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Remember the good old Cowher days?

Lloyd said:
Inherited the best and added the least. Cowher got from Noll:

O'Donnell
Foster
Hoge
Stone
Graham
Cooper
John Jackson
Love
Dawson
Haselrig
Ilkin
Williams
Evans
Davidson
Nickerson
Little
Lloyd
Woodson
Lake
Perry

Not a bad start
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Yeah but of those players, only like 6 were starters in the Super Bowl, Cowher quickly overturned the roster to what he wanted.
 
Coryea said:
Yeah but of those players, only like 6 were starters in the Super Bowl, Cowher quickly overturned the roster to what he wanted.
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Pretty much every roster is quickly overturned from one coach to the next. My point was that Cowher did get a lot of talent from Noll.
 
Lloyd said:
Pretty much every roster is quickly overturned from one coach to the next. My point was that Cowher did get a lot of talent from Noll.
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Look at the 08 and 10 starters and how many starters were from Cowher.
Of those players listed, only Neil, Foster, Jackson, Dawson, Haselrig, Nickerson, Lloyd, Lake, Woodson I'd consider as talent(at their current age when Cowher took over).
Cowher drafted Perry and brought Duval Love in from another team.
 
Coryea said:
Look at the 08 and 10 starters and how many starters were from Cowher.
Of those players listed, only Neil, Foster, Jackson, Dawson, Haselrig, Nickerson, Lloyd, Lake, Woodson I'd consider as talent(at their current age when Cowher took over).
Cowher drafted Perry and brought Duval Love in from another team.
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But BC took over in '92, what did you expect to happen?
 
Lloyd said:
O'Donnell
Foster
Hoge
Stone
Graham
Cooper
John Jackson
Love
Dawson
Haselrig
Ilkin
Williams
Evans
Davidson
Nickerson
Little
Lloyd
Woodson
Lake
Perry

Not a bad start
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I see you sneaking mid guys in there like Neil, Stone, Graham, Cooper, Evans, Davidson, Haselrig…even Hoge if I’m being honest.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
And while we bag on Shades for hiring lousy coordinators, Chin hired two who were almost as bad as Canaduh, Kevin Gilbride and Ray Sherman. Chin at least had the good sense to fire coaches when they sucked.
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Gilbride was a s--- coach. His rep was greatly enhanced by Moon's Houston and the Brunell-led Jags team. Once he was exposed on his own in SD, he was a horribly terrible coach. He didn't have the temperment.
 
Lloyd said:
Gilbride was a s--- coach. His rep was greatly enhanced by Moon's Houston and the Brunell-led Jags team. Once he was exposed on his own in SD, he was a horribly terrible coach. He didn't have the temperment.
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Gilbride had 10 top-10 offenses as a coordinator, 11th once as well, and was an OC 10 years before Cowher hired him, 10 more after he fired him. That is a damn sight better than Tomlin pulling Fichtner and Canada out of nowhere, neither was OC before coming to or after leaving the Steelers.
 
Coryea said:
Yeah but of those players, only like 6 were starters in the Super Bowl, Cowher quickly overturned the roster to what he wanted.
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He did get a HOF one of the best ever corners in Woodson and the same for Dawson at Center. That's a pretty good parting gift from Noll.


and Greg Lloyd &Carnell Lake.
 
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Lloyd said:
Gilbride was a s--- coach. His rep was greatly enhanced by Moon's Houston and the Brunell-led Jags team. Once he was exposed on his own in SD, he was a horribly terrible coach. He didn't have the temperment.
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WindyCitySteel said:
Gilbride had 10 top-10 offenses as a coordinator, 11th once as well, and was an OC 10 years before Cowher hired him, 10 more after he fired him. That is a damn sight better than Tomlin pulling Fichtner and Canada out of nowhere, neither was OC before coming to or after leaving the Steelers.
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We found out why Buddy Ryan punched him on the sideline though. :D
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
reposting **** from 7 pages ago where i was sarcastic about someone talking about winning with cower players...like that isnt said every other day here. Whats the point of you quoting this?
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I probably got tired of your sarcastic take on your favorite poster.....just as you are tired of their posts. My bad.

My actual point was......if you bring receipts you will simply shut down his argument and narritive.

I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. Sorry about that.
 
It's a subject that's been beaten to death. I don't disagree with any of it. I'm sick of the same horse shat regurgitated over and over and the bashing of shades and the bitching and moaning. I like Steelers football. I can't even come here and read stories opinions or ideas without captain cranium chiming in with his same culumnies over and over. . New guy comes in and says same **** we endure daily here . I made a sarcastic comment about it. Then it's dragged up 7 pages later. So yeah , wtf.
I agree with 99% of the sentiments voiced on the forum about Tomlin, cowhers players, tomlinship etc. I just HAVE to choose not to dwell there because , well it sucks there .
 
Steelr4evr said:
He did get a HOF one of the best ever corners in Woodson and the same for Dawson at Center. That's a pretty good parting gift from Noll.


and Greg Lloyd &Carnell Lake.
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Agreed, but Woodson got hurt the very first game in 1995, so we didn't have him that entire season and made the Super Bowl. No one is saying he started with nothing, just pointing out that he very quickly turned the roster into what he wanted, meanwhile we've watched Shades just get worse and worse as the players he inherited retired. Tomlin has had very minimal post season success, other than when Cowher's players/Coaches were still there.
 
Coryea said:
Agreed, but Woodson got hurt the very first game in 1995, so we didn't have him that entire season and made the Super Bowl. No one is saying he started with nothing, just pointing out that he very quickly turned the roster into what he wanted, meanwhile we've watched Shades just get worse and worse as the players he inherited retired. Tomlin has had very minimal post season success, other than when Cowher's players/Coaches were still there.
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My point was kinda like Noll left Cowher a great foundation that he built upon,he left Tomlin a championship team, which has just like you said regressed to what it is now. Which isn't very good at any one thing and certainly great at nothing.
 
Somehow this whole discussion turned from whoever follows Tomlin is going to inherit a bare cupboard to Cowher started with nothing (even tho it's not true). I don't know what Cowher has to do with the state of the Steelers today, and what they will look like in the estimated 3 years when someone else is running the show.
 
insaniti said:
Somehow this whole discussion turned from whoever follows Tomlin is going to inherit a bare cupboard to Cowher started with nothing (even tho it's not true). I don't know what Cowher has to do with the state of the Steelers today, and what they will look like in the estimated 3 years when someone else is running the show.
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It's the dead horse that keeps getting beat over and over again. Tomlin won with a largely Cowher team. Well, no shiit. It is used over and over again as a criticism of Tomlin, ignoring the absolute fact that there is no guarantee that Cowher wins in '08 with that team. It is speculation that he would have. We know Tomlin did. That should really end the discussion.

No one is arguing that the victory in '08 should grant Tomlin a lifetime of head coaching the Steelers.
 
insaniti said:
Somehow this whole discussion turned from whoever follows Tomlin is going to inherit a bare cupboard to Cowher started with nothing (even tho it's not true). I don't know what Cowher has to do with the state of the Steelers today, and what they will look like in the estimated 3 years when someone else is running the show.
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I mean the post is titled, "remember the good old Cowher days"
 
diver said:
It's the dead horse that keeps getting beat over and over again. Tomlin won with a largely Cowher team. Well, no shiit. It is used over and over again as a criticism of Tomlin, ignoring the absolute fact that there is no guarantee that Cowher wins in '08 with that team. It is speculation that he would have. We know Tomlin did. That should really end the discussion.

No one is arguing that the victory in '08 should grant Tomlin a lifetime of head coaching the Steelers.
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What did you expect this post would be about judging by the title? That's like going to in a place called the Ice Cream Castle, and wondering why they sell ice cream
 
Coryea said:
I mean the post is titled, "remember the good old Cowher days"
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That's how it started, then it progressed to who would be next...and then Cowher got brought back into it, 7 degrees of separation I guess
 
insaniti said:
That's how it started, then it progressed to who would be next...and then Cowher got brought back into it, 7 degrees of separation I guess
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I think the underlying point is that Cowher still built/rebuilt the roster a few times, 12 or 13 different starters in the 95 Super Bowl compared to what he took over, then he turned it over late 90's then again for the 04/05 run. Yeah he only won one Super Bowl, but we were competitive when we made the post season. We are in year what for Tomlin 18 and we're still waiting for him to build a contender, there's no way to argue the his best years as a coach were with guys he didn't draft, and coaches he didn't hire.
 
Coryea said:
What did you expect this post would be about judging by the title? That's like going to in a place called the Ice Cream Castle, and wondering why they sell ice cream
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At the Ice Cream Castle I would have the option of multiple flavors, and maybe some new ones that I have never tried. I guess I opened the thread to see if there was a new flavor, a new argument. Alas, it's still just the same vanilla it's been for the last 15 or so years.
 
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