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Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

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This might be like throwing gaoline on a dead horse, but this wrinkle just occurred to me - it's been debated that Archer is prone to fumbling. It's also well-known that many players have been banished to Tomlin's doghouse, never to see the field again, because of fumbling. How patient will Tomlin be if Archer coughs one up early in the season?
 
This might be like throwing gaoline on a dead horse...
To what end would someone want to do that? Ah, to ignite the dead horse carcass doused in gasoline, to cremate it? I think that's it. < my latest contribution to get to 63 pgs.
 
Just for the record, I am not pissed. Tired, but not pissed. Just need to sleep soon.......

Grab your blankie and head off to bed, buttercup. We'll keep the thread going till ya get back. :)

Joe
 
this thread's chances of getting to 63 are as safe as Ben with an open backfield on 4th and 35 from his own end zone.
 
this thread's chances of getting to 63 are as safe as Ben with an open backfield on 4th and 35 from his own end zone.

So you're saying the thread is going to actually get maliciously gang-beaten by about 6 hungry 300-lb. men?
 
63 pages?

sure.

Jarvis Jones and Lawrence Timmons vs Mike Adams and Dri Archer on a goal-line drill...who ya got?

JJ and LT all day...


Despite the fact that Dri Archer nearly out benched them all and may very well be the strongest in the group:cool:
 
I was simply using your obvious logic. I mean, Archer is a returner and you obviously think he can be a punt returner....didn't you say this:


So, you stated that because you THINK he cannot return punts and is a kick returner only? BULLSHIT. You won't sack up and say it, but you think he is some all-world return specialist even given his floor as several guys that return kicks AND punts and do so very well. You believe that to your core. Yet, Bryant is a WR only. **** that he returned kickoffs in college. **** on the idea he returned kicks and punts in high school. He cannot do it. WR only. Archer though, is everything. The floor of an elite return guy and the ceiling of an all world specialist that just eats up offenses with his specialized plays. But, no ******* way could he spit the football up a few times in the preseason, find his way to the damn bench, and be out of the NFL without having ANY type of impact. Nope, never could that happen. In fact, you stated he had a better floor than ANY player left in the draft, even those injured players that were considered fringe first rounders that will heal. But Bryant is a WR only. LMAO. Spin it any way you like.

THE TEAM DIDN'T RETURN PUNTS!!! If he didn't return many and the team returned 75 I would say yes, he must not be very good at it. Or if he dropped punts, then I would agree 100%. But the team and him just didn't return a lot of punts. The facts are the Steelers took him out in a cold and windy day and had him field punts and from all accounts he did well. That means he can catch them so my assumption is they feel comfortable with him to compete with AB for punt return duty. We will see if he wins or not but I know if he becomes our punt return guy you will admit that he is irrefutably a kick return only guy. I on the other hand feel he has a very good shot at being our primary kick AND punt returner.


Why does it matter where they were drafted? A failed player is a failed player. If you want to discuss draft value, then his "value", which is a return specialist, is no greater than any other "specialist" like a kicker or punter. If he cannot give you offensive snaps, he should be viewed like Sepulveda. Period. If you think that is worth a 3rd, I cannot help you. I guess the Raiders really needed a FG kicker when they took Janikowski too.......

Hmmm, one real easy example. Hines Ward and Troy Edwards. 1998 Ward is the 92nd overall pick and flashed a little but in 1999 when you compared him to Edwards on the field he was just better plain and simple. But Edwards continued to start because in 1999 Edwards was the 13th overall pick. It does matter where you are drafted.

And, I am very sure that it was just Rainey's legal troubles that derailed his meteoric rise to the elite levels of the NFL. Not like NFL teams, or the Rooneys, have overlooked someone with a sketchy character issue before.....maybe if he were a QB.....
Again he was a 5th round pick and not much was invested in him.

Nope, his floor is a guy who picks the splinters out his *** for a year or two while he eats a roster spot. How could you have been fine with Austin when the better player on the board, according to you, was easily Archer?
I assume you mean Thomas. I stated before if we could get Thomas in the 4th and redshirt him for a year I'd be all for it. He obviously didn't last that long but if they took him in the 3rd I would have been fine with it. If I'm true to my board I take Tiny Richardson. Need I take McGill. Want I take Dri Archer. What I think we take Bryant.
http://steelernation.com/showthread.php?297-Draft-Day-2/page12

That's what I said. I thought Tiny Richardson was the best value, obviously something with his character or medical had red flags I was not aware of. But the guy I wanted was Archer over Bryant. The fact we got both was amazing. Yes, you hate him he will suck blah blah tiny hands.
Again, who gives a **** where they come from? And, no, you did not say a guy with 14 total kick returns would be a great kick returner, you allude to a guy with 6 piss poor punt returns that fielded some balls in shorts on a windy day being a punt returner....because running around in the wind and catching balls is so similar to doing it with 11-guys running 4.55 down the field and trying to kill you.
THE TEAM DIDN'T RETURN PUNTS!!!!!!! See above!
But, does not change the FACT that Bryant did return kicks in college and did it all through high school. Does not change that a damn bit. But, in order to push Archer up, have to drag Bryant down and degrade his skills.....because Archer's skills just fail to measure up, well, unless he stands on a couple phone books.

For **** sakes I literally thought we'd draft Bryant in the 3rd but I personally wanted Archer. I loved the Bryant pick in the 4th and have high hopes. The facts are Archer has an easier road to get playing time this year. Bryant has to deal with AB, Moore, Wheaton, DHB, Moye, and Justin Brown to get on the field. I hope he does and he does have the talent but unless he jumps into that playbook and really gets his head in the game I doubt he is more than a 4th WR this year. With Jones, Sanders, and Dwyer gone Archer all but likely is the KR guy. And you know they don't want their pro bowl WR returning punts so he will be given every opportunity to win that also. I figure as long as he can catch the punts and not drop them he wins that job. Then they already stated they want to use him as a wrinkle in the offense. Even if that's 2 runs and 2 pass attempts a game he will be touching the ball. If Wheaton is an indicator Bryant might have less than 10 catches.
 
THE TEAM DIDN'T RETURN PUNTS!!! If he didn't return many and the team returned 75 I would say yes, he must not be very good at it. Or if he dropped punts, then I would agree 100%. But the team and him just didn't return a lot of punts. The facts are the Steelers took him out in a cold and windy day and had him field punts and from all accounts he did well. That means he can catch them so my assumption is they feel comfortable with him to compete with AB for punt return duty. We will see if he wins or not but I know if he becomes our punt return guy you will admit that he is irrefutably a kick return only guy. I on the other hand feel he has a very good shot at being our primary kick AND punt returner.

In his 4 seasons at Kent State, they had 78 punt returns. Of that 78, he had 6 returns for 8 yards. Are you really trying to tell me that the guy that could not win the starting punt return job for ******* Kent State is going to move to the NFL and be the best punt returner on the team? If that is the case, we need to spend our first round pick on the guy that beat him out. The good news is, that would be Earnest Calhoun, who also took the kick return duties from Archer this season. The REAL upside, he is 5'6"-150 pounds. Just how we like em.

Why couldn't the great return man win the starting job for Kent State? It is Kent State......

"If he didn't return many and the team returned 75 I would say yes, he must not be very good at it."

Seventy Eight punt returns while he was at Kent State, he got 6. Boooyah.

Hmmm, one real easy example. Hines Ward and Troy Edwards. 1998 Ward is the 92nd overall pick and flashed a little but in 1999 when you compared him to Edwards on the field he was just better plain and simple. But Edwards continued to start because in 1999 Edwards was the 13th overall pick. It does matter where you are drafted.

Hines Ward started 14 games in 1999. Troy Edwards started 6 including the last 5 of the season. In 2000, Edwards started 1 game while Hines started 14. In 2001, Edwards did not get a single start and Hines started 16. In 2002, Edwards was released. Just thought I would point that out.

And, ask Kelvin Beachum and Mike Adams how draft position works out....both drafted in the same year, one a 2nd, one a 7th, who starts?

Again he was a 5th round pick and not much was invested in him.

Yeah, because no 5th round or later pick have ever turned out. And, what you do once you get in camp is not relevant, just where you were drafted.

I assume you mean Thomas. I stated before if we could get Thomas in the 4th and redshirt him for a year I'd be all for it. He obviously didn't last that long but if they took him in the 3rd I would have been fine with it. If I'm true to my board I take Tiny Richardson. Need I take McGill. Want I take Dri Archer. What I think we take Bryant.
http://steelernation.com/showthread.php?297-Draft-Day-2/page12

That's what I said. I thought Tiny Richardson was the best value, obviously something with his character or medical had red flags I was not aware of. But the guy I wanted was Archer over Bryant. The fact we got both was amazing. Yes, you hate him he will suck blah blah tiny hands.

So, there were players available that were better than Archer. Damn, pretty sure you said there was not another player available with a higher floor.

Flip.

Flop.

THE TEAM DIDN'T RETURN PUNTS!!!!!!! See above!

Only 78 of them. I think you meant ARCHER did not return punts.

For **** sakes I literally thought we'd draft Bryant in the 3rd but I personally wanted Archer. I loved the Bryant pick in the 4th and have high hopes. The facts are Archer has an easier road to get playing time this year. Bryant has to deal with AB, Moore, Wheaton, DHB, Moye, and Justin Brown to get on the field. I hope he does and he does have the talent but unless he jumps into that playbook and really gets his head in the game I doubt he is more than a 4th WR this year. With Jones, Sanders, and Dwyer gone Archer all but likely is the KR guy. And you know they don't want their pro bowl WR returning punts so he will be given every opportunity to win that also. I figure as long as he can catch the punts and not drop them he wins that job. Then they already stated they want to use him as a wrinkle in the offense. Even if that's 2 runs and 2 pass attempts a game he will be touching the ball. If Wheaton is an indicator Bryant might have less than 10 catches.

Antonio Brown made a pro bowl as a return man. I seriously doubt they hand that over to a guy that does not, at least, win the job. Wheaton has also returned punts and returned two kickoffs for the Steelers last season before being injured. He is listed as the #1 kickoff return guy on the depth chart right now. Lance Moore returned kicks and punts. Coale also returned punts in college. Justin Brown has been working with the Steelers special teams coach. Yeah, Archer does not have an issue there. Just two experienced veteran NFL return men (one a Pro Bowler) and a host of younger guys wanting the job. I am sure the Steelers just hand that over to an unproven rookie, like they always do. Wait, they never do that.......
 
TMC, I'd like to direct your attention to this clip - starts at 5:20 - where they discuss what they saw of Dri Archer this past weekend, in particular, regarding catching punts. (That part starts at around the 7:00 mark). And let's admit that's the only question here - Archer's ability to catch punts - as it's clear as day what he's capable of once the ball is in his hands.

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-a...-Roundup/1c9b660c-7eff-4bb2-99a6-bbb930302bff
 
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So we are going to act like he wasnt prepared and thats a key word prepared to return punts until an ankle injury shelved those plans. So that means all summer he must of been preparing for the job. Justin Brown worked with the special teams coach??? Doesnt say what they were working on. So im not sure why he is included in the equation. All the other guys have experience but reports are clear they want this guy to take the job. They arent handing him anything but they are giving him every oppurtunity to take it.
 
In his 4 seasons at Kent State, they had 78 punt returns. Of that 78, he had 6 returns for 8 yards. Are you really trying to tell me that the guy that could not win the starting punt return job for ******* Kent State is going to move to the NFL and be the best punt returner on the team? If that is the case, we need to spend our first round pick on the guy that beat him out. The good news is, that would be Earnest Calhoun, who also took the kick return duties from Archer this season. The REAL upside, he is 5'6"-150 pounds. Just how we like em.

As a Freshman and Senior Archer didn't return ANY punts. Freshman probably because he's... a freshman and Senior probably because he was banged up already. In his Sophomore year he had 5 out of the teams 27 and in his Junior season he had 1 out of their whopping 9 punt returns. I know none of this matters because he has no chance of ever returning punts for the Steelers because he has short arms...

Why couldn't the great return man win the starting job for Kent State? It is Kent State......

They didn't have one person return every punt. Looks liek between 3-7 guys did every year. Brown returned all 32 for us last year and that is part of why Archer was drafted!
"If he didn't return many and the team returned 75 I would say yes, he must not be very good at it."

Seventy Eight punt returns while he was at Kent State, he got 6. Boooyah.

Again he didn't return anything, in fact only two kick returns last year. Does that mean he now can't return kicks either? Damn, must be his tiny head.
Hines Ward started 14 games in 1999. Troy Edwards started 6 including the last 5 of the season. In 2000, Edwards started 1 game while Hines started 14. In 2001, Edwards did not get a single start and Hines started 16. In 2002, Edwards was released. Just thought I would point that out.
Starts and snaps are two different things. Edwards sucked from day one and they forced him into the offense. Hines was head and shoulders better but they kept trying to turn edwards into the guy.
And, ask Kelvin Beachum and Mike Adams how draft position works out....both drafted in the same year, one a 2nd, one a 7th, who starts?
Who started the begining of the year last year? Adams because he was a second round pick and was making bank. Beachum was head and shoulders above Adams and Gilbert but because they are drafted higher they get the nod first.

Yeah, because no 5th round or later pick have ever turned out. And, what you do once you get in camp is not relevant, just where you were drafted.
See the Gilbert and Adams explanation above. If you think a 1st round and 7th round pick have an equal chance of making the 53 man once camp starts you are totally and utterly clueless.


So, there were players available that were better than Archer. Damn, pretty sure you said there was not another player available with a higher floor.

Flip.

Flop.
I had Richardson, Bryant, Archer, and McGill all solid 3rd round grades. At that time Richardson was the highest player on my board. I felt McGill was probably the biggest need position at CB. I figured with what Colbert and Co said about getting Ben a tall receiver Bryant as likely the pick. But the guy I wanted, the guy I would draft at that time was Dri Archer.

Only 78 of them. I think you meant ARCHER did not return punts.
Yep, Archer obviously can't return punts... He had so many opportunities... yep.


Antonio Brown made a pro bowl as a return man. I seriously doubt they hand that over to a guy that does not, at least, win the job. Wheaton has also returned punts and returned two kickoffs for the Steelers last season before being injured. He is listed as the #1 kickoff return guy on the depth chart right now. Lance Moore returned kicks and punts. Coale also returned punts in college. Justin Brown has been working with the Steelers special teams coach. Yeah, Archer does not have an issue there. Just two experienced veteran NFL return men (one a Pro Bowler) and a host of younger guys wanting the job. I am sure the Steelers just hand that over to an unproven rookie, like they always do. Wait, they never do that.......
Ok, so Archer has 0% chance of returning kicks or punts. I will remind you of this later.


TMC, I'd to direct your attention to this clip - starts at 5:20 - where they discuss what they saw of Dri Archer this past weekend, in particular, regarding catching punts. And let's admit that's the only question here - Archer's ability to catch punts - as it's clear as day what he's capable of once the ball is in his hands.

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-a...-Roundup/1c9b660c-7eff-4bb2-99a6-bbb930302bff

You shut your mouth when you are talking to TMC. He doesn't let knowledge and facts get between him and his opinion! Archer can't return kicks and punts... he's too short and we all know there's a height requirement to do so!!!
 
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can we get there?
 
TMC, I'd like to direct your attention to this clip - starts at 5:20 - where they discuss what they saw of Dri Archer this past weekend, in particular, regarding catching punts. (That part starts at around the 7:00 mark). And let's admit that's the only question here - Archer's ability to catch punts - as it's clear as day what he's capable of once the ball is in his hands.

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-a...-Roundup/1c9b660c-7eff-4bb2-99a6-bbb930302bff

I do not have to watch the clip, watched it several days ago. I realized that, while running around in shorts with a helmet on, he caught the football. Would you like a list of guys that also did that in rookie camp only do spit it up when guys are bearing down on them?

Again, if he can do it, WHY would Kent State NOT use that weapon on special teams? It is not like they are an offensive juggernaut. Their line blows. Why not take your great open field runner, your threat to make guys miss, and put him in a situation where the field is spread and he can dodge players? Nope. Not gonna do that. Not as a freshman. Not as a sophomore. Not as a redshirt junior or a redshirt senior. Just won't do it. Hell, we won't even do it in the season where he was asked to do damn near everything else. But, let the Steelers kick him a few in practice, not under pressure, and he is the man.
 
TMC - My rather simple answer is that he was their prímary weapon on offense as a RB/WR and was banged up a little so they decided to play it safe. I believe you're overthinking this aspect of Archer's game.
 
As a Freshman and Senior Archer didn't return ANY punts. Freshman probably because he's... a freshman and Senior probably because he was banged up already. In his Sophomore year he had 5 out of the teams 27 and in his Junior season he had 1 out of their whopping 9 punt returns. I know none of this matters because he has no chance of ever returning punts for the Steelers because he has short arms...

So, Kent State is too smart to have a freshman return punts but the Steelers will just hand the job to a guy with 6 collegiate punt returns. I got it. You can babble about the short arms, little hands, needs a booster seat at most restaurants, and all that ****, it does not change the ******* FACT that Kent State had 78 punt opportunities while Archer was on roster and found someone better on 72 of those chances. On his whopping 6 runs, he gathered 8 ******* yards TOTAL. And YOU think he will displace Antonio Brown, one of the better punt returners in the league. Got it. Babble on.....

They didn't have one person return every punt. Looks liek between 3-7 guys did every year. Brown returned all 32 for us last year and that is part of why Archer was drafted!

There is an old saying, why is a coach using two QBs, because he does not have one. Why did Kent State use various punt returners? Because they did not have one. The Steelers had Antonio Brown, one of the better guys in the league last season. How many people returned punts for the Steelers? One. Why? Because they have a punt returner. Kent State did not. Flop around and wiggle all you want, like a big fish on the deck of a boat, but your caught. Flipping and flopping won't do you any good.

Again he didn't return anything, in fact only two kick returns last year. Does that mean he now can't return kicks either? Damn, must be his tiny head.

I would think that it means they had someone better. If I am a team like Kent State, someone that gets their *** kicked regularly, and I have an ultimate return weapon, I damn sure do not shelve it for funsies.

Starts and snaps are two different things. Edwards sucked from day one and they forced him into the offense. Hines was head and shoulders better but they kept trying to turn edwards into the guy.

You said: "But Edwards continued to start". Is it snaps now? Are you sure? Is that the measure you want to use? I mean, you stated starts. You also stated if Archer had like 75 opportunities and did not get snaps, now you are excusing the snaps. Maybe you need a minute to lock down your argument. Take your time.

Who started the begining of the year last year? Adams because he was a second round pick and was making bank. Beachum was head and shoulders above Adams and Gilbert but because they are drafted higher they get the nod first.

So, it is starts again? You sure you do not want to discuss snaps? Because if it were snaps played, I think Beachum wins that one. And, good thing you limit it to who starts the beginning of the year, because Beachum started 12 games and Adams only started 10. Beachum did not get the nod at a tackle spot because of his length. The thing is, Adams stunk it up and lost the starting job to Beachum. Still the 7th rounder has displaced the 2nd rounder, higher salary and all. So, continue to change your argument, snaps, starts, when they started, what color underwear they had on, whatever you need to try to salvage that point.

See the Gilbert and Adams explanation above. If you think a 1st round and 7th round pick have an equal chance of making the 53 man once camp starts you are totally and utterly clueless.

So, it is about making the 53-man roster? Is that what it is about? If that is the case, I think Archer makes the roster. I thought your statements were he would play and impact. ****, hard to keep track of the point you are making, kind of like trying to piss in a swinging jug.....it just keeps moving as you blow out more hot air.


I had Richardson, Bryant, Archer, and McGill all solid 3rd round grades. At that time Richardson was the highest player on my board. I felt McGill was probably the biggest need position at CB. I figured with what Colbert and Co said about getting Ben a tall receiver Bryant as likely the pick. But the guy I wanted, the guy I would draft at that time was Dri Archer.

You stated Archer was the best available. Changing again? I notice a theme.

Yep, Archer obviously can't return punts... He had so many opportunities... yep.

Nope. He did not have the opportunities. Kent State, as a team, had opportunities, but they decided to go by committee. Why? Because they did not have a guy good enough to just take the job. Period. End of discussion. Yet, one of their committee is going to come in and displace a Pro Bowl caliber punt returner as a rookie. Got it. Puff, puff, pass.


Ok, so Archer has 0% chance of returning kicks or punts. I will remind you of this later.

You need a little more straw to fill that man out.


You shut your mouth when you are talking to TMC. He doesn't let knowledge and facts get between him and his opinion! Archer can't return kicks and punts... he's too short and we all know there's a height requirement to do so!!!

That is pretty rich. What facts are you presenting again? Oh, wait, he ran around in shorts and caught punts. Yep, pro bowl here we come. I bet NO other guy has ever ran around in shorts and caught punts. Oh, wait, he ran well in shorts at the combine too.

The problem is, on the football field, in game situations, he was not trusted or valued enough to return punts. He fumbled. He spent the better part of his final year and a half battling injuries. And, he is tiny enough to get pushed around on most playgrounds. Other than that....HELL YEAH.....
 
TMC - My rather simple answer is that he was their prímary weapon on offense as a RB/WR and was banged up a little so they decided to play it safe. I believe you're overthinking this aspect of Archer's game.

And my rather simple answer is, you are so desperate to find the silver lining that you will grasp at anything related to him being able to do the job. He was not banged up as a freshman, sophomore, or most of his junior season. Why was he not used then? He lost the punting and kick returning job to a freshman this season.

Apparently Kent State is not afraid to use freshman IF they can do the job. They just did not use Archer. But, whatever, heard the same **** when they drafted Chris Rainey, how he would change the landscape of games due to his special teams. When I pointed out he did not return punts, heard the same ****. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I know. Archer is faster.
 
Dri Archer is a "starter" return guy
http://joeyporterspitbulls.blogspot.hu/2014/05/dri-archer-is-starter-return-guy-kevin.html
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If that's the case, we all wondered, what about Archer's ability to return punts? Why didn't he do it much at Kent State? Punt returns are a lot different than kickoff returns. They take a bit of a different skill set: steady nerves, field vision, and a slightly different way of fielding the ball. Antonio Brown is excellent at all of that and seems very comfortable fielding punts. He looks like a natural, and we've always felt confident he would at least catch the ball cleanly and that he has the ability to break a long return on every punt.

We were worried about Archer possibly not being able to do that until we heard a radio interview David Todd (970-AM) conducted Tuesday with Bob Rock, offensive coordinator, Kent State. Rock said Archer sustained a high ankle sprain early in the 2013 season -- otherwise he would have been Kent State's punt returner in 2013. Rock emphasized that Archer is "a natural" at it and said we should have no worries about his ability to field and return punts as well as kickoffs.

Dave Bryan over at Steelers Depot wrote up a nice report on the interview, and you read his post here, along with a link to the interview itself.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...teelers-rbwr-dri-archer-natural-punt-catcher/

The Steelers drafted Dri Archer, a running back out of Kent State in the 3rd Round. David talked to a person who knows Archer well, Kent State offensive coordinator, Brian Rock

Highly recommended listen for all Dri Archer doubters!! >>>> http://www.970espn.com/media/podcast-david-todd-David_Todd/david-with-brian-rock-51414-24771269/
 
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So, Kent State is too smart to have a freshman return punts but the Steelers will just hand the job to a guy with 6 collegiate punt returns. I got it. You can babble about the short arms, little hands, needs a booster seat at most restaurants, and all that ****, it does not change the ******* FACT that Kent State had 78 punt opportunities while Archer was on roster and found someone better on 72 of those chances. On his whopping 6 runs, he gathered 8 ******* yards TOTAL. And YOU think he will displace Antonio Brown, one of the better punt returners in the league. Got it. Babble on.....

Obviously, you aren't going to believe me. Here's some quotes from others.

Dave Brya highlighted recently, his head coach at Kent State recently devulged that the team had planned to use him as the team's punt returner this past season, before he suffered an anke injury that lingered throughout the course of the season.

Ed Bouchette, Archer working at both kick returns and punt returns, and said he is comfortable with both.

Mark Kaboly tweeted, shouldn't be worried about Archers ability to field punts because the kid catches everything.

Jim Wexell, he shows good hands shagging punts.

Yep, no chance...
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2014/05/dri-archer-allaying-fears-punt-return-ability/


There is an old saying, why is a coach using two QBs, because he does not have one. Why did Kent State use various punt returners? Because they did not have one. The Steelers had Antonio Brown, one of the better guys in the league last season. How many people returned punts for the Steelers? One. Why? Because they have a punt returner. Kent State did not. Flop around and wiggle all you want, like a big fish on the deck of a boat, but your caught. Flipping and flopping won't do you any good.
Yep, they had 8 different people return kicks last year, 6 in 2012, 7 before that, and 8 his Freshman year. So he obviously can't do that either...


I would think that it means they had someone better. If I am a team like Kent State, someone that gets their *** kicked regularly, and I have an ultimate return weapon, I damn sure do not shelve it for funsies.
Obviously, they couldn't decide on a return guy in any aspect. I mean you average 40 yards a kick return lets try other guys maybe some can average 50!


You said: "But Edwards continued to start". Is it snaps now? Are you sure? Is that the measure you want to use? I mean, you stated starts. You also stated if Archer had like 75 opportunities and did not get snaps, now you are excusing the snaps. Maybe you need a minute to lock down your argument. Take your time.

You can spin it anyway you want it but anyone who remembers 1999-2001 knows Edwards was on the field all the ******* time! Even though he sucked and the only reason I can think was because he was the 13th overall pick!


So, it is starts again? You sure you do not want to discuss snaps? Because if it were snaps played, I think Beachum wins that one. And, good thing you limit it to who starts the beginning of the year, because Beachum started 12 games and Adams only started 10. Beachum did not get the nod at a tackle spot because of his length. The thing is, Adams stunk it up and lost the starting job to Beachum. Still the 7th rounder has displaced the 2nd rounder, higher salary and all. So, continue to change your argument, snaps, starts, when they started, what color underwear they had on, whatever you need to try to salvage that point.
There was NO reason that Adams should have started in the begining! They gave him the nod over Beachum clearly not because of his play but because of his draft status. Are you really that blind? You think Adams just did great in camp and blew Beachum out of the water then the season starts and he suddenly stinks? Yeah, right I am sure that's what happened.


So, it is about making the 53-man roster? Is that what it is about? If that is the case, I think Archer makes the roster. I thought your statements were he would play and impact. ****, hard to keep track of the point you are making, kind of like trying to piss in a swinging jug.....it just keeps moving as you blow out more hot air.
What I am saying, and you are clearly not retaining is if you take a 1st round CB/WR/DE whatever vs their 7th round pick counterpart if the 7th out performs the first he still will be cut before the 1st. That simple.



You stated Archer was the best available. Changing again? I notice a theme.
OMFG!!!! Dude I put the link of my comments RIGHT BEFORE WE PICKED. Not changing showing exactly what I said.


Nope. He did not have the opportunities. Kent State, as a team, had opportunities, but they decided to go by committee. Why? Because they did not have a guy good enough to just take the job. Period. End of discussion. Yet, one of their committee is going to come in and displace a Pro Bowl caliber punt returner as a rookie. Got it. Puff, puff, pass.
Couldn't do with the fact the coach wanted a comittee in returning on kick and punts... nope. Or of injury or at least potential injury... nope.



You need a little more straw to fill that man out.




That is pretty rich. What facts are you presenting again? Oh, wait, he ran around in shorts and caught punts. Yep, pro bowl here we come. I bet NO other guy has ever ran around in shorts and caught punts. Oh, wait, he ran well in shorts at the combine too.

The problem is, on the football field, in game situations, he was not trusted or valued enough to return punts. He fumbled. He spent the better part of his final year and a half battling injuries. And, he is tiny enough to get pushed around on most playgrounds. Other than that....HELL YEAH.....

Oh, no I know what you have said repeatedly. You know about JJ Watt, Troy Polamalu, Lawrence Timmons, Lee Suggs and now Dri Archer. Yep, you are never wrong.
 
TMC, I'd like to direct your attention to this clip - starts at 5:20 - where they discuss what they saw of Dri Archer this past weekend, in particular, regarding catching punts. (That part starts at around the 7:00 mark). And let's admit that's the only question here - Archer's ability to catch punts - as it's clear as day what he's capable of once the ball is in his hands.

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-a...-Roundup/1c9b660c-7eff-4bb2-99a6-bbb930302bff

What about catching with a defense running at him? What about his massive fumble problem? His injury history? There's more to it than catching the punt.
 
I don't understand, if Archer was such a "natural" why didn't he return punts when he was healthy his first 2 1/2 to 3 years. You could say that they were worried about getting him injured. But if that is the case then how in the hell is going to do it in the NFL? I guess the Steelers don't care if he gets hurt?

Also one of his main weaknesses in all the draft write ups is that he goes down easy. He isn't going to break any tackles. How many times in the NFL have you seen a guy return a punt untouched? Yes, it happens sometimes. But most long runs come from making the first guy miss and breaking an arm tackle along the way. Brown does this very well. I just don't see him having an impact in the NFL.
 
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