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Remember the good old Cowher days?

actually they were 11-5 Cowher's first year, I think the team that went to the Super Bowl in 1995 had 22 new starters compared to what he took over from Noll, it was a quick turn around, I think Cowher set or tied a record, most consecutive playoff appearances to start a career with 6 straight.
Also some of Cowher’s playoffs were when The Cheating Bastiges From New England were at the peak of Spygate so I cut him a little slack for that. Without Br*dy and Ernie Adams, Belicheat returned to being rather pedestrian.
When the Steelers were getting to 3 SB’s in 6 years, at no time did they have to face The Cheating Bastiges in the playoffs.
 
actually they were 11-5 Cowher's first year, I think the team that went to the Super Bowl in 1995 had 22 new starters compared to what he took over from Noll, it was a quick turn around, I think Cowher set or tied a record, most consecutive playoff appearances to start a career with 6 straight.
You're right, they were 9-7 in 1993 in Cowher's 2nd season. And they lost to KC in the playoffs week 1. That hurt, I still had high hopes.
 
And while we bag on Shades for hiring lousy coordinators, Chin hired two who were almost as bad as Canaduh, Kevin Gilbride and Ray Sherman. Chin at least had the good sense to fire coaches when they sucked.
 
Bull Kucka, Cowher turned this team around immediately. Yes, he did inherit SOME players from Noll (Dawson, Bubby, Barry Foster, Thomas Everett, Eric Green, Haselrig, Willis, Worley, Woodson, Lloyd, John Jackson, Hoge, Ilkin, Lake, O'Donnell, Mills, Strzelczyk, Evans) but he took a 7-9 Steelers team to a 10-6 playoff team all in a season, that is a quick turnaround. The Steelers were a mostly perennial playoff team from then on, and I don't mean a Clown-lin team, Cowher won in the playoffs.
Cowher inherited a run first team in a run first league that fit his run first philosophy. He also inherited a Pro Bowl QB and RB not to mention a Hall of fame center. Not to mention the Steelers went 9-7 the two years prior and Noll won Coach of the year in 1989.

Coach X would inherit a run first team with no feature back, or QB to mention, in a passing first league. Completely different scenario.

The 1991 Steelers may have had a disappointing season, but it wasn't anything like this **** show organization it is now.
 
Cowher inherited a run first team in a run first league that fit his run first philosophy. He also inherited a Pro Bowl QB and RB not to mention a Hall of fame center. Not to mention the Steelers went 9-7 the two years prior and Noll won Coach of the year in 1989.

Foster was a backup for two seasons under Noll, first team All Pro his first season with Cowher. Neil was 2-6 in two seasons with Noll, Pro Bowl his first season with Cowher. That 9-7 1989 team was the only in the 7 seasons prior to Cowher to make the playoffs, Cowher made them his first six seasons.

The “run first Steelers” ran the ball only 45.3% of the time in 1991, in Cowher’s first season they ran the ball 55% of the time.

Outside of being completely wrong on everything, spot on post!
 
Foster was a backup for two seasons under Noll, first team All Pro his first season with Cowher. Neil was 2-6 in two seasons with Noll, Pro Bowl his first season with Cowher. That 9-7 1989 team was the only in the 7 seasons prior to Cowher to make the playoffs, Cowher made them his first six seasons.

The “run first Steelers” ran the ball only 45.3% of the time in 1991, in Cowher’s first season they ran the ball 55% of the time.

Outside of being completely wrong on everything, spot on post!
Did Cowher not inherit Foster, O'Donnel, Dawson? Did the Steelers not make the playoffs in 1989? Was Chuck Noll not the NFL coach of the year in 1989? tell me again where I am completely wrong on everything. The point is what Cowher inherited contrasting to what coach "X" would inherit from Tomlin today.
 
Did Cowher not inherit Foster, O'Donnel, Dawson? Did the Steelers not make the playoffs in 1989? Was Chuck Noll not the NFL coach of the year in 1989? tell me again where I am completely wrong on everything. The point is what Cowher inherited contrasting to what coach "X" would inherit from Tomlin today.

I feel like these new guys are just coach's other personalities
 
Cowher inherited a run first team in a run first league that fit his run first philosophy. He also inherited a Pro Bowl QB and RB not to mention a Hall of fame center. Not to mention the Steelers went 9-7 the two years prior and Noll won Coach of the year in 1989.

Coach X would inherit a run first team with no feature back, or QB to mention, in a passing first league. Completely different scenario.

The 1991 Steelers may have had a disappointing season, but it wasn't anything like this **** show organization it is now.
Noll won coach of the year? Not to my knowledge.
Lindy Infante won it in 1989.
This has to be brought to attention as Chuck never won a coach of the year award. An absolute travesty.
 
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Did Cowher not inherit Foster, O'Donnel, Dawson? Did the Steelers not make the playoffs in 1989? Was Chuck Noll not the NFL coach of the year in 1989? tell me again where I am completely wrong on everything. The point is what Cowher inherited contrasting to what coach "X" would inherit from Tomlin today.

Foster and O’Donnell were nobodies before Cowher built a system for them. They had one decent 9-win season out of seven prior to Tomlin taking over. To you last point that compares somewhat favorably to what the next coach will inherit in a few years with Watt, TJ, and Minkah all gone
 
I don’t even know who “coach” is, like I said in another thread, I came over from PlanetSteelers.
A poster who got run off and we suspect he comes back with different screen names and IP’s. I never had a problem with him myself but he could be irritating.
 
Foster and O’Donnell were nobodies before Cowher built a system for them. They had one decent 9-win season out of seven prior to Tomlin taking over. To you last point that compares somewhat favorably to what the next coach will inherit in a few years with Watt, TJ, and Minkah all gone
Same dude, and both TJ and Minkah are on defense, I focused the point on offense as HCMT hasn't adapted his philosophy to the ever-changing NFL.
 
Foster and O’Donnell were nobodies before Cowher built a system for them. They had one decent 9-win season out of seven prior to Tomlin taking over. To you last point that compares somewhat favorably to what the next coach will inherit in a few years with Watt, TJ, and Minkah all gone
what the **** are you on about? One decent 9 win season before Tomlin took over? Please tell me this is a major typo, as they went 15-1, 11-5, and 8-8 the three years before Tomlin, including two AFCC games and one SB win. If you're referring to before Cowher took over? It's convenient that you picked 7 years and not 10, and you also missed back to back 9 win seasons. If you had gone with 10 years instead of 7, you would have added in a 10-6 and 9-7 seasons...

Calling O'Donnell and Foster nobodies is fine, but they were in their positions. The way things are going right now, both of those positions are wide open. With QB being a complete unknown for the future. You're also leaving out all of the talent that Cowher did get on the OL and D side of the ball. It wasn't a bare cupboard! lets say that Tomlin coaches out his contract, and it's not renewed. So 3 more years. Who will the next coach inherit that he can build ANYTHING around?

For reference to help you out:
Dermontti Dawsom, Carnell Lake, Barry Foster, Neil O'Donnell, Eric Green, Greg Lloyd, Rod Woodson, Hardy Nickerson, Merril Hoge, Ernie Mills were players drafted by the Steelers in the 5 drafts before Cowher took over. This is not counting his first year.

Larry Foot, Antwaan Randel El, Kendall Simmons, Ike Taylor, Troy Polamalu, Max Starks, Ben Roethlisberger, Heath Miller, Bryant McFadden, Santonio Holmes, Brett Keisel in the 5 drafts before Tomlin took over.

I won't assume to know who we will draft in the next three years, but lets just focus on the last 5 drafts for Tomlin as of right now.
Alex Highsmith, Pat Freiermuth, George Pickens, Joey Porter Jr, Broderick Jones (still up in the air), Payton Wilson, Zach Frazier, Troy Fautanu (definitely up in the air).

Pickens is unknown if he'll be here past this year. But that's not a lot to build off of FOR Tomlin, let alone a coach coming in. The recent drafts have not been good with Tomlin. And there is nothing to point to that say that anything will change under his watch. Leading one to believe that whoever follows Tomlin, will inherit the scraps of a once great franchise to literally build something from the ground up.

Neither Cowher or Tomlin had to start from nothing. They both had solid players to build with, Tomlin having the franchise QB that most teams never even see.
 
A poster who got run off and we suspect he comes back with different screen names and IP’s. I never had a problem with him myself but he could be irritating.

He didn't get run off, he's here...everyone knows who he is, even if he tries to claim otherwise.
 
He didn't get run off, he's here...everyone knows who he is, even if he tries to claim otherwise.
Well yeah, but he has to be incognito, sort of. :cool:
 
not to question you, but this is what I was going off of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pittsburgh_Steelers_seasons
No problem,i thought I might have missed something all these years 🙂
That Wikipedia site is weird and a little confusing. I guess back then they might have show AFC and NFC or even Conferences and had voted for each?
The list that is shown below is the NFL coach of the year award through the years. Chuck got robbed.
Cheers Badcat.

 
No problem,i thought I might have missed something all these years 🙂
That Wikipedia site is weird and a little confusing. I guess back then they might have show AFC and NFC or even Conferences and had voted for each?
The list that is shown below is the NFL coach of the year award through the years. Chuck got robbed.
Cheers Badcat.

Digging in a little more, you are both right. The AP coach of the year award was Lindy Infante, this is the one that is recognized as THE coach of the year award. Noll won the Maxwell Football Club coach of the year award, also known as the Earl "Greasy" Neale Award. It was first awarded in, 1989. Making Noll the first recipient of the award. It's an award, but not really.
 
what the **** are you on about? One decent 9 win season before Tomlin took over? Please tell me this is a major typo, as they went 15-1, 11-5, and 8-8 the three years before Tomlin, including two AFCC games and one SB win. If you're referring to before Cowher took over? It's convenient that you picked 7 years and not 10, and you also missed back to back 9 win seasons. If you had gone with 10 years instead of 7, you would have added in a 10-6 and 9-7 seasons...

Calling O'Donnell and Foster nobodies is fine, but they were in their positions. The way things are going right now, both of those positions are wide open. With QB being a complete unknown for the future. You're also leaving out all of the talent that Cowher did get on the OL and D side of the ball. It wasn't a bare cupboard! lets say that Tomlin coaches out his contract, and it's not renewed. So 3 more years. Who will the next coach inherit that he can build ANYTHING around?

For reference to help you out:
Dermontti Dawsom, Carnell Lake, Barry Foster, Neil O'Donnell, Eric Green, Greg Lloyd, Rod Woodson, Hardy Nickerson, Merril Hoge, Ernie Mills were players drafted by the Steelers in the 5 drafts before Cowher took over. This is not counting his first year.

Larry Foot, Antwaan Randel El, Kendall Simmons, Ike Taylor, Troy Polamalu, Max Starks, Ben Roethlisberger, Heath Miller, Bryant McFadden, Santonio Holmes, Brett Keisel in the 5 drafts before Tomlin took over.

I won't assume to know who we will draft in the next three years, but lets just focus on the last 5 drafts for Tomlin as of right now.
Alex Highsmith, Pat Freiermuth, George Pickens, Joey Porter Jr, Broderick Jones (still up in the air), Payton Wilson, Zach Frazier, Troy Fautanu (definitely up in the air).

Pickens is unknown if he'll be here past this year. But that's not a lot to build off of FOR Tomlin, let alone a coach coming in. The recent drafts have not been good with Tomlin. And there is nothing to point to that say that anything will change under his watch. Leading one to believe that whoever follows Tomlin, will inherit the scraps of a once great franchise to literally build something from the ground up.

Neither Cowher or Tomlin had to start from nothing. They both had solid players to build with, Tomlin having the franchise QB that most teams never even see.

That was a brainfart, I was talking about what Noll left Cowher with — one decent 9-win season in the previous 7.

Of the last three head coaches, Tomlin obviously inherited the best team, and things of that nature.
 
That was a brainfart, I was talking about what Noll left Cowher with — one decent 9-win season in the previous 7.

Of the last three head coaches, Tomlin obviously inherited the best team, and things of that nature.
Ok that's fine, but you still ignored the rest where I addressed that it might have been a typo...back to back 9 win seasons, all the solid drafts that led to the foundation of Cowher's team, and why did you pick 7 years? Because it fit the narrative better? Made it sound more bleak?
 
Ok that's fine, but you still ignored the rest where I addressed that it might have been a typo...back to back 9 win seasons, all the solid drafts that led to the foundation of Cowher's team, and why did you pick 7 years? Because it fit the narrative better? Made it sound more bleak?

That’s a career in the NFL, and the playoff appearance stood out for that stretch. Go back 10 years if you want a round number, doubtful anyone on those teams made it to 1992, though. There were some good foundation picks, but Noll did phuckall with them.
 
That was a brainfart, I was talking about what Noll left Cowher with — one decent 9-win season in the previous 7.

Of the last three head coaches, Tomlin obviously inherited the best team, and things of that nature.
Inherited the best and added the least. Cowher got from Noll:

O'Donnell
Foster
Hoge
Stone
Graham
Cooper
John Jackson
Love
Dawson
Haselrig
Ilkin
Williams
Evans
Davidson
Nickerson
Little
Lloyd
Woodson
Lake
Perry

Not a bad start
 
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