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Are you one of those?
No, for starters I wasn't conceived as the result of a rape so my life is sacred.
Are you one of those?
No, for starters I wasn't conceived as the result of a rape so my life is sacred.
Never said anything about sacred, rape or how you were conceived. I don't see what gives you the right to decide that people need to be aborted. I notice that people that ***** about too many people etc... never want to be the one to bite the bullet. It's everyone else that needs to go.
what happens when a woman goes to abort a female baby?
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So you assumed it was about overpopulation? No.
Our legal system decides people need aborted all the time, especially Texas.
I was just saying it would have been better for society if those people (and many others) would have never been born in the first place.
yes. that's my issue as well.My issue with abortion is using it as a form of birth control for people who act irresponsibly.
If you're talking about execution then your terms are screwy. The legal system decides nobody needs to be aborted. They decided that people who made bad decisions and took another person's life deserve to die. Abortion is killing a person who hasn't done a damn thing against anyone. The mother made a decision in 99.9% of cases to **** without protection and wants an easy out because she made a poor choice. So she kills her baby for convenience not because the baby did something wrong.
Which gives a lot of insight to the liberal mind. Kill a person and give a life for a life is bad. But killing an unborn innocent baby for convenience is good.
It was a euphemism.
Many aborted baby's would grow up to be productive members of society, but many others would grow up to be ne'er do wells, thugs or monsters. (People who should have been aborted).
Doesn't negate my point. Since no one knows who is who then it's a moot point.
I love the hypocrisy of those here arguing a 1" fetus is life so worth saving yet in other threads want to bomb Iran into oblivion (like that wouldn't kill millions of children).
Maybe we should just allow abortions for non-christians? How about that as a compromise?
I love the hypocrisy of those here arguing a 1" fetus is life so worth saving yet in other threads want to bomb Iran into oblivion (like that wouldn't kill millions of children).
Maybe we should just allow abortions for non-christians? How about that as a compromise?
Neither should be killed. Neither is at any fault. But it's the actions of the attendant adults that compromise both. In one case it's far too often simply the adult deciding to relinquish to their most base desires without taking very simple, very readily available precautions.
In the other it's savage, barely above Neanderthal murderous scum doing the savage, barely above Neanderthal scum things they do with full knowledge that they are exposing their own children and the children of others to becoming collateral damage from retribution and not caring. So yeah, your moral equivalence thingy needs work.
The difference is that a baby is killed while being totally defenseless. Terrorists have forfeited their right to life. Nice to see that you love terrorists and hate babies.
Rod, if you have a great magic wand to make people smart, I'm all for that.
But it's easy to preach from a position of opportunity and experience to those with neither and just say "I know best, you are wrong". You know you don't have a corner on the compassion market. Regardless of my station in life, one of opportunity as you state, but one that wasn't always so, I have an enormous amount of compassion for people which is why I feel so fiercely protective of the very most innocent of them. And experience shouldn't be used as a teaching tool? As a means of saying "don't make this mistake because I did and here are the repercussions"?The religious right talks all about keeping government out of our lives, yet they LOVE to legislate to 20-somethings their moral superiority. See, I don't believe I've brought federal regulation (or actually any government regulation for that matter) into this debate....but I absolutely believe that it is a state issue to regulate.) That is so hypocritical to me.
I'm not pro-abortion. I don't want MORE abortions in this country. I hate women (and there are a few) that abuse the right to an abortion and use it as birth control. That's obviously not the intent most pro-choice people want to see happen.
I vehemently disagree that the majority of pro "choice" people don't want to see exactly that. I have no figures to back it up but I get the sense that most of them have come to believe that abortion should be a viable (and yet another) means of birth control. The canard of "reproductive health" is a complete misdirection intended to soften the visceral impact of "abortion" on the public.
But I also know what it was like in this country when abortions were illegal. How the rich and privileged still had access to safe abortions yet the poor and middle class were stuck being lectured to about how evil it is and how mothers killed themselves trying to do it at home. That's not a system I want to go back to. And I don't believe the religious-right for one second that if they get their way, repeal Roe-vs.-Wade and outlaw abortions 100% that they will follow through and apply that law equally to all citizens. That the white elite will still have access when needed for their sons and daughters. That unwanted pregnancies won't still happen to good people and derail otherwise extremely promising and productive lives that maybe abortions could save (and teach a lesson). That unwanted children won't be born into lives of poverty and despair and neglect with zero chance of success (and not be put up for adoption like the Utopian idea being sold).
I don't believe any of that rainbow will happen if you guys get your way. None of it.
Sometimes making something illegal doesn't make it go away.
Rod, if you have a great magic wand to make people smart, I'm all for that.
But it's easy to preach from a position of opportunity and experience to those with neither and just say "I know best, you are wrong". The religious right talks all about keeping government out of our lives, yet they LOVE to legislate to 20-somethings their moral superiority. That is so hypocritical to me.
I'm not pro-abortion. I don't want MORE abortions in this country. I hate women (and there are a few) that abuse the right to an abortion and use it as birth control. That's obviously not the intent most pro-choice people want to see happen.
But I also know what it was like in this country when abortions were illegal. How the rich and privileged still had access to safe abortions yet the poor and middle class were stuck being lectured to about how evil it is and how mothers killed themselves trying to do it at home. That's not a system I want to go back to. And I don't believe the religious-right for one second that if they get their way, repeal Roe-vs.-Wade and outlaw abortions 100% that they will follow through and apply that law equally to all citizens. That the white elite will still have access when needed for their sons and daughters. That unwanted pregnancies won't still happen to good people and derail otherwise extremely promising and productive lives that maybe abortions could save (and teach a lesson). That unwanted children won't be born into lives of poverty and despair and neglect with zero chance of success (and not be put up for adoption like the Utopian idea being sold).
I don't believe any of that rainbow will happen if you guys get your way. None of it.
Sometimes making something illegal doesn't make it go away.
It was a euphemism.
Many aborted baby's would grow up to be productive members of society, but many others would grow up to be ne'er do wells, thugs or monsters. (People who should have been aborted).
I love the hypocrisy of those here arguing a 1" fetus is life so worth saving yet in other threads want to bomb Iran into oblivion (like that wouldn't kill millions of children).
Maybe we should just allow abortions for non-christians? How about that as a compromise?
I'm really ******* sick of that argument.
Yes, all life is "sacred"...that's why "murder" is illegal. The problem here is that you and others confuse "killing" with "murder"...you use them interchangeably. A cop shooting a criminal in self defense is "killing". War is killing.
Abortion is murder.
The Bible allows for killing, not murder.
http://www.biblestudy.org/question/what-does-thou-shall-not-kill-mean.html
It is often heard that Cain "killed" Abel...actually he murdered him,
The commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is really not as general as the King James version would indicate. The commandment actually refers to premeditated, unjustified killing - murder.
And abortion is just that...premeditated and unjustified.
And I'll give you a compromise...let only liberals abort their offspring. You people have caused enough damage.
Rod, if you have a great magic wand to make people smart, I'm all for that.
But it's easy to preach from a position of opportunity and experience to those with neither and just say "I know best, you are wrong". The religious right talks all about keeping government out of our lives, yet they LOVE to legislate to 20-somethings their moral superiority. That is so hypocritical to me.
I'm not pro-abortion. I don't want MORE abortions in this country. I hate women (and there are a few) that abuse the right to an abortion and use it as birth control. That's obviously not the intent most pro-choice people want to see happen.
But I also know what it was like in this country when abortions were illegal. How the rich and privileged still had access to safe abortions yet the poor and middle class were stuck being lectured to about how evil it is and how mothers killed themselves trying to do it at home. That's not a system I want to go back to. And I don't believe the religious-right for one second that if they get their way, repeal Roe-vs.-Wade and outlaw abortions 100% that they will follow through and apply that law equally to all citizens. That the white elite will still have access when needed for their sons and daughters. That unwanted pregnancies won't still happen to good people and derail otherwise extremely promising and productive lives that maybe abortions could save (and teach a lesson). That unwanted children won't be born into lives of poverty and despair and neglect with zero chance of success (and not be put up for adoption like the Utopian idea being sold).
I don't believe any of that rainbow will happen if you guys get your way. None of it.
Sometimes making something illegal doesn't make it go away.
In “The Morality of Birth Control,” a 1921 speech, Sanger divided society into three groups: the "educated and informed" class that regulated the size of their families, the "intelligent and responsible" who desired to control their families however did not have the means or the knowledge and the "irresponsible and reckless people" whose religious scruples "prevent their exercising control over their numbers.” Sanger concludes “there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped