pedigree".

Fields can play in Tomlins run only offense because he can run. Most other qb's are as nimble.
 
Coryea said:
How many QB's left the team that drafted them and went onto to have a good starting career? Darnold has had 1 good season for 3 teams, Mayfield,
QB's are different, Brian Billick said you can usually tell what you have in a QB after 30 starts. Fields showed improvement because they wouldn't let him throw any real NFL passes, everything was check down, nothing over the middle. Like I said I hope they go with him over paying some free agent big money, but I'm not expecting much more than we saw from any of our QB's over the last 4 seasons because Tomlin won't loosen the reigns on the offense.
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I think you need to watch some film of his games with us. No real NFL passes? That's a joke. Watch denver, LAC, and even the Indy game. When they started to get comfortable with him within the offense, and opened it up A LITTLE bit, he showed he's more than capable. There's several different youtube videos with breakdowns of his play in those games that you can see you are dead wrong.

You don't put up 312 yards passing on 9.2 yards per attempt without throwing "real NFL throws", and this was after throwing for 245, with 7.7 yards per attempt against a REALLY good chargers D.
 
insaniti said:
I think you need to watch some film of his games with us. No real NFL passes? That's a joke. Watch denver, LAC, and even the Indy game. When they started to get comfortable with him within the offense, and opened it up A LITTLE bit, he showed he's more than capable. There's several different youtube videos with breakdowns of his play in those games that you can see you are dead wrong.

You don't put up 312 yards passing on 9.2 yards per attempt without throwing "real NFL throws", and this was after throwing for 245, with 7.7 yards per attempt against a REALLY good chargers D.
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JP Losman once threw for 328 yards and 340 in the same season, that doesn't make him more than capable. If you think he was running a legit NFL passing offense, then I think you need to watch some film. Pickett threw for 327 and 257 in a 3 week span while here as a rookie, was he running a legit NFL offense? Sure they let Fields throw it downfield once in a while, but no way anyone watches the offense with him or any QB and thinks yeah this is a real offense.
Fields is a stop gap QB, and that's fine.
We threw the ball all over the field at Cincy, for over 400 yards, then Tomlin just totally shut the passing game down after that because that isn't what he wants.
 
I don’t like to lock a QB into something unless they show franchise then I am ok locking into that label.

So I won’t lock Justin into not being a starter. Think he can possibly be that an ok one. Possibly.

But not sure he is more than that or that.

Hard to get a full grasp on it, on an offense I felt was middling at best with a middling head coach steering the ship.

Not entirely sure resigning him is what is best for him or the Steelers. But they have to do something.

I would prefer an upgrade than what they had last year but it is looking like that won’t be.

I think what I am seeing now is Justin being a high end backup and Wilson looking like that fork should be ready for sticking.

That is what I see anyways.
 
slashsteel said:
I don’t like to lock a QB into something unless they show franchise then I am ok locking into that label.

So I won’t lock Justin into not being a starter. Think he can possibly be that an ok one. Possibly.

But not sure he is more than that or that.

Hard to get a full grasp on it, on an offense I felt was middling at best with a middling head coach steering the ship.

Not entirely sure resigning him is what is best for him or the Steelers. But they have to do something.

I would prefer an upgrade than what they had last year but it is looking like that won’t be.

I think what I am seeing now is Justin being a high end backup and Wilson looking like that fork should be ready for sticking.

That is what I see anyways.
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That's where I'm at, I don't think Fields is horrible, but I see him as a career back up and looking like a gap QB until we find our guy
 
Coryea said:
He looked exactly like Pickett did the year before, Pickett in his final 11 games only threw 2 INT's, but that's because he wasn't allowed to throw the ball downfield because conservative Mike didn't want to risk turnovers, same with Fields, the majority of his stuff was short safe passes.
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Fields looked exactly like Pickett did in 2023? What the hell are you talking about? You're not including Pickett's first game as a starter because...he threw two INTs and it doesn't help your argument? Pickett was worse than Fields in practically every passing category:

Passer rating: JF 93.3 KP 81.4
Completion %: 65.8 to 62.0
TD %: 3.1 to 1.9
INT %: 0.6 to 1.2
1st down success rate: 42.9 to 40.3
YPA: 6.9 to 6.4

Were they exactly the same rushing the ball? You already know that answer, but here are the numbers:
KP: 42 rushes for 54 yards and 1 touchdown in 13 starts
JF: 55 rushes for 234 yards and 5 touchdowns in 6 starts

They ran a similar conservative system, yeah, but they are nothing alike.
Coryea said:
I'm fine going with Fields next year, would actually prefer it to signing someone to alot of money, but Fields has started 44 games in the NFL, he is what he is. If anyone is thinking he's going to turn into anything more here under Mediocre Mike, well I've got some bad news for them.
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Any QB is going to be handicapped under MT's thumb, but Fields' running ability at least gives him a better chance to achieve some success.
 
topseed said:
Fields looked exactly like Pickett did in 2023? What the hell are you talking about? You're not including Pickett's first game as a starter because...he threw two INTs and it doesn't help your argument? Pickett was worse than Fields in practically every passing category:

Passer rating: JF 93.3 KP 81.4
Completion %: 65.8 to 62.0
TD %: 3.1 to 1.9
INT %: 0.6 to 1.2
1st down success rate: 42.9 to 40.3
YPA: 6.9 to 6.4

Were they exactly the same rushing the ball? You already know that answer, but here are the numbers:
KP: 42 rushes for 54 yards and 1 touchdown in 13 starts
JF: 55 rushes for 234 yards and 5 touchdowns in 6 starts

They ran a similar conservative system, yeah, but they are nothing alike.

Any QB is going to be handicapped under MT's thumb, but Fields' running ability at least gives him a better chance to achieve some success.
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Some success sure. Perhaps a slightly better than .500 season.

Not sure him or the head coach gives you more than that.

If I had to gamble on one or the other, I would give Fields a slightly better chance than Mike at achieving that but yeah that is not saying much.

I would love to be wrong as sure some QBs bloom late . It does happen here and there.

We pretty much know from MT’s track record it won’t happen here. He should run not walk away if he wants a chance to bloom in the NFL.

That I feel strongly about.
 
slashsteel said:
I don’t like to lock a QB into something unless they show franchise then I am ok locking into that label.

So I won’t lock Justin into not being a starter. Think he can possibly be that an ok one. Possibly.

But not sure he is more than that or that.

Hard to get a full grasp on it, on an offense I felt was middling at best with a middling head coach steering the ship.

Not entirely sure resigning him is what is best for him or the Steelers. But they have to do something.

I would prefer an upgrade than what they had last year but it is looking like that won’t be.

I think what I am seeing now is Justin being a high end backup and Wilson looking like that fork should be ready for sticking.

That is what I see anyways.
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I’d like lotsa upgrades:

Better QB
Better RBs
Better WRs
Better OL
Better DL
Better DBs

But most of all, better coaching

I guess ya gotta start somewhere tho and they appear to try to be addressing the trenches so a franchise or even GOOD QB would be refreshing since we all know better coaching is at least 3 years away.

Not sure even how to evaluate several players on the roster anymore with how the coaching staff deploys them.
 
Coryea said:
JP Losman once threw for 328 yards and 340 in the same season, that doesn't make him more than capable. If you think he was running a legit NFL passing offense, then I think you need to watch some film. Pickett threw for 327 and 257 in a 3 week span while here as a rookie, was he running a legit NFL offense? Sure they let Fields throw it downfield once in a while, but no way anyone watches the offense with him or any QB and thinks yeah this is a real offense.
Fields is a stop gap QB, and that's fine.
We threw the ball all over the field at Cincy, for over 400 yards, then Tomlin just totally shut the passing game down after that because that isn't what he wants.
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Is he not throwing real NFL passes or not running a real offense? Like I said, watch some film, not just stats.

And for the record, Jalen Hurts threw for under 200 yards 8 times this season, must not be able to throw real NFL passes or run a real offense...see how stupid that sounds when you just use stats without context and film?
 
slashsteel said:
I don’t like to lock a QB into something unless they show franchise then I am ok locking into that label.

So I won’t lock Justin into not being a starter. Think he can possibly be that an ok one. Possibly.

But not sure he is more than that or that.

Hard to get a full grasp on it, on an offense I felt was middling at best with a middling head coach steering the ship.

Not entirely sure resigning him is what is best for him or the Steelers. But they have to do something.

I would prefer an upgrade than what they had last year but it is looking like that won’t be.

I think what I am seeing now is Justin being a high end backup and Wilson looking like that fork should be ready for sticking.

That is what I see anyways.
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I hear yaz slash, but it’s real SAD that we have to realize we have a very limited offensive scheme. That is in sole, the most important fault of this whole scenario.

Bring in a “high” end QB and he will be frustrated by being held back. A similar situation with BEN and BEN had enough dominance in the franchise , he did things his way. Something a new HIGH end QB might not have the savoy to pull off.

Justin has proven himself in this system, both execution and “yes” man to Tomlinized scheme. It doesn’t appear as though there is a HUGE step up from Justin to as what is available to the Steelers, unless drafted dark-horse.

It sucks to be in this predicament, but it is a hard find to get that duplicate of Ben Roethlisberger again. Unless Tom Lin gets another 3 yr extension (even if he does I doubt he finds one), I don’t see this coaching regime able to get and develop the Franchise QB that will be here for a long career.

Tomlin’s crew watched KFP grow up next door, had full access to his entire career and yet…………. Took a third round talent in the first round. I don’t have a lot of faith in the Mike Tomlin QB guru side of things.


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Drink IRON City said:
I hear yaz slash, but it’s real SAD that we have to realize we have a very limited offensive scheme. That is in sole, the most important fault of this whole scenario.

Bring in a “high” end QB and he will be frustrated by being held back. A similar situation with BEN and BEN had enough dominance in the franchise , he did things his way. Something a new HIGH end QB might not have the savoy to pull off.

Justin has proven himself in this system, both execution and “yes” man to Tomlinized scheme. It doesn’t appear as though there is a HUGE step up from Justin to as what is available to the Steelers, unless drafted dark-horse.

It sucks to be in this predicament, but it is a hard find to get that duplicate of Ben Roethlisberger again. Unless Tom Lin gets another 3 yr extension (even if he does I doubt he finds one), I don’t see this coaching regime able to get and develop the Franchise QB that will be here for a long career.

Tomlin’s crew watched KFP grow up next door, had full access to his entire career and yet…………. Took a third round talent in the first round. I don’t have a lot of faith in the Mike Tomlin QB guru side of things.
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That's why they need to bring in Aaron Rodgers. Someone who's a head case and says, "F you Shades, F you Art, Imma throw over the middle."

 
Ron Burgundy said:
That's why they need to bring in Aaron Rodgers. Someone who's a head case and says, "F you Shades, F you Art, Imma throw over the middle."

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Thing is Aaron has a fork in his hand. He might be primed for insertion…
 
slashsteel said:
Thing is Aaron has a fork in his hand. He might be primed for insertion…
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He doesn’t need the fork, he is already leaking fluids………………..


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topseed said:
Fields looked exactly like Pickett did in 2023? What the hell are you talking about? You're not including Pickett's first game as a starter because...he threw two INTs and it doesn't help your argument? Pickett was worse than Fields in practically every passing category:

Passer rating: JF 93.3 KP 81.4
Completion %: 65.8 to 62.0
TD %: 3.1 to 1.9
INT %: 0.6 to 1.2
1st down success rate: 42.9 to 40.3
YPA: 6.9 to 6.4

Were they exactly the same rushing the ball? You already know that answer, but here are the numbers:
KP: 42 rushes for 54 yards and 1 touchdown in 13 starts
JF: 55 rushes for 234 yards and 5 touchdowns in 6 starts

They ran a similar conservative system, yeah, but they are nothing alike.

Any QB is going to be handicapped under MT's thumb, but Fields' running ability at least gives him a better chance to achieve some success.
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I left those two games out because the person I was replying to cherry picked two games to show how good Fields was. They were forced to play the same conservative offense, that's what the hell I'm talking about. I'm not saying the stats were identical, never said anything about comparing their stats.
 
insaniti said:

Daniel Jones has entered the chat.

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Coryea said:
I left those two games out because the person I was replying to cherry picked two games to show how good Fields was. They were forced to play the same conservative offense, that's what the hell I'm talking about. I'm not saying the stats were identical, never said anything about comparing their stats.
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You left ONE game out, not two. Pickett played in a total of 12 games in 2023.

Yeah, it's hard to believe that you said: "He looked exactly like Pickett did the year before," yet somehow didn't really mean it, until I pointed out all of their glaring dissimilarities. Funny how that works.

Fields was almost 12 points better than Pickett in passer rating. That's not close, it's 15% better. The rushing stats speak for themselves, and even when you insist that we somehow shouldn't compare the statistics, anybody with a set of working eyeballs can see that JF's running ability alone sets him clearly apart from Pickett.
 
Coryea said:
Start the campaign, "Tank for Manning"
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Lmao
I remember people saying Tank for Jameis
And many others along the way

At 2-0 in his career and looking meh vs the Bulldogs when he came to relieve Ewers that’s about as solid a strategy as Mike employs any given gameday. Dude has beat a couple tomato cans and looked meh vs a real D…he’s gotta show something this year beyond a nameplate on a jersey.

****, he’d go back for his senior season if Mike was at pick 1 waiting to ruin him.
 
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