Pickens being traded to Dallas?

[SteelerFan448]

The Steelers were in a tough spot w/ Pickens, but I would have rolled the dice and see how things went this year. The Oline "should" be better and we brought in a #1 WR. If Pickens started acting up we could have suspended him, benched him, or did an in-season trade. Instead of a 3rd we might have gotten a 4th or 5th, but I think that would have been a gamble worth taking. On the flip side if there was a bunch of behind the scenes issues going on then you cant really fault the team for dumping Pickens, but there should have been a better replacement plan. Now we are pretty much back to square one of last year with no QB and a 30 million / yr WR.

I don't follow other teams closely enough, but there is such a repeating pattern of the Steelers trading malcontents. Tomlin is always hyped up to be able to manage these guys yet we are moving on left and right--and it's not just receivers.

Again, I am fine with the Steelers trading Pickens. There were too many instances of lack of effort and outbursts. I also think a lot of this has been created from a stone age approach on offense that doesn't get playmakers the ball. I also know that a player's trade value is only as good as what other teams will offer, but a young WR with production and that type of talent--especially in a poor wide receiver draft--should've been worth more. That just has to make you wonder how bad things actually are behind the scenes.

 

[MT~Forged]

I just think making the statement, without proof, that the owner of a sports team only cares about money is as bad an accusation you can make of an owner. It's like saying a pilot is reckless, or a doctor is dismissive or something.

Read my original post again. I was making a generalized statement about owner’s priorities and IF they wanted to save money HOW they might do it.

Many talking heads have said that those are things the Steelers have done and are doing. I didn’t accuse them of anything, because I do not have access to the books or management discussions.

 

[MT~Forged]

Bullshiit.You said Rooney is more worried about money than winning. What have I misinterpreted? I think that assertion is pretty nasty without proof. I think it's more due to set in their ways type thinking. I think there is plenty of evidence to support that. Being that they are up against the cap every year, for example, I think your argument is not valid.

Cap management is only one piece of the puzzle.

 

[slashsteel]

Bullshiit.You said Rooney is more worried about money than winning. What have I misinterpreted? I think that assertion is pretty nasty without proof. I think it's more due to set in their ways type thinking. I think there is plenty of evidence to support that. Being that they are up against the cap every year, for example, I think your argument is not valid.

Only commenting on the cap verbiage . I think for the most part they were up against the cap. I am thinking last year they had some wiggle room and this YTD they have a decent amount available.

 

[diver]

Read my original post again. I was making a generalized statement about owner’s priorities and IF they wanted to save money HOW they might do it.

Many talking heads have said that those are things the Steelers have done and are doing. I didn’t accuse them of anything, because I do not have access to the books or management discussions.

I know. I was responding to another post.

Again, I just disagree with the idea that Rooney only cares about making his money. I understand it is said out of frustration. I don't like it because it cannot be proven...but admittedly I don't want it to be true. Because if that would be the case, 50 years of being a fan would be over. Done. How can we root for that?

 

[BLITZ]

Cold BACON is still BACON.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Actually neither...

But anyone who says Hurts isn't a Top 10 QB should re-evaluate how they evaluate QB's

I don't consider QB 10 to be elite.

Eagles rushed for 179 yards per game. Eagles defense only gave up 18 points per game.

Hurts threw for 193 yards per game. He had 18 passing TDs. For comparison, Russell Wilson had 16 TD in just 11 games. Hurts plays well within that Eagles system but he's not carrying that team. Not even close.

You're free to think he's great. I just think he's a decent QB in the best QB situation in the NFL.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I don't consider QB 10 to be elite.

Eagles rushed for 179 yards per game. Eagles defense only gave up 18 points per game.

Hurts threw for 193 yards per game. He had 18 passing TDs. For comparison, Russell Wilson had 16 TD in just 11 games. Hurts plays well within that Eagles system but he's not carrying that team. Not even close.

You're free to think he's great. I just think he's a decent QB in the best QB situation in the NFL.

He was what was needed and played better as the season went along.

 

[Litos]

Add his 600 yards and 15 tds rushing contribution

 

[stillwright]

Add his 600 yards and 15 tds rushing contribution

Yeah....the old tush push. Amazing.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Bullshiit.You said Rooney is more worried about money than winning. What have I misinterpreted? I think that assertion is pretty nasty without proof. I think it's more due to set in their ways type thinking. I think there is plenty of evidence to support that. Being that they are up against the cap every year, for example, I think your argument is not valid.

Likewise to all that you heap on too of a very basic premise I laid out (sinister, back room meetings and all the other bs you spew)
If you can’t figure it out that’s on you



Buh bye

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I don't follow other teams closely enough, but there is such a repeating pattern of the Steelers trading malcontents. Tomlin is always hyped up to be able to manage these guys yet we are moving on left and right--and it's not just receivers.

Again, I am fine with the Steelers trading Pickens. There were too many instances of lack of effort

When do we trade the coach for lack of effort?
I’d take a 3rd and a pick swap for the less talented coach tomorrow

 

[slashsteel]

When do we trade the coach for lack of effort?
I’d take a 3rd and a pick swap for the less talented coach tomorrow

His supporters get fewer and fewer by the day. Mike has pretty much lost the bulk of Steelernation IMO.

 

[Coryea]

When do we trade the coach for lack of effort?
I’d take a 3rd and a pick swap for the less talented coach tomorrow

The Bears called about him, Rooney basically hung up on them.

 

[Coryea]

I don't follow other teams closely enough, but there is such a repeating pattern of the Steelers trading malcontents. Tomlin is always hyped up to be able to manage these guys yet we are moving on left and right--and it's not just receivers.

Again, I am fine with the Steelers trading Pickens. There were too many instances of lack of effort and outbursts. I also think a lot of this has been created from a stone age approach on offense that doesn't get playmakers the ball. I also know that a player's trade value is only as good as what other teams will offer, but a young WR with production and that type of talent--especially in a poor wide receiver draft--should've been worth more. That just has to make you wonder how bad things actually are behind the scenes.

Yeah the praise Tomlin gets for dealing with these guys is ridiculous, how about it's his culture that helps make these guys worse, he's had how many players basically quit on him?

As far as Pickens, there was alot that we didn't know about, Dulac was on one of the radio shows last week, said Pickens was late alot, more than just the KC game. He half assed it at practice alot. I can't remember which game, maybe it was the game before the KC one, or maybe it was the KC game, the game where pre game Tomlin said Pickens will play in spots or whatever the quote was, Dulac said that's because Tomlin didn't see or hear from Pickens for a few days, and when he showed up to the game that Sunday, they had to give him a police escort to get an MRI. The guys in the locker room had enough with his act too. Not sure what so many people still want this douche around here.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Where would you have drafted a WR this year? And who?

The reason I thought we'd let him play out his contract was because this wasn't a good WR class, so it wasn't a great year to pick up a WR in the draft.

Hard to find fault with this years draft.

You can’t pass on 1st or 3rd, regardless.

That would leave you 2-4th round picks (the one you got for the George trade prior to draft, or just one if not prior trade)

Basically we would be where we are now which I don’t see as a total waste.

Addition by subtraction when you add in the “crazy” of the George (yesterdays social media antics???)



Salute the nation

 

[diver]

Likewise to all that you heap on too of a very basic premise I laid out (sinister, back room meetings and all the other bs you spew)
If you can’t figure it out that’s on you



Buh bye

Saying an owner of a sports team only cares about his bottom line is probably about the worst thing you can say about an owner. So I heaped a little hyperbole on top. It's a rough statement to make. Robert Kraft got through with barely a blip for whatever was going on at massage parlors because he was winning. Nobody gives a damn what the owners do...unless they are perceived to be interested more in the money they make than winning.

But it brings up a question. If you really feel that way, why continue to be a fan? Now before you get all sensitive, I'm not questioning your fandom, or your right to be fan nor am I saying only people who think a certain way can be fans. But if you really believe the owner is more interested in making money then winning, why bother? It's kind of a hopeless situation. It's why I have zero interest anymore in NBA basketball. They play when they want to, winning isn't important to some teams, and it just seems pointless.

I understand the frustration. I'm frustrated. But I think their lack of success is attributable to not being able to let go of tradition and they way they always did things and has nothing to do with money. Rooney wants to win, but he wants to do it the way they always did, and we may be past the time that it can be done that way.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I never block anyone either. I don't begrudge anyone that uses that feature though either.

I only used it once at the request of the administrator. It is there to use for whomever chooses to use the feature.

I work construction for most of my life. ONLY job in the world where 1 minute you’re about to fight to the death with someone, then 3 minutes later you need something from them and P-O-O-F…….. you’re best friends.

Point being, there isn’t much I can take personally here on this message board.

Although, a certain someone put me on ignore as his very first and I felt good for that, not “cigarette” good,
but dang close………..




Salute the nation

 

[Drink IRON City]

Yeah the praise Tomlin gets for dealing with these guys is ridiculous, how about it's his culture that helps make these guys worse, he's had how many players basically quit on him?

As far as Pickens, there was alot that we didn't know about, Dulac was on one of the radio shows last week, said Pickens was late alot, more than just the KC game. He half assed it at practice alot. I can't remember which game, maybe it was the game before the KC one, or maybe it was the KC game, the game where pre game Tomlin said Pickens will play in spots or whatever the quote was, Dulac said that's because Tomlin didn't see or hear from Pickens for a few days, and when he showed up to the game that Sunday, they had to give him a police escort to get an MRI. The guys in the locker room had enough with his act too. Not sure what so many people still want this douche around here.

DK Daily Shot this morning even hinted as having someone make sure he is there on some of the daily stuff. The locker room was tired of the questionable and the bull-**** that he brought. !/2 asZed route running both game and practice.

DK talked about his social media engagement yesterday about the Steelers, original between Beanie and I didn’t catch the other player. Nothing was directed at Pickens, it was just the two Current Steelers players and then George jumped in….. pathetic and what message does that’s send to his new team who has made it clear that they are not looking to extend his current rookie deal….

DK even put out the ADDITION by Subtraction was very much in play.

None of the above is direct quotes, just my interpretation.



Salute the nation

 

[diver]

Yeah the praise Tomlin gets for dealing with these guys is ridiculous, how about it's his culture that helps make these guys worse, he's had how many players basically quit on him?

As far as Pickens, there was alot that we didn't know about, Dulac was on one of the radio shows last week, said Pickens was late alot, more than just the KC game. He half assed it at practice alot. I can't remember which game, maybe it was the game before the KC one, or maybe it was the KC game, the game where pre game Tomlin said Pickens will play in spots or whatever the quote was, Dulac said that's because Tomlin didn't see or hear from Pickens for a few days, and when he showed up to the game that Sunday, they had to give him a police escort to get an MRI. The guys in the locker room had enough with his act too. Not sure what so many people still want this douche around here.

I don't know if it's Tomlin's culture as much as it is this idea that he thinks he can get through to some of these guys. There is a hubris about that. "31 other coaches can't handle this guy, but I understand where they come from, I can reach them." Yeah, right. What Tomlin has to figure out is some of these guys won't listen to anybody.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Cold BACON is still BACON.

I’ve eaten cold bacon.



Salute the nation

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

He was what was needed and played better as the season went along.

That doesn’t sound like a description of an elite player

 

[Drink IRON City]

When do we trade the coach for lack of effort?
I’d take a 3rd and a pick swap for the less talented coach tomorrow

Everyone talks about if released, he’d have a HC job in 5 minutes. I’m not so sure.

A few questions would be

1) would he have the success there as he did here……… doubtful initially, but give him 5 yrs to everyone Tomlinized.
2) would ownership turn over what seems to be complete control of everything, including mockery of franchise?
3) would equal degree of “whispering” be allowed for trouble players?
4) SCHEME, enactment of the Tomlin scheme, if not what direction would he be able to go?
5) $$$MO-Money$$$, true motivation and would a new team be willing to pay the over-inflated wage?

My surmise is he may get hired right away, but will NOT have the season success he has had here. The new team more than likely will not be giving him a MAJOR SB contender pre-built team, with a Franchise QB in his early prime forward.

I’m willing to give this theory a full test, but no return policy.



Salute the nation

 

[steelhurt]

It looks like they have learned their lesson on drafting these punks regardless of how much talent they have.
Since the 23 draft Omar and Andy have drafted solid players without character issues it appears.
There were reasons why Pickens fell to the second round and the Steelers I think realize that Tomlin cannot fix these nut job players like DJ and Pickens.
This is not a half way house and rehabilitation center and I hope we never draft another nut job like Pickens.
Can you imagine what Noll or Cowher would have done when DJ stood and looked at the fumble in Cincinnati or when Pickens wouldn’t block for Warren near the goal line in Indy?
They would have exploded even in this day of the modern player. No way they would have tolerated that behavior.
I’m glad they’re both gone. **** them

 

[Steelers War Room]

Everyone talks about if released, he’d have a HC job in 5 minutes. I’m not so sure.

A few questions would be

1) would he have the success there as he did here……… doubtful initially, but give him 5 yrs to everyone Tomlinized.
2) would ownership turn over what seems to be complete control of everything, including mockery of franchise?
3) would equal degree of “whispering” be allowed for trouble players?
4) SCHEME, enactment of the Tomlin scheme, if not what direction would he be able to go?
5) $$$MO-Money$$$, true motivation and would a new team be willing to pay the over-inflated wage?

My surmise is he may get hired right away, but will NOT have the season success he has had here. The new team more than likely will not be giving him a MAJOR SB contender pre-built team, with a Franchise QB in his early prime forward.

I’m willing to give this theory a full test, but no return policy.



Salute the nation

I think he'd have a job right away, but the team who would hire him is a team that doesn't represent the standard we want our team to achieve. As a fan base, even in these bleak times our standard is playoff wins. That's what we talk about - no playoffs wins in X years. There are other teams who measure success by just making the playoffs, a winning season, not losing double digits every year. If you are hiring for one of those teams, the Tomlin standard more than meets your needs.