There is a you tube of him reverse dunking a basketball on what appears to be a regulation rim. His height is fairly irrelevant.
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DJax is the definition of an *******, a locker room cancer, a selfish prick and a thug.
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Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the pickup. Just that he is short - really short.
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True statements. But the boy can jump out of the gym.
And not for nothin'- he is only an inch shorter than Revis.
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Even if everything you say is true, this is still a good move. What is the alternative, just write off the season and wait to fix it next year?
I believe the steelers are a Super Bowl contender if the defense can just play average, middle of the pack. Boykin can go a long way to making that happen and if it costs a 4th or 5th then so be it. Even if he's a 1 year rental.
Whoa. Never said Boykin was an *******. Just worried that they ask him that racist stuff. Why ask him if he had nothing to do with it? Maybe it was just a general ask, I don't know. Reporters trying to stir the turd.
I live on the eastern side of the state. There have been rumors around about Jackson and McCoy being ******** out and about for years. You know how it goes, you know someone who knows someone who served them at a restaurant, and they were jerks or whatever. So maybe you are right, I shouldn't jump to conclusions.
Exactly. And maybe Boykin ends up liking Pittsburgh, and they can somehow find a way to keep him. I don't see the downside, and it's not confusing to me at all...they need help RIGHT NOW at cornerback, and this guy is an instant upgrade, not a "journeyman free agent."
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The media has a boner for bringing race into things at any opportunity. They feel it gives themselves some kind of PC street cred. Oh look, i'm calling out racism, i'm so enlightened and superior to the person who i've implied is a racist without having the stone to actually call them racist.
The key phrase in Boykin's quote is "grown men". When i see Kelly's decisions, i don't see a racist. I see a control freak who will not stand for any player having an independent thought. That's what Boykin was getting at. Kelly doesn't know how to work with men. He wants yes men and kids he can control.
Kelly won a power struggle with former GM Howie Roseman and now Kelly is acting like a pissed off wife throwing all her husband's **** out on the lawn.
They had a real need at the position. They gave up likely a 4th because unless hurt he will play at least 60%. There are multiple ways to look at this move. It might well just have been opportunity. Kelly wanted Boykin moved Steelers swept in. As far as size I don't get hung up on that ****. AB isn't 6'5. And if he was he couldn't do many of the things he does. This kid can go a more than 10 feet into the air for a ball. Who cares if he is 2 to 4 inches shorter than ideal height. It doesn't matter.
Maybe I missed it but I ddin't see anyone mention that he was a return guy coming out of college ( according to Tomlin ). Not for nuttin', AB doesn't need to continue doing that, so we need someone to step up.
I don't see either of these guys limited to "nickel defensive backs." if they have talent, they can play any CB position. If they don't, they will be liabilities. We fall in love with what they have out in Seattle, for example. Big guys. But they aren't just big. They have talent. They would have talent if they were 5'-10".
I have simply had my fill of watching 6-1 guys, as well as 5-9 guys, run around chasing receivers, not challenging the football. They need to see if they can find guys who can make plays on the ball. That is why I liked the Golson pick and think he can be more than a slot guy, same with Boykin. They seem to have proved, Golson on the college level and Boykin in the pros, to be able to make plays on the ball.
I am wondering with the emphasis on the rules as it pertains to receivers if smaller isn't the way to go, if, again if, the talent is there. You can't in theory hit the receivers after 5 anyway, so you better be able to turn your hips quick and stay with them. Smaller guys may be better at that overall.
A matchup I am really looking forward to seeing is if when the Steelers play Seattle, if they put Sherman on Brown. See who gets the better of that matchup. My guess is they won't. They put Sherman on whoever is the other guy, Bryant. Try to take him totally away and they will deal with Brown with other guys. Double up. But I hope we see it, because let's see if Sherman can stay all over the field with a shifty guy like Brown. I think Sherman will struggle, even with all his talent. We'll see.
Personally, I think the timing makes perfect sense. We got Boykin for one year. We drafted 2 CBs. If Boykin doesn't resign, then one of the 2 other CBs should be able to move into a bigger role next year. That way we don't have a logjam of talent behind vets.
to sum up...
we trade away virtually nothing for a defensive guy who instantly makes our secondary leaps and bounds better. A guy who's 25 and is still getting better.
We have Cortez Allen, whom we do not know if he can or will revert to form; William Gay who isn't getting any younger; Antwon Blake whom we're still waiting on; and a handful of rookies and free agents with varying degrees of smoke screens and promise.
Naturally, adding a guy like Boykin is a lightning rod since we should have done this prior to the draft. We all know Tombert can't make draft choices, nor can they make any trade that would help the team. Only by the grace of Ben's arm, AB's hands and Bell's legs are we able to win games.
I really don't see how anyone can even remotely suggest this was a bad move.
We're a better team with Boykin.
we trade away virtually nothing for a defensive guy who instantly makes our secondary leaps and bounds better. A guy who's 25 and is still getting better.
We have Cortez Allen, whom we do not know if he can or will revert to form; William Gay who isn't getting any younger; Antwon Blake whom we're still waiting on; and a handful of rookies and free agents with varying degrees of smoke screens and promise.
Naturally, adding a guy like Boykin is a lightning rod since we should have done this prior to the draft. We all know Tombert can't make draft choices, nor can they make any trade that would help the team. Only by the grace of Ben's arm, AB's hands and Bell's legs are we able to win games.
I really don't see how anyone can even remotely suggest this was a bad move.
We're a better team with Boykin.
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I don't know if I consider a 4th round pick and over $1 million in additional salary cap room (that can be used or not used and save up for next season) as "nothing" in terms of what we traded.
To me, Boykin was going to be cut or a free agent after this season anyhow. And I doubt we sign him to a long term extension before September 1st, right? And we're not going to tag him next off-season. So he IS going to hit free agency next year, correct? Any chance he doesn't hit free agency means we gave him a new deal between the end of the season and March 5th. But those deals are just free agent deals. No real cost savings.
So let's call this what it is. We traded a 4th and used up an additional $1 million of cap room for ONE season of Brandon Boykin. That's the trade. It is not a "steal". Now that I'm in work today, most of the local Philly guys could care less. They consider themselves 6 deep at CB and Boykin as their starting nickel defender, nothing more. They seem to think they have other nickel guys on the roster for less money and they save themselves $1 million in cap room that will likely be carried over into next season. There were a lot of people that think Chip Kelly was going to cut Boykin anyhow and are happy they got something for him.
I don't really understand all the excitement. Boykin is OKAY. He's not that great a CB. He does fit the similar makeup of the players we drafted, so there seems to be a shift to this body type at the position. Whether that leads to success on the field, I have no clue. We are small. LB's are small. CB's are small. Tomlin's going to promote typical Tampa-2 thinking: be good tacklers, attack the ball, go for strips, gang tackle, lots of zone coverages, keep the ball in front of you.
We'll see if it works.
Again, Boykin is an upgrade (in the slot) but he's not some savior to our backfield. If he ends up playing the outside (because Allen is just plain bad), the pick will definitely turn into a 4th rounder (he'll get 60% of the snaps then). And our starting outside CB's are both 5'-10" or smaller (Gay/Boykin). And our starting safety could be 5'-8" (Thomas).
Between the 20's that might work. Red zone? Lord help us.
To me, Boykin was going to be cut or a free agent after this season anyhow. And I doubt we sign him to a long term extension before September 1st, right? And we're not going to tag him next off-season. So he IS going to hit free agency next year, correct? Any chance he doesn't hit free agency means we gave him a new deal between the end of the season and March 5th. But those deals are just free agent deals. No real cost savings.
So let's call this what it is. We traded a 4th and used up an additional $1 million of cap room for ONE season of Brandon Boykin. That's the trade. It is not a "steal". Now that I'm in work today, most of the local Philly guys could care less. They consider themselves 6 deep at CB and Boykin as their starting nickel defender, nothing more. They seem to think they have other nickel guys on the roster for less money and they save themselves $1 million in cap room that will likely be carried over into next season. There were a lot of people that think Chip Kelly was going to cut Boykin anyhow and are happy they got something for him.
I don't really understand all the excitement. Boykin is OKAY. He's not that great a CB. He does fit the similar makeup of the players we drafted, so there seems to be a shift to this body type at the position. Whether that leads to success on the field, I have no clue. We are small. LB's are small. CB's are small. Tomlin's going to promote typical Tampa-2 thinking: be good tacklers, attack the ball, go for strips, gang tackle, lots of zone coverages, keep the ball in front of you.
We'll see if it works.
Again, Boykin is an upgrade (in the slot) but he's not some savior to our backfield. If he ends up playing the outside (because Allen is just plain bad), the pick will definitely turn into a 4th rounder (he'll get 60% of the snaps then). And our starting outside CB's are both 5'-10" or smaller (Gay/Boykin). And our starting safety could be 5'-8" (Thomas).
Between the 20's that might work. Red zone? Lord help us.
Last year 2 5'10 and 2 5'11players made up half of the 8 CBs on the pro bowl roster. size isn't as big an issue as people think now that downfield contact is basically forbidden.
I just don't see any downside to upgrading a team that can win now to have a better shot at winning now at the relatively low cost of a 4th rounder. even with a fairly good pick in that spot that player probably isn't contributing till 3 seasons down the line as of this moment. I will take a year of a known commodity at a position of weakness over an unknown player that wont be a factor for years. we are talking about a draft pick that is likely going to be in the 125 to 135 spot depending on how well we do and 3rd round comp picks handed out... if he plays well enough to make that pick a 4th rounder, we will likely get a comp pick back for him anyhow.
I just do not see any downside here
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The downside is a 9-7 season. The secondary isn't improved (with or without Boykin). We let Boykin walk. And we're out a 4th round draft pick and $1 million less on our salary cap books next year.
That's the downside.
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The 2014 NFL draft the Steelers took Bryant in the 4th round. Would you trade him for one year of service from Boykin? It didn't take years for him to be a factor. Thomas was drafted the year before and could be a starting safety this year. Allen was a 4th round pick and is a starting CB.
Like I said, I'm ok with the trade but let's not think this didn't cost the Steelers something because it did. Draft picks are more valuable than people give them credit for.
but if we're "out a 4th round pick", wouldn't a compensatory pick match or make up for that?
what was our record last year? Optimistically, we'll likely have a similar record and make the playoffs.
Even if Boykin leaves, we'll have Grant and Golson with a year of experience. Maybe being around a pro like Boykin will help them advance their skill set.
Maybe Boykin does sign a long-term contract with us and gives us a solid #2 CB. Is that worth a 4th next year? Boykin is just three years older than our 4th round pick this year.
Aside from that, going 9-7 would mean you have more legitimate concerns than dwelling on the "loss" of a 4th round pick.
what was our record last year? Optimistically, we'll likely have a similar record and make the playoffs.
Even if Boykin leaves, we'll have Grant and Golson with a year of experience. Maybe being around a pro like Boykin will help them advance their skill set.
Maybe Boykin does sign a long-term contract with us and gives us a solid #2 CB. Is that worth a 4th next year? Boykin is just three years older than our 4th round pick this year.
Aside from that, going 9-7 would mean you have more legitimate concerns than dwelling on the "loss" of a 4th round pick.
which the Raiders spent on all of John Bowie.
your call.... Randy ******* Moss or John Who Bowie?
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Last thing I'm saying on this. If the Pats made this move the football world would be saying "Brilliance". And let me tell you their situation at cornerback is not much better than the Steelers. Revis and Browner---------- Gone
Now some of you who play fantasy football or just plain know every player might say there are some real gems in their. But from my perspective. I haven't heard of one of those guys any more than someone outside the Steelers would have heard of our crew.
William Gay and Antwon Blake are also on "one year deals"
so do we re-sign/sign the aging Gay, the unknown Blake or the proven commodity of Boykin?
so do we re-sign/sign the aging Gay, the unknown Blake or the proven commodity of Boykin?
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