Ray Rice plea deal

[Bigappleyinzer]

SPEAKING from experience........ I won't go into the why part (i'm the good one in this story), but I'll tell you what happened. I was being hit by a woman, her hands were made into fists. She was repeatedly swing & hitting me. after about 3-5 hits, I grabbed both wrists, using the wrists I bent her to her knees. I held her there long enough for her to realize what she was doing. I felt she was done swinging so I let go and left, I did not ever return to her. There are a lot more details, but NOT anyones business. At the time, as I do this day and age, I feel I did the right thing. It would have been easy to beat the **** out of her, but I was raised better than that. A man can protect themselves, regardless if against another man or woman. Different methods sure, but still defended. Some say if she is going to hit you, that gives you a right to hit back. I don't think so, unless she is really out to damage / kill, then its open game.





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This is exactly how 90% of men would react. I also would like to think that there is only a small portion of sick men who 'get their rocks off' by hitting women.

But its crazy how we hold women to different standards- Why is that? Why would a women spit or strike anyone, and not expect to provoke some type of response? Where are these parents that are raising their daughters that its perfectly fine to just go around hitting people?

By not discussing the provocation, we are basically not holding some of these females accountable for their actions. Akin to saying, "Females are illogical and irrational creatures, just disregard what they do even if it may be provoking". This train of though is a very damaging dogma that hurts women far more than it helps....

 

[Superman]

It's not reverse racism, it's just racism. It's like black men are just expected to be violent, whereas if a white guy does something like this it's a big shock. Not to mention she is being portrayed as the "angry black woman" who asked for it. Do you think if Katharine Webb got decked by A.J. McCarron anybody would be partially blaming her? Even if she slapped him first? Black women everywhere should be absolutely outraged by this.

i'd like to hit Katherine Webb. Repeatedly. From many angles.

 

[oneforthebus]

He absolutely did the wrong thing. Stephen A. Smith was suspended for saying that women can do things to provoke a man hitting them, such as striking a man repeatedly. He has a point.

The idea that a professional football player was "provoked" into punching a woman in the head is dangerously close to saying she deserved it. My husband outweighs me by almost 100 pounds, and I can promise you there is nothing in this world I could do that would "provoke" him into punching me in the head. No, she shouldn't be slapping him but in no way shape or form does that absolve him from one shred of responsibility. He could have killed her.

 

[oneforthebus]

This is exactly how 90% of men would react. I also would like to think that there is only a small portion of sick men who 'get their rocks off' by hitting women.

But its crazy how we hold women to different standards- Why is that? Why would a women spit or strike anyone, and not expect to provoke some type of response? Where are these parents that are raising their daughters that its perfectly fine to just go around hitting people?

By not discussing the provocation, we are basically not holding some of these females accountable for their actions. Akin to saying, "Females are illogical and irrational creatures, just disregard what they do even if it may be provoking". This train of though is a very damaging dogma that hurts women far more than it helps....

Accountable for their actions means, they should be arrested and charged with assault. Not punched in the head by a professional football player.

And by the way, I have seen or read no evidence that Janay Palmer initiated the altercation. Why is Smith or anyone else assuming she did? Because she's an "angry black woman"?

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Accountable for their actions means, they should be arrested and charged with assault. Not punched in the head by a professional football player.

And by the way, I have seen or read no evidence that Janay Palmer initiated the altercation. Why is Smith or anyone else assuming she did? Because she's an "angry black woman"?

Lol why do some of you want to throw race into the equation so badly? The fiance admitted that she struck and spat on him. That's why she was so adamant on throwing the case out.

Ray Rice should have not hit her and she should not have hit him. Simple as that

 

[oneforthebus]

Ray Rice should have not hit her and she should not have hit him. Simple as that

No, not that simple. The two are not equivalent acts. The law recognized that, even if Smith's boneheaded comments didn't.

And once again, no evidence whatsoever that she was the one doing the "provoking". None of us have any idea what started the fight.

 

[Drink IRON City]

This is exactly how 90% of men would react. I also would like to think that there is only a small portion of sick men who 'get their rocks off' by hitting women.

But its crazy how we hold women to different standards- Why is that? Why would a women spit or strike anyone, and not expect to provoke some type of response? Where are these parents that are raising their daughters that its perfectly fine to just go around hitting people?By not discussing the provocation, we are basically not holding some of these females accountable for their actions. Akin to saying, "Females are illogical and irrational creatures, just disregard what they do even if it may be provoking". This train of though is a very damaging dogma that hurts women far more than it helps....

That's just it, holding them accountable. Society has been male dominated for years and years, now the equality of the species. Society needs to catch up on what that means.

i'd like to hit Katherine Webb. Repeatedly. From many angles.

Only problem, since the Herpes list came out and your name is on it..... Katherine knows how to read, well you can figure out her "angle" on you.

Accountable for their actions means, they should be arrested and charged with assault. Not punched in the head by a professional football player.

And by the way, I have seen or read no evidence that Janay Palmer initiated the altercation. Why is Smith or anyone else assuming she did? Because she's an "angry black woman"?

Fully agree on the arrested and charged!!!! as for the rest See below quote

Lol why do some of you want to throw race into the equation so badly? The fiance admitted that she struck and spat on him. That's why she was so adamant on throwing the case out.

Ray Rice should have not hit her and she should not have hit him. Simple as that

I'm not a race thrower but am hearing what you are saying. I read the same thing and interpreted that she struck & spat on him. He took it to far, but so did she. Why wasn't she arrested?


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[oneforthebus]

Why wasn't she arrested?

She was arrested, and charged with simple assault. Charges were later dropped, most likely because Ray probably wasn't going to testify against her for slapping him after knocking her unconscious with his fist.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

No, not that simple. The two are not equivalent acts. The law recognized that, even if Smith's boneheaded comments didn't.

And once again, no evidence whatsoever that she was the one doing the "provoking". None of us have any idea what started the fight.

1.) Ray Rice punched his fiance and dragged her by hair- no one, including Smith, is justifying his behavior. SAS simply said for women to not purposefully provoke men into violence with spitting or any other type of violence. Once again, no one should be hitting anyone- man or woman. Everyone should be accountable for their actions. You think its ok for your daughter to start wailing on your son? Would you say to yourself, "Oh its just girls being girls"?

2.) From the mouth of his now wife- "I do deeply regret the role I played in the incident that night," Palmer said. It appears as if she is holding herself accountable- which is quite respectable given what Rice had done.

 

[Drink IRON City]

My bad oneforthebus, I hadn't read that or forgotten I'd read that. Thanks for the reminder


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[oneforthebus]

1.) Ray Rice punched his fiance and dragged her by hair- no one, including Smith, is justifying his behavior. SAS simply said for women to not purposefully provoke men into violence with spitting or any other type of violence. Once again, no one should be hitting anyone- man or woman. Everyone should be accountable for their actions. You think its ok for your daughter to start wailing on your son? Would you say to yourself, "Oh its just girls being girls"?

2.) From the mouth of his now wife- "I do deeply regret the role I played in the incident that night," Palmer said. It appears as if she is holding herself accountable- which is quite respectable given what Rice had done.

1) No, it's not "OK" for her to hit him. Not at all, nobody said it was "OK". (Of course, we have no idea if she was "wailing on him". Again, why are you or Smith making that assumption?) However, if my son was a large, muscular professional athlete and my small, regular sized person daughter was slapping him, no I would not expect him to punch her in the head and knock her unconscious, even if she was "wailing on him". Discussing two people of relatively equal size and strength getting into a physical altercation really has no relevance whatsoever to this situation.

2) Obviously, there are plenty of reasons why Palmer would attempt to take on some of the blame herself. Not wanting to bring the gravy train to a screeching halt, being number one. Fear, being another possibility that no one wants to talk about. I don't care what the role she played in the incident was. Unless she was wielding a weapon of some sort, she did not "provoke" being punched in the head, knocked unconscious and dragged out of the elevator like a bag of garbage. Any whiff of defending him for these actions is just unbelievable to me. And anyone who says "I'm not defending him, but she shouldn't have provoked this" is, in fact, defending him. He could have walked away. He could have called security. He wasn't in danger of any sort. His actions are HIS responsibility, his alone. The idea that "she made him mad so she's partially responsible" is absolutely ludicrous. And it's a shame that by her own actions after the fact, she is contributing to that perception.

 

[Steelerfan]

A local radio host made a good point about how words are punished more severely than physical abuse in today's world. Stephen A. gets suspended 7 days for speaking. Ray Rice gets 2 days for physical violence. I know its a more complicated issue than that but its a valid point. Tony Dungy, et. al. get alot more outrage for supposedly offending people than Rice and other players who have committed violence. The whole freaking world is upside down these days.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

1) No, it's not "OK" for her to hit him. Not at all, nobody said it was "OK". (Of course, we have no idea if she was "wailing on him". Again, why are you or Smith making that assumption?) However, if my son was a large, muscular professional athlete and my small, regular sized person daughter was slapping him, no I would not expect him to punch her in the head and knock her unconscious, even if she was "wailing on him". Discussing two people of relatively equal size and strength getting into a physical altercation really has no relevance whatsoever to this situation.

2) Obviously, there are plenty of reasons why Palmer would attempt to take on some of the blame herself. Not wanting to bring the gravy train to a screeching halt, being number one. Fear, being another possibility that no one wants to talk about. I don't care what the role she played in the incident was. Unless she was wielding a weapon of some sort, she did not "provoke" being punched in the head, knocked unconscious and dragged out of the elevator like a bag of garbage. Any whiff of defending him for these actions is just unbelievable to me. And anyone who says "I'm not defending him, but she shouldn't have provoked this" is, in fact, defending him. He could have walked away. He could have called security. He wasn't in danger of any sort. His actions are HIS responsibility, his alone. The idea that "she made him mad so she's partially responsible" is absolutely ludicrous. And it's a shame that by her own actions after the fact, she is contributing to that perception.

1.) So if they were of equal size you would have no problems?

2.)You say, "he should've walked away, or called security". I wholeheartedly agree. But why arent you also asking yourself "she shouldve have just walked away, and never had spit/hit on him?". Or- Was she in any danger when she hit him first? Once again, you are dismissing any accountability for her actions.

Youre basically telling me that "Yea, she was hitting him, but whatever, he should know better than her"

 

[diver]

Lol why do some of you want to throw race into the equation so badly? The fiance admitted that she struck and spat on him. That's why she was so adamant on throwing the case out.

Ray Rice should have not hit her and she should not have hit him. Simple as that

Because, if you listen to the news, everything is about race. You cannot escape it.

I have been told that since I do not agree with this President's policies, I am a racist.
I have been told since I do not like illegals streaming over the border, I am a racist. Hell, just calling them illegals is now a racist term.
If I use the word "Chicago" to show the lunacy of gun control laws, that is racist.
The Attorney General has stated that his treatment in front of Congress is not about anything he did or did not do, but the racist element in Congress. Never mind that past Attorney Generals have been treated far worse.
I could go on for a while.

The concept of racism has been so skewed that we don't see the real thing when it happens, like the blatant anti-Semitism that is going on now here and around the world as it pertains to Israel.

Therefore, if our President wants to blame things on racism when he doesn't get his way, dammit, I can to. I think Ray Rice should be suspended a hell of a lot longer than 2 games. I didn't get my way. It is racism.

 

[oneforthebus]

1.) So if they were of equal size you would have no problems?

2.)You say, "he should've walked away, or called security". I wholeheartedly agree. But why arent you also asking yourself "she shouldve have just walked away, and never had spit/hit on him?". Or- Was she in any danger when she hit him first? Once again, you are dismissing any accountability for her actions.

Youre basically telling me that "Yea, she was hitting him, but whatever, he should know better than her"

Ok, last attempt, we are going in circles here. Nobody said "I have no problem with" her hitting him, ok? Never once have I said that! All I've said is that is not "provocation" for him to punch her in the face and knock her unconscious. That is ON HIM. Nobody else but him. She is 100% to blame for whatever injury she caused him. He is 100% to blame for the injuries he caused her. She has NO RESPONSIBILITY for HIS ACTIONS. Period. Saying she "provoked" him implies she shares in the responsibility for what HE DID. She does not.

And one more time, we have NO IDEA if she hit him first, how the altercation started, or who initiated it. None.

 

[Wingman]

Please spare me the reverse racism bullshit

Because we both know that if Ray Rice had struck a white female- He would have been suspended for whole freggin year

Bullshit complete Bullshit

 

[oneforthebus]

Because, if you listen to the news, everything is about race. You cannot escape it.

I have been told that since I do not agree with this President's policies, I am a racist.
I have been told since I do not like illegals streaming over the border, I am a racist. Hell, just calling them illegals is now a racist term.
If I use the word "Chicago" to show the lunacy of gun control laws, that is racist.
The Attorney General has stated that his treatment in front of Congress is not about anything he did or did not do, but the racist element in Congress. Never mind that past Attorney Generals have been treated far worse.
I could go on for a while.

The concept of racism has been so skewed that we don't see the real thing when it happens, like the blatant anti-Semitism that is going on now here and around the world as it pertains to Israel.

Therefore, if our President wants to blame things on racism when he doesn't get his way, dammit, I can to. I think Ray Rice should be suspended a hell of a lot longer than 2 games. I didn't get my way. It is racism.

I am the last person to blame racism for everything. I do think incidences like these are viewed differently by some people through the prism of race though. I think if Ben Roethlisberger punched Ashley in the head he would be viewed with much more repugnance than Rice is being viewed, and no one would be talking about what she might have done to provoke it. Because it's almost like violence is expected out of black men, and so-called "provocative" behavior is expected out of black women. It's not as big of a shock to some people's sensibilities, as it should be.

 

[Wingman]

What happened to all this equality bullshit. A person has the right to defend themselves. If you do not want to get hit back do not hit someone, how hard is that. Also if you are attacking someone you would have a reasonable expectation of being injured when they are defending themselves. Life does not need to be that complicated. No woman should think because of gender she is allowed to go up to and strike a man and not get hit. It is illegal to discriminate based on gender as well as other things. Equal rights come with equal responsibility.

 

[EdReed4Prez]

Ok, last attempt, we are going in circles here. Nobody said "I have no problem with" her hitting him, ok? Never once have I said that! All I've said is that is not "provocation" for him to punch her in the face and knock her unconscious. That is ON HIM. Nobody else but him. She is 100% to blame for whatever injury she caused him. He is 100% to blame for the injuries he caused her. She has NO RESPONSIBILITY for HIS ACTIONS. Period. Saying she "provoked" him implies she shares in the responsibility for what HE DID. She does not.

And one more time, we have NO IDEA if she hit him first, how the altercation started, or who initiated it. None.

So if I hit Mike Tyson he's 100% responsible for the injuries he causes me? Or does that rule only work with women?

 

[Drink IRON City]

Bottom line here is ray rice got off easy. A normal person, would have gotten a sentence, with jail time suspended, then on probation for 1-3yrs., with counseling mandatory. 25years ago, it was always the man's fault. This day and age, some women are being prosecuted. We are moving in the right direction, just real slow.


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[SteelerinMD]

Raven buddy sent me this...

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

So if I hit Mike Tyson he's 100% responsible for the injuries he causes me? Or does that rule only work with women?

I think you would be dead. Or missing an ear. Lol.

 

[DBS1970]

So if I hit Mike Tyson he's 100% responsible for the injuries he causes me? Or does that rule only work with women?

Don't try and be logical with modern women.