Classic case of no matter what Tombert do they are idiots
Steelers make trade for CB
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According to Boykin the steelers were looking to trade for him prior to the draft but unsuccessful at that time.
The plus to the signing of Boykin.
6 interceptions last year while playing 50% of the snaps.
Still in his rookie contract so he is young enough to be resigned.
He seems to fit the type of player the team is looking for in the secondary, defensive back with ball skills.
The team is trying to remake the secondary and generate turnovers he fits with that.
There are still a couple vets on the team that are getting to be close to the age where they retire or get let go so going younger is a good idea.
6 interceptions last year while playing 50% of the snaps.
Still in his rookie contract so he is young enough to be resigned.
He seems to fit the type of player the team is looking for in the secondary, defensive back with ball skills.
The team is trying to remake the secondary and generate turnovers he fits with that.
There are still a couple vets on the team that are getting to be close to the age where they retire or get let go so going younger is a good idea.
.I would imagine the price was too high pre-draft.
All this translate into "Waaaahhhh, waaaaahhhh, why did Tombert get contract extensions while my brilliance continues to be wasted on this internet message board?"
Del, you are in one of your funks where you can't look at a move objectively because so many of the moves made by Tombert in the past weren't to your liking. You are basically saying "Tombert sucks, our team is going to suck forever, they can't do anything right now or in the future." I mean c'mon, you are not even entertaining the idea that adding Boykin will make the defense better even though you think Boykin is a pretty good player. Take your hurt feelings out of the equation and try again.
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Tomlin may have mentioned it to let everyone know the added value Boykin can provide and also send a message to the guys (Archer) already on the team that their is a new candidate. Step up.
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Agreed antdrewjosh. Dri has got to put the pedal to the metal and start showing something on returns. The time is now. His roster spot may be safe regardless until Bell gets back, but he has to carve out a role for himself. As adamant of a Dri Archer supporter as I've been, I'll be the first to say let's bump his *** to the curb if he can't get the job done.
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I'm lost too...need some oxygen so I can dive deeper into it w/ you, Diver....HELP?!?!?
That's some funny chyt right there!!!!
Dri is going to kick you in your kneecaps, Unc...
If Boykin is "OK" (using your terminology) and statically he's better than ANY DB on our roster - what does that make him??? Seriously, it is very rare when we have our 4th and/or 5th rounders [I'm gonna even throw in that 3rd round compensatory pick for the sharks] pan out from the draft. This trade is WITHOUT A DOUBT worth every penny of the million dollars in cap room. Besides, he hasn't play a down w/ the team yet in a game - how do you know that he cannot play outside??? I pray that we see both Boykin and Golson on the outside one day soon. I would also like to see Holliman make the team and get on the field with both of the playmakers on the corners. This defense can be special considering the possibilities of game changers that have been added to the roster.
We shall see...
Heck Bermuda ... you failed to address:
I guess Tomlin should be promoting some other theory of defense that stresses: be crappy tacklers, shy away from the ball, don't try to strip, all tackling should be one on one, man coverage at all times and let the ball get behind you.
By stressing fundamental football concepts, he's gonna screw this team up. That's why there are 50 coaches out there who are better than him.
I guess Tomlin should be promoting some other theory of defense that stresses: be crappy tacklers, shy away from the ball, don't try to strip, all tackling should be one on one, man coverage at all times and let the ball get behind you.
By stressing fundamental football concepts, he's gonna screw this team up. That's why there are 50 coaches out there who are better than him.
My thoughts exactly - I can already hear the chants - had Boykin gone to the Rats or the P*ts - "why didn't we pick him up during the offseason???" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - but we got 'im!!!
I know, I know...basic football skills is not what "they" want to see - "they" want arena-like football.
Dare I say that EVEN IF the team goes 9-7 --- it's still NOT a losing season and we've got a young team on defense that will only get better.
Phucking logic, meh...
I am going to try and be completely honest here. I do not want to step on toes or offend, so I hope I do not. I don't really want to start a whole race thing.
I am a way to close to 50 small town/country white guy. I am what I am, and try to be nothing but what I am. Over the years, I have worked with a number of young black guys. I just can't relate to them and their experiences, nor can they in many ways relate to mine, perhaps. It just is. I hope that isn't construed as racist. We respected each-other and worked well together. They were all great guys. But when they would get together and talk back and forth, I would feel like an outsider, an interloper. I am sure they felt the same way when my white co-workers would get together and discuss the pig we were getting and going to skin out and butcher up, or something.
Heck, they have made movies and songs about the white guy who tries too hard. Therefore, I just be myself. I wonder if that is Chip Kelly to some degree, and it gets misconstrued as something else.
As it pertains to Golson and Boykin, like I have said so many times, I just want guys who make plays on the ball. They seem to have shown a propensity to do that, and too me that is a better place to start than a guy who may have better measurables who doesn't make plays.
Over the years, we look at all kinds of reasons the Steelers have lost games. One overlooked factor is the number of interceptions that have been dropped that have directly led to lost games, which in turn may have led to missing the playoffs in some of those years.
I don't give a damn about a 5th or 4th round pick or whatever. So what. The draftniks get all worked up about that, but c'mon, it's a 4th at worst. For every Martavis Bryant there are many more Thaddeus Gibsons.
Hell, maybe they get the pick back somehow. Maybe they feel they have too many ILB playing well and can trade one for something.
Over the years, we look at all kinds of reasons the Steelers have lost games. One overlooked factor is the number of interceptions that have been dropped that have directly led to lost games, which in turn may have led to missing the playoffs in some of those years.
I don't give a damn about a 5th or 4th round pick or whatever. So what. The draftniks get all worked up about that, but c'mon, it's a 4th at worst. For every Martavis Bryant there are many more Thaddeus Gibsons.
Hell, maybe they get the pick back somehow. Maybe they feel they have too many ILB playing well and can trade one for something.
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The same guys who say that we are wasting Ben's prime also don't want us to improve our team in 2015 if it means we trade a 4th or 5th round pick in 2016 for one in 2017 (comp pick if Boykin leaves in free agency). It makes no ******* sense at all unless you understand that those guys will not give Tombert credit for anything they do.
Chip Kelly isn't a racist. My guess is that he is one of those too smart for his own good guys that lack social skills. I'm pretty sure the same applies to Belichek. Difference is Belichek wins so everyone falls in line. I think these guys are interpreting his aloofness to more than it is. I think you would have a hard time surviving as a pro/ college football coach if you were a racist. 3/4 of the people you work with are not of your ethnic culture. And there is a big difference, as Diver said, between having a hard time relating to someone else's choice of music, the way they speak etc. and not being respectful of them and being racist. Kelly said they hugged it out. Boykin just needs to play football. He could make some very serious scratch next year if he plays well and isn't any type of a distraction
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I'll give him credit if it works.
You guys make it sound like this move fixes every known problem on our defense.
Nope, they/we recognize it for an attempt to fix an obvious weakness in our defense and position this team to be better than what it was. As such, there's not much to complain about.
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- He's as good as or better than the other corners on the team.
- He comes at a reasonably low price this season.
- He costs a 5th or possibly a 4th round draft pick. And honestly, we suck *** at the draft. So who ******' cares. Were we going to magically pick GOLD next year in the 4th or 5th round? No.
- He's going to force some competition, not only at the DB position, but at the Special Teams spots.
- He's going to play his *** off since it's a "money year."
There simply IS no downside. If we like him we can try to negotiate to keep him. If he's too expensive we have players behind him who we can develop. We weren't likely to find a decent replacement in the 4th or 5th for him anyway next year so who ******* cares. If we end up with a compensatory pick we can waste that and everyone can be happy.
Are we good now?
- He comes at a reasonably low price this season.
- He costs a 5th or possibly a 4th round draft pick. And honestly, we suck *** at the draft. So who ******' cares. Were we going to magically pick GOLD next year in the 4th or 5th round? No.
- He's going to force some competition, not only at the DB position, but at the Special Teams spots.
- He's going to play his *** off since it's a "money year."
There simply IS no downside. If we like him we can try to negotiate to keep him. If he's too expensive we have players behind him who we can develop. We weren't likely to find a decent replacement in the 4th or 5th for him anyway next year so who ******* cares. If we end up with a compensatory pick we can waste that and everyone can be happy.
Are we good now?
I'm not arguing with del. I know he has a different perspective than I do. I can appreciate that, too.
What i see is this move makes us better. No one will confuse this defense with the Steel Curtain, nor any of the early 2000's defenses. But, adding Boykin is a low cost move that absolutely can be a long-term solution. It seems we were trying to get him earlier, but maybe the cost was too great.
At any rate, what's done is done.
Going into the season we have Allen, Gay, Boykin and Blake with experience. Grant, etc will be on the bottom of the totem pole.
After the season, Gay, Boykin and Blake are free agents. Based on age and productivity, and our "investment", I'd think we do reach to Boykin for a long-term deal.
What i see is this move makes us better. No one will confuse this defense with the Steel Curtain, nor any of the early 2000's defenses. But, adding Boykin is a low cost move that absolutely can be a long-term solution. It seems we were trying to get him earlier, but maybe the cost was too great.
At any rate, what's done is done.
Going into the season we have Allen, Gay, Boykin and Blake with experience. Grant, etc will be on the bottom of the totem pole.
After the season, Gay, Boykin and Blake are free agents. Based on age and productivity, and our "investment", I'd think we do reach to Boykin for a long-term deal.
Ah great, glad you will acknowledge Tombert if they bring the Lombardi home this year. I'll sleep better knowing that. Seriously, Del, you need to step away for awhile and come back fresh --- you're rooting for Tombert to fail and that's kind of a dark place.
No, not at all. I know they still have issues back there. I just like the fact that they are trying to address a problem area with guys who can make a play on the ball. I don't know if it will work, either. However, as I keep saying, I would rather start with that than with some guy with better measureables who can't play the ball.
We have watched that **** for too long. Let's see what happens.
People overreact to far one way or the other. You and Vader are knowledgeable guys. However, you seem at times like...If we were buddies in high school or something, and I just got laid by the most beautiful girl in school and I would tell you, you'd say, "Ah, she's ugly." Take the wind right outta my sails.
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Me? I said I like the trade. I just added that it isn't free. He is going to cost them a 4th round pick. 2 starters on defense are 4th rounders and 1 good WR on offense is a 4th. Would you trade those guys for a one year CB that has openly said he wants to start outside and will probably be gone next year. It's a valid question. Again I understand why they did it but I also understand it isn't a no consequence deal.
It's also strange that people love our late round picks this year (and really ever year) but somehow a 4th next year won't make the team and sucks without anyone even knowing who they are.