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"Najee Harris ain't it". NAJEE 3.0 It's time to go, yo....

bigben said:
Career stats (reg+post season)

Najee Harris
71 games 5599 yards, 268 1st downs, 34 TD, 6 fumbles
78 yards per game average

Leveon Bell
66 Games 8511 yards, 447 1st down, 46 TD 8 fumbles
129 yards per game avg

In 5 fewer games Bell gained 2912 More yards than Najee
Averaging yd/g for an equal amount of starts (71) Bell would have outgained Harris by 3557 yards
3557 is nearly as many yards Harris has had in the past 3 seasons

Its laughable to even make the comparison
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It's laudable you didn't understand my post
 
Hypocycloids said:
You’re slow.
Right away you make the assumption Najee was hiding his 40 time. He was recovering from an ankle injury you clown.
At Bama his 40 times were all over the place according to the internetz from 4.45 to 4.66.
Bell ran a 4.60.
On a treadmill Najee was electronically timed running 22mph. Which calculates to 4.3 something, which is hard to believe. But there’s a video of it.
The dude ain’t slow.
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People fail to realize, in order to have long runs, the blocking must make the holes for said long run. It's not too often he had a hole to exploit for HUGE gains
 
So to summarize the highlights:
Najee is a mediocre back
But he played behind a really mediocre O line
Bell was way betterl
Yeah but Bell had a very good line.
So whose fault is it that Najee played with a poor line.
Tomlins of course. Never developed players.
So then how can it be said that Najee is mediocre.
Najee didn’t play against stellar D lines like Bell did.
Our turnstile O line made opposing D lines look stellar.
Najee would have been great in the 90’s
And Bell would have not been so great behind Najee’s line.
Najee is so slow.
Not according to his 40 time at Alabama.
Najee is a mediocre back.
Lol
 
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The O line is the foundation of the entire team imo.
They are why our RB’s, QB’s and the D suffers. Even the highest paid defense can’t endure 3 and outs the entire game.
Fix that and I think we will be OK. Easier said than done I know.
 
steelhurt said:
Now I agree with most of these but some you have to be joking.
Pouncey was a very good pick and played at a high level.
David DeCastro was a very good pick and played at a high level.
Shazier was excellent but unfortunately had a horrible injury.
These three I can’t agree with ya on.
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This.

The record has enough real blemishes that people don't have to lie about the picks that were good.
 
BLITZ said:
I am just tired of 4 or 5 posters bashing a guy that gave 100% to the organization.
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He seemed like a good person. Although I do wonder about him losing the captaincy, which is voted on by the players.

But I agree that he left it all out on the field.

He was good, but not great.

He'll be a useful piece for the Chargers. But I don't think he'll top his numbers with us. Because he gets production because of volume. And I don't think he'll get the kind of volume he had with us on a team with a real QB.
 
It's like some of you don't realize that this is a TEAM sport. I was the first person on this board to pimp out Bell two years before he was drafted. Bell had a unique ability to set and wait for a hole to open but he was able to do that because of the offense that surrounded him. Top 4 QB the best WR in the game not counting Sanders was no slouch either. There was also Heath miller and a decent oline. Bell didn't have to face a nine man box on most of his carries and Bell didn't have to let someone else get those carries when the defense was wearing down in the 4th QTR.

Ben and Brown struck fear in the heart of every defense they played which kept those defenses honest. I loved Bell as a player and was one of the few that even supported him during his contract BS, but what was Bells numbers when he left the Burgh. I'll tell you he averaged 3.2 yards a carry when he left and never broke 800 yards in a season.

Harris has played behind an absolutely ****** oline, absolutely ****** QB play and no receiver that comes close to what Brown was and faced a stacked box most of the time and when the defense started to wear down Warren got the ball. Najee is a better than average running back that if he was surrounded by better supporting cast could be an even better back.

some of you dumb ***** couldn't wait to see James Conner gone. he never broke a thousand yards here but how is he doing in AZ? The last two years he has barely broken 200 carries yet he has gotten over a 1000 yards both seasons and is averaging 4.8 yards a carry. Surrounding cast????

I swear there is just no pleasing some of you. the grass is always greener as far as players go for a **** load of you.

The RB position is a position that truly counts on those around him doing their job well, can anyone honestly say that Najee has been afforded that since he has been here.
 
Aussie_Steeler said:
Pouncey barely acceptable and took a while to produce? In his rookie season he was second team All Pro and the upgrade of the centre position was a major factor in the Steelers making the 2010 Super Bowl and he was a First Team All Pro his second year. I'm not sure how that's taking a while to produce, especially when you don't make the same comment about Heyward who was a backup for his first two years and entered his third year as a backup. And don't take this as me knocking Heyward as he has been a great player for the Steelers and in his early years had some great players (Aaron Smith and Brett Kiesel) in front of him on the depth chart.
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You must have forgot the missed blocks and plays he got overpowered. He got the major PR push for being a 1st round center for the Steelers. It used to mean something but then it was pure Pr.
 
Lloyd said:
You must have forgot the missed blocks and plays he got overpowered. He got the major PR push for being a 1st round center for the Steelers. It used to mean something but then it was pure Pr.
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I'm not the biggest pouncey fan and thought he was overrated, but he was above average. you take everything to the extreme.
 
NorthernBlitz said:
The issue is that Bell got hurt.

He was way more impactful than Najee on the field.

Particularly when Bell was healthy in the playoffs. Where he generally dominated.

If only Bell had Najee's durability. Or Najee had Bell's ability.
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Harris simply played hurt every season. Not all RBs do that or can do that. He was a team first type of player. Seems like a rarity in today's football.
 
jitter77 said:
I'm not the biggest pouncey fan and thought he was overrated, but he was above average. you take everything to the extreme.
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I remember us handing him the largest contract for a center ever after what seemed like him being hurt all of the time. I remember wondering what number $$$$ they started the talks at during the negotiations?
 
Hypocycloids said:
The O line is the foundation of the entire team imo.
They are why our RB’s, QB’s and the D suffers. Even the highest paid defense can’t endure 3 and outs the entire game.
Fix that and I think we will be OK. Easier said than done I know.
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Ya know, you’re spot on!

BUT…You could’ve told Shades that BEFORE he came up with his crackpot idea that weapons can replace an OL and the Steelers then went down almost a decade of neglect to the position group.

The team definitely got soft AF as we went down that rabbit hole that Khan/Weidl are still trying to wiggle out of.
 
Hypocycloids said:
So to summarize the highlights:
Najee is a mediocre back
But he played behind a really mediocre O line
Bell was way betterl
Yeah but Bell had a very good line.
So whose fault is it that Najee played with a poor line.
Tomlins of course. Never developed players.
So then how can it be said that Najee is mediocre.
Najee didn’t play against stellar D lines like Bell did.
Our turnstile O line made opposing D lines look stellar.
Najee would have been great in the 90’s
And Bell would have not been so great behind Najee’s line.
Najee is so slow.
Not according to his 40 time at Alabama.
Najee is a mediocre back.
Lol
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Boom!!!
 
NorthernBlitz said:
The issue is that Bell got hurt.

He was way more impactful than Najee on the field.
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Particularly when Bell was healthy in the playoffs. Where he generally dominated.

If only Bell had Najee's durability. Or Najee had Bell's ability.
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Bell was impactful because our ENTIRE OFFENSE was better.

Best QB in franchise history, who was a terror to bring down and his pump fake was legendary.

Say what you want about AB, but he was the best in the league at his position and his compliment of WRs far exceeds what we've seen over Najee's tenure. That means the boxes were lighter of you're not following...

We've already established that Lev's OL stood head and shoulders over the new ensemble.

Najee had none of that. Yet, he still accrued 1000+ yards in 4 consecutive years.

The defense rests, your honor.
 
bermudasteel said:
Bruh, your soccer shorts are on too tight...

Bell and Harris are TWO VERY DIFFERENT types of RBs. You cannot compare them like for like...
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Uhh, so we can't compare Ben to Brady? We can't compare AB to Moss? We can't compare Dermontii to Webster? It's ok for an Alabama player to not be the best. Walter Abercrombie, Ernest Jackson, Frankie Pollard, all played on those bad 80's teams had a better ypc than Najee, and they all had a career long run longer than Najee's.
 
bermudasteel said:
Bell was impactful because our ENTIRE OFFENSE was better.

Best QB in franchise history, who was a terror to bring down and his pump fake was legendary.

Say what you want about AB, but he was the best in the league at his position and his compliment of WRs far exceeds what we've seen over Najee's tenure. That means the boxes were lighter of you're not following...

We've already established that Lev's OL stood head and shoulders over the new ensemble.

Najee had none of that. Yet, he still accrued 1000+ yards in 4 consecutive years.

The defense rests, your honor.
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Ultimately, we'll get to see more this year when he's on a different team with a real QB.

But my guess is that Najee will continue to be the good but not great back we've seen so far. Very consistent. No 40 yard runs. But I don't think he'll get the number of touches we gave him in an offense that has a QB. Compare the number of carries of the Charger's RBs last season to any year of Harris with us.

Unless he gets blocking like 'Bama against scrubs, this is what he is.

And while durability has been his super-power / elite ability, he's a RB. And that will likely fail sooner rather than later.

I think he's a good player. But not a great player. And I think he seems like a good person (and it's a nice thing to believe that the guys on the field are good people). Unfortunately, he plays the position that's the easiest to replace. Which is why he ultimately got a 2nd contract that has a good chance to pay him less than the 5th year option.
 
bermudasteel said:
Bell was impactful because our ENTIRE OFFENSE was better.

Best QB in franchise history, who was a terror to bring down and his pump fake was legendary.

Say what you want about AB, but he was the best in the league at his position and his compliment of WRs far exceeds what we've seen over Najee's tenure. That means the boxes were lighter of you're not following...

We've already established that Lev's OL stood head and shoulders over the new ensemble.

Najee had none of that. Yet, he still accrued 1000+ yards in 4 consecutive years.

The defense rests, your honor.
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Left out: Coach refused to use passing attack in the middle of the field thus never opening any space in the second level of the opponents defense.

It's much harder to get running yards when the linebackers can play right behind the D-line.
 
Najee played with a steel plate in his shoe because his foot was messed up. Ben played with a broken foot.

And now a days I watch the Steelers with a broken heart.
 
Coryea said:
Uhh, so we can't compare Ben to Brady? We can't compare AB to Moss? We can't compare Dermontii to Webster? It's ok for an Alabama player to not be the best. Walter Abercrombie, Ernest Jackson, Frankie Pollard, all played on those bad 80's teams had a better ypc than Najee, and they all had a career long run longer than Najee's.
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No you can't. Just because they play the same position doesn't mean the player is the same.

C'mon, man...
 
NorthernBlitz said:
Ultimately, we'll get to see more this year when he's on a different team with a real QB.

But my guess is that Najee will continue to be the good but not great back we've seen so far. Very consistent. No 40 yard runs. But I don't think he'll get the number of touches we gave him in an offense that has a QB. Compare the number of carries of the Charger's RBs last season to any year of Harris with us.

Unless he gets blocking like 'Bama against scrubs, this is what he is.

And while durability has been his super-power / elite ability, he's a RB. And that will likely fail sooner rather than later.

I think he's a good player. But not a great player. And I think he seems like a good person (and it's a nice thing to believe that the guys on the field are good people). Unfortunately, he plays the position that's the easiest to replace. Which is why he ultimately got a 2nd contract that has a good chance to pay him less than the 5th year option.
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Sigh...
 
bermudasteel said:
No you can't. Just because they play the same position doesn't mean the player is the same.

C'mon, man...
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A lot of sports show host across the country should be out of work then.
 
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