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Let’s be realistic for a minute.

Lloyd said:
He's not as good as the Steelers try to pretend he is. They thought they were getting another Henry, that ain't what they got. Henry minus the 5th gear, maybe the fourth.
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…minus Henry’s OL too. Henry averaged 4.2 ypc last year.
 
stillwright said:
Another Henry? Really? Harris is a lot better than what you believe he is. On a team as the Ravens or Eagles I think his stats would be way more impressive. Put Henry or Barkley on the Steelers and their numbers would not be near where they are at this point. Probably drastically lower. We of course will never know.

We have run a horrible offensive system during Harris' time here. He runs into a stacked box probably more than any other RB in the last 4 years with an OL that isn't that good.
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True, he does, but he's not guilt free; He chooses to run smack-in-the-middle of cluster _____ when he could have chose to hit an open hole. Half of it is his fault.
 
Lloyd said:
True, he does, but he's not guilt free; He chooses to run smack-in-the-middle of cluster _____ when he could have chose to hit an open hole. Half of it is his fault.
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Getting constantly hit in the back field or right at LOS doesn't help Harris.
 
Troglodyte said:
…minus Henry’s OL too. Henry averaged 4.2 ypc last year.
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He's on pace for 5.8 ypc in 2024. 5.8, think about that #. He's been in the 4's the last 3 years sandwiched with a 5.4 in 2020. Any rb putting up a ypc in the 5's is killing it, rarified air. Henry is a special back.
 
Sadly 4.2 ypc would be a career high for Najee
Not the ROI ya want from a first round RB

But it’s not Najee’s fault they drafted him in the first

RBs are a dime a dozen and should never be drafted in the first unless they are a true playmaker/game breaker. The falloff from Najee to Warren is minimal, but the amount invested in acquiring him was quite a bit more.

Najee does not really meet that criteria one would want from where he was drafted, but hooray…he’s almost always available to bring has average skill set come game time!

Averaging about 17-20 touches a game and getting about 60-80 yards off that high percentage of the offense going through him makes him a very large part of the equation that is the futility of this offense.
 
Lloyd said:
He's on pace for 5.8 ypc in 2024. 5.8, think about that #. He's been in the 4's the last 3 years sandwiched with a 5.4 in 2020. Any rb putting up a ypc in the 5's is killing it, rarified air. Henry is a special back.
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So was Walter Payton and Earl Campbell who only averaged >5 ypc once in their careers and had 4.4 and 4.3 over their careers. OL matters. I won’t be surprised if Harris tears it up next year if he goes to a team with a good OL.
 
Lloyd said:
He's on pace for 5.8 ypc in 2024. 5.8, think about that #. He's been in the 4's the last 3 years sandwiched with a 5.4 in 2020. Any rb putting up a ypc in the 5's is killing it, rarified air. Henry is a special back.
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Yet Henry behind a subpar OL he hasn't faired as well.
 
TimesAreChanged said:
Baltimore does not have a great O line
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Not great, but I never heard a RB getting 5.8 ypc and bordering on 2,000 yards because their OL is total rubbish either. It doesn't happen, do you think anything Pgh does would get them 5.8 ypc and 2,000 yards rushing?
 
johnsteeler said:
Seriously. We Steeler fans are pretty ridiculous with our expectations. We just lost to three of the best (if not the three best) teams in football and we’re calling it a meltdown. We were not favored in any of the games and on paper and off, the three teams were considerably better. Let’s try to remember, we’re in the playoffs with 2 QBs who were considered dead in the water and we will probably face a really bad Texans team in the first round. Any of you who thought this was a Championship-level team are either delusional or know absolutely nothing about footballl. If we go 11-6 or even 10-7 and win one playoff game, this season was more successful than the last and a progression. When you always win at least 8 or 9 games, you never get premium draft picks and that shows in the mediocrity continuation. It’s the REAL STANDARD: NO LOSING SEASONS.
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The Ravens with no defense just played 3 games in 11 days like us and won all 3 of them....

I believed this was a championship team the minute they signed Russ and I don't think I'm delusional. Where I made my mistake was in believing they would actually bring in another big name WR to help Russ and Pickens.

That's where Tomlin and Co. pulled the Lucy pulling away the football from Charlie Brown meme on me. The Ayiuk deal was all smoke, but the failure to sign Boyd or Adams was back breaking. And shows to me the Steelers organization is not to be taken seriously anymore...for me anyway.

When your D is full of injuries or mismatched in places against a good opponent, offensive firepower can still get you the W in a shootout.

The substandard IS the standard.

We played ourselves... that's all.
 
The Ravens OL is far better than what the Steelers are putting on the field right now.

Stanley and Rosengarten, in particular, look like future HOFers compared to Moore and Jones.

Rosengarten did pretty well against Watt in their last matchup, especially for a rookie.
 
TimesAreChanged said:
Flashback to January in Buffalo isn't pretty and neither is the ending this season with 4 or 5 losses

The "reload" nonsense is great for marketing but has led to perennial mediocrity.

Watt is turning 31 with a $30M cap hit next season. Why keep him around? They need 2 or 3 stellar drafts to compete for a ring in 2027 or 2028
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So what you're saying is the head coaches balls are nice and shiny now that your work is done..and let's get rid of TJ...our best D player.

Brilliant...any more nuggets?
 
Hypocycloids said:
I think Tomlin is right.
After 8 years of high school and college Porter is expected to know the basics as does any paid professional in their respective fields.

I'm not at all against firing Tomlin, but some of the reasons given to place blame on him have been far reaches IMO.

If blame is to be put on any one coach it should be Austin.
If you want to blame Tomlin for hiring and not firing Austin, I wouldn't argue with that.
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Why would you place blame on Austin? I am not saying that he doesn’t need to be upgraded, but it is obvious who is calling the D. Austin is being allowed to call a D completely designed by Tomlin. Same can be said regarding the O too.
 
Punxsutawney said:
My question with Jones is if he is truly so out of position at RT, why did he look so much better there last season? Maybe he's frustrated with being stuck on the right side to the point it is affecting his effort and performance, but even if that's the case, that doesn't reflect too well on him in my opinion.
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I agree here that Jones appears to be frustrated, and even said he is not comfortable on the right. The issue with that comes down to the player and them doing what is required to learn that. When I was in they Navy, I was a gyro tech, I served on 2 ships where I knew the gyros inside and out. I got to a new ship and we had two completely different systems, one I knew and one I didn’t. The biggest difference was the system I knew was analog, the other digital, yet I was responsible for both. I could have thrown my hands up and bitched about it, but that was not an option, you learn the other and move on. The same thing is what Jones needs to accept, learn to play RT for now.
Punxsutawney said:
I just tend to think his issues run deeper than merely the side he is playing on, but we'll see.
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He was considered very raw when drafted, and is playing against much better players every game. Maybe he has reached his ceiling, who knows, but it is still early.
Punxsutawney said:
Porter's tendency to grab receivers was one of the reasons he slipped in the draft. He seemed to get away with a lot as a rookie that opposing teams are now asking officials to watch for.
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This is exactly where I blame Tomlin, Austin, and the DB coaches. They knew this when they drafted him, it is up to them to correct it.
Punxsutawney said:
He still has to prove that he can adjust his style of play, while remaining effective enough.
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True.
 
stillwright said:
So do you think Harris is the main issue and any replacement will simply be better?


Harris will be FA...no releasing involved. You say finding a replacement for RB is the easiest....was Harris a failure? Since Bell, our RBs haven't been special minus Harris. Harris is the 13th RB ever to record 1000 plus yards per season in his first 4 years in the history of the NFL. Not shabby with all of the issues you stated above with our OL...offensive system....play calling etc.
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Not every player fits every system. Harris may go on to flourish somewhere else, maybe he doesn’t, only time will tell. Personally, I would have tried to keep Conner and used the Harris pick on another position.
 
Lloyd said:
Jones, a 1st round pick, is probably signed off by Rooney, that is true. We've seen some evidence where Roonets have admitted their voice in 1st-round picks, they admitted they overruled everyone and took Big Ben. But, of course they admitted input of that draft pick.

Porter wasn't a bad draft pick, but he has his faults.
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Which should be a priority for the coaching staff, which is led by whom, to correct.
 
Gildong Sack said:
So what you're saying is the head coaches balls are nice and shiny now that your work is done..and let's get rid of TJ...our best D player.

Brilliant...any more nuggets?
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I've never seen you make a cogent comment on this site which leads me to understand you are a complete fking moron.

This organization is suffering a hangover from clinging to their old quarterback for way too long...You could have all 3 Watts on D and won't win anything until a franchise QB is on the roster.

"Our best D player" - enjoy your player and STFU or trade him now and use the massive draft capital to build a team that will compete for rings in 2028

Christ you are fking stupid.
 
Punxsutawney said:
The Ravens OL is far better than what the Steelers are putting on the field right now.

Stanley and Rosengarten, in particular, look like future HOFers compared to Moore and Jones.

Rosengarten did pretty well against Watt in their last matchup, especially for a rookie.
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Agree with you but Watt wasn't full strength that game. Stanley is great and inconsistent. Agree they're a better overall unit but I don't think that's the key to Henry's success this season

Henry is incredible, I don't take anything from him but he also has a top 3 quarterback handing him the ball who is also capable of beating the defense with his legs. They scheme traps, wham, and crunch like no other team. They use the wide out insert and have Lamar reading the edge. It puts that little sliver of doubt in the ends mind. We saw it on Christmas when he kept and ran to the end zone. They may have the best O this year.

That team is a contender because they drafted a QB and built a team around him. I want to add that they didn't win anything while he was on his rookie contract. Same thing needs to happen in Pittsburgh if they are going to be contenders a few years from now
 
TimesAreChanged said:
I've never seen you make a cogent comment on this site which leads me to understand you are a complete fking moron.

This organization is suffering a hangover from clinging to their old HEAD COACH for way too long...You could have all 3 Watts on D and won't win anything until a franchise QB is on the roster.

"Our best D player" - enjoy your player and STFU or trade him now and use the massive draft capital to build a team that will compete for rings in 2028

Christ you are fking stupid.
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There you go fixed it for ya...you'll figure it out champ.
 
MT~Forged said:
Not every player fits every system. Harris may go on to flourish somewhere else, maybe he doesn’t, only time will tell. Personally, I would have tried to keep Conner and used the Harris pick on another position.
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Conner had the injury bug at times here.
 
stillwright said:
Getting constantly hit in the back field or right at LOS doesn't help Harris.
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It doesn't help. He consistently misses the holes that are there, he lacks a feel for the game. He's not a top 5 back, probably not even top 15.
 
Lloyd said:
It doesn't help. He consistently misses the holes that are there, he lacks a feel for the game. He's not a top 5 back, probably not even top 15.
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His 1007 yards place 12th in the league.
 
MT~Forged said:
Why would you place blame on Austin? I am not saying that he doesn’t need to be upgraded, but it is obvious who is calling the D. Austin is being allowed to call a D completely designed by Tomlin. Same can be said regarding the O too.
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Because:
A defensive coordinator is a football coach who manages the defensive side of the team, including the players, coaches, and game plan. Their responsibilities include:

  • Managing the roster: The defensive coordinator is responsible for the defensive players on the roster.

  • Overseeing assistant coaches: The defensive coordinator manages multiple position coaches who are responsible for specific defensive positions.

  • Developing the defensive game plan: The defensive coordinator is responsible for the overall defensive plan and scheme.

I’m not saying to blame Austin for Porters shortcomings, I’m saying IF you were to blame a coach, wouldn’t it be the coach responsible for the D?
If you want to get down to it, blame the secondary coach Grady Brown.

I’m also not sure how any of us can say for a fact that this D is completely designed by Tomlin.
 
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