Remember the good old Cowher days?

[MTC]

Why did you remind me of that game.

First game came to mind when it came to Martyball lol

 

[diver]

Martyball was Cowher’s identity. Still find it funny how it worked for him. So much so that in 2002 the Steelers led in almost every statistical category vs the expansion Texans and still lost.


I do miss the Cowher era days though

I remember that game too. But that had nothing to do with Martyball. Tommy Maddox kept throwing it to the other team...for touchdowns. And they even had a fumble return td. I remember not quite believing what I was watching.

The Falcons tie that year was equally as frustrating.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Don't forget mike Webster munch did amazing things coaching that guy

I think what the common bond was their names, Mike Webster / Mike Muncheck had a lot to do with it.

Add in what Muncheck did while “dirt” Dawson was here and you argue Munch for HOF.


Salute the nation

 

[Coryea]

First game came to mind when it came to Martyball lol

Why did that remind you of martyball? We had like 460 yards offense to their 80, but our QB kept turning the ball over.

 

[Lloyd]

Alex Van Pelt--- That's a name I haven't heard in a long time...A very long time. Back in the day at the old Oyster Pub in Daytona Beach, I was part of a group of Steeler fans that showed up there religiously on Sundays during the early Cowher years. Whenever the starter went off the rails, we'd drunkenly yell out for coach to put in "pork and beans"!!! We want pork and beans!!!! It was our nickname for the guy, based off the similarity to Van Camps Pork & Beans.....I guess you had to be there.... Right @mightyguru ?

I heard the same saying at Jax Beach in the early 2000's, never understood it.

 

[Gildong Sack]

If Bettis would play in today's NFL, he'd be arrested for murdering linebackers and DBs 6 weeks into the season.

Ray Lewis says "Here hold my knife. And don't be talking about Bussie taking my gig."

 

[Gildong Sack]

The worst memory from the Cowher era for me was the 1994 playoff loss to the underdog Chargers…in our house.
Heavy favorites, we were kicking their a$$ all game, 415 total yards to their 226.
Except we couldn’t score.

The Chargers needed only one big play courtesy of a defensive breakdown that left their TE wide open for 43yd TD.

Maybe Eric Green and company were too focused on making a Super Bowl Rap video which never came to fruition.

Tim McKyer was so distraught and overwhelmed over the loss he didn’t have the strength to walk off the field.

Wow. An era where players cared about more than just money.

 

[Gildong Sack]

At least a couple anyways. HCMT would have hitched onto some other team and they'd be enjoying mediocre year after year after year...

I would guess not even mediocrity dependent of course on what organization he went to.

Let me put it like this: How many of those years did Ben will the team to victory in games they had no business winning? Games that would push their record to over .500?

I will venture to say that if Tomlin had become the head coach of say the Browns or the Raiders not only would he not be a head coach after 4 or 5 years he might not even be an NFL coordinator...maybe an assistant or maybe a college coach. "Never say never!" But...yeah think about it.

Being hired by the Steelers was the goose that laid the golden egg for Mediocre Mike. Like a winning Lotto ticket.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

I would guess not even mediocrity dependent of course on what organization he went to.

Let me put it like this: How many of those years did Ben will the team to victory in games they had no business winning? Games that would push their record to over .500?

I will venture to say that if Tomlin had become the head coach of say the Browns or the Raiders not only would he not be a head coach after 4 or 5 years he might not even be an NFL coordinator...maybe an assistant or maybe a college coach. "Never say never!" But...yeah think about it.

Being hired by the Steelers was the goose that laid the golden egg for Mediocre Mike. Like a winning Lotto ticket.

Can you imagine? And the bad team that hired him would no doubt give a man with his reputation full control assembling his staff, which is probably good news for guys like Fichtner, Canada, and Butler, but bad news for this new team.

 

[Lloyd]

I remember that game too. But that had nothing to do with Martyball. Tommy Maddox kept throwing it to the other team...for touchdowns. And they even had a fumble return td. I remember not quite believing what I was watching.

The Falcons tie that year was equally as frustrating.

The Houston Maddox game and Falcons tie...both at the fringe of my memory.

 

[Hypocycloids]

The Houston Maddox game and Falcons tie...both at the fringe of my memory.

Thanks for sharing. As you know we care that deeply about what you think.

 

[BLITZ]

Back to the cowher days......

That guy knew the importance of drafting the trenches. Searcy,hampton,steed,etc.. not Stephen's.

Loved those drafts

 

[Steelersfan84]

I would guess not even mediocrity dependent of course on what organization he went to.

Let me put it like this: How many of those years did Ben will the team to victory in games they had no business winning? Games that would push their record to over .500?

I will venture to say that if Tomlin had become the head coach of say the Browns or the Raiders not only would he not be a head coach after 4 or 5 years he might not even be an NFL coordinator...maybe an assistant or maybe a college coach. "Never say never!" But...yeah think about it.

Being hired by the Steelers was the goose that laid the golden egg for Mediocre Mike. Like a winning Lotto ticket.

A future hof qb who was already 5-1 in the postseason with a sb, two future defensive players of the year, a hof defensive coordinator who led you to a top 5 defense 6 years in a row, and a team that finished top 10 on both sides of the ball. Boy did Tomlin cash in at the right time after leading that 31st ranked pass defense in Minnesota in 2006.

 

[SteveA]

Bettis had a superior OL vs. Najee's swinging doors...

I mean we DID burn our last 2 #1's on the line & a 4th last year...Plus we traded up for Broderick...

Our line issues look no more settled than 2 years ago, & we have burned assets here, so it's tough. At least they've tried to get this line shored up...

You can't get that type of production out of your last 2 #1's...Injuries or not, you Just can't...These dudes were supposed to be our Bookends

That has really stunted our offenses growth, these 2 #1's not getting rolling...Our combined production from them ain't a whole lot

Well except BJ's 3 penalties on one drive...

 

[WindyCitySteel]

A future hof qb who was already 5-1 in the postseason with a sb, two future defensive players of the year, a hof defensive coordinator who led you to a top 5 defense 6 years in a row, and a team that finished top 10 on both sides of the ball. Boy did Tomlin cash in at the right time after leading that 31st ranked pass defense in Minnesota in 2006.

And in a few years Tomlin is going to leave the cupboard bare as they scramble with patch fixes every year to salvage the last few years of TJ, Cam, and Minkah.

Tomlin will walk once they’re done and the team will be in a shambles for the next guy.

 

[BLITZ]

And in a few years Tomlin is going to leave the cupboard bare as they scramble with patch fixes every year to salvage the last few years of TJ, Cam, and Minkah.

Tomlin will walk once they’re done and the team will be in a shambles for the next guy.

I "liked" your post. Buy I don't like your post if you know what I mean

 

[bermudasteel]

I mean we DID burn our last 2 #1's on the line & a 4th last year...Plus we traded up for Broderick...

Our line issues look no more settled than 2 years ago, & we have burned assets here, so it's tough. At least they've tried to get this line shored up...

You can't get that type of production out of your last 2 #1's...Injuries or not, you Just can't...These dudes were supposed to be our Bookends

That has really stunted our offenses growth, these 2 #1's not getting rolling...Our combined production from them ain't a whole lot

Well except BJ's 3 penalties on one drive...

Simple question.

How many games did Troy play at RT???

Now, ask yourself 'what did the coaching staff have to do to mitigate losing Troy AND what were the expectations KNOWING that Dan Moore Jr. could ONLY play LT???'

 

[SteveA]

Simple question.

How many games did Troy play at RT???

Now, ask yourself 'what did the coaching staff have to do to mitigate losing Troy AND what were the expectations KNOWING that Dan Moore Jr. could ONLY play LT???'

That's a different message...Maybe the Steelers NEED to start drafting guys with position flexibility...My point is they drafted #1 2 years in a row the position where it was needed...

So far results are tough to swallow...Hopefully Troy gets his career going & Brodericks elbow is better...Possibly not enuff draft capital this year to address the line again & too many holes anyways

Our last 2 #1's haven't done much really & that hurts

Look at what Philly got out of their Rookie corners drafted #1 last year...Right around where we drafted too

 

[Ron Burgundy]

While this is true, the stretch without a playoff win takes away its significance. Also, the Steelers were the #7 seed in 2 of their past 3 playoff appearances, so they only made it due to the expanded playoff format.

And as I always say, Shades is helped greatly by having the Browns and Bengals in his division, and more recently Lamar Jackson.

 

[Lloyd]

And in a few years Tomlin is going to leave the cupboard bare as they scramble with patch fixes every year to salvage the last few years of TJ, Cam, and Minkah.

Tomlin will walk once they’re done and the team will be in a shambles for the next guy.

It can be fixed fairly quickly with some shrewd drafting if we have a team with sharp acumen.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Martyball was Cowher’s identity. Still find it funny how it worked for him. So much so that in 2002 the Steelers led in almost every statistical category vs the expansion Texans and still lost.


I do miss the Cowher era days though

Chin had an absolutely silly record of something like 100-7-1 when entering the 4th quarter with a lead. Get a lead, hand the ball off to Bam Morris or Jerome Bettis, and win by grinding out the clock and not giving the other the ball back to the other team.
It doesn’t work so well in today’s air assault game but Shades keeps trying to kick that door in.

 

[Badcat]

It can be fixed fairly quickly with some shrewd drafting if we have a team with sharp acumen.

Sorry, but the hell it can! Fixing this team and organization is going to take a complete overhaul and that is certainly NOT done quickly. New coaches, new philosophies on Offense, Defense, and Special teams what players fit and which do not, contract analysis of the full roster, plan and execute a personnel strategy, resetting the scouting room's strategy and perhaps means of analysis, and I could go on and on and on. it's going to take YEARS to burn this trash heap to the ground and build anew.

"Shrewd drafting" there are no magic wands in the draft.

 

[insaniti]

"Shrewd drafting" there are no magic wands in the draft.

You sir, underestimate the value of Fu and a 6th!!

 

[Lloyd]

Sorry, but the hell it can! Fixing this team and organization is going to take a complete overhaul and that is certainly NOT done quickly. New coaches, new philosophies on Offense, Defense, and Special teams what players fit and which do not, contract analysis of the full roster, plan and execute a personnel strategy, resetting the scouting room's strategy and perhaps means of analysis, and I could go on and on and on. it's going to take YEARS to burn this trash heap to the ground and build anew.

"Shrewd drafting" there are no magic wands in the draft.

Bull Kucka, Cowher turned this team around immediately. Yes, he did inherit SOME players from Noll (Dawson, Bubby, Barry Foster, Thomas Everett, Eric Green, Haselrig, Willis, Worley, Woodson, Lloyd, John Jackson, Hoge, Ilkin, Lake, O'Donnell, Mills, Strzelczyk, Evans) but he took a 7-9 Steelers team to a 10-6 playoff team all in a season, that is a quick turnaround. The Steelers were a mostly perennial playoff team from then on, and I don't mean a Clown-lin team, Cowher won in the playoffs.

 

[Coryea]

Bull Kacka, Cowher turned this team around immediately. Yes, he did inherit SOME players from Noll (Dawson, Bubby, Barry Foster, Thomas Everett, Eric Green, Haselrig, Willis, Worley, Woodson, Lloyd, John Jackson, Hoge, Ilkin, Lake, O'Donnell, Mills, Strzelczyk, Evans) but he took a 7-9 Steelers team to a 10-6 playoff team all in a season, that is a quick turnaround. The Steelers were a mostly perennial playoff team from then on, and I don't mean a Clown-lin team, Cowher won in the playoffs.

actually they were 11-5 Cowher's first year, I think the team that went to the Super Bowl in 1995 had 22 new starters compared to what he took over from Noll, it was a quick turn around, I think Cowher set or tied a record, most consecutive playoff appearances to start a career with 6 straight.