because Texans have done so well without a franchise QB. I don't want to change positions........ nope
Free agency there is plenty of talent on both sides of the ball. Bring in a few difference makers.
Time to try the trade
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because Texans have done so well without a franchise QB. I don't want to change positions........ nope
Free agency there is plenty of talent on both sides of the ball. Bring in a few difference makers.
we could get watt for bell and brown...
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We might have to throw in Ben too, but he's useless to us anyway...
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Ben said he was sorry, so **** off trade baiters.
No way I trade BR.
But, by comparison, the Steelers finished 11-6 with a franchise QB. The Texans were 9-7 with a three different starters at the position.
Not a big difference in winning percentage.
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If we had a player like Watt i think that would solve some of our problems on the defensive side...
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First and foremost, Ben Roethlisberger isn't the problem here. The problem here has been POOR talant evaluation, coaching, salary cap management, players.
...........Whomever is in charge of the talant evaluation, needs to be evaluated and more than likely fired / replaced. I feel this is a cumalative comittee of scouts, coaches , GM, and owners. A realistic finger needs to be pointed at WHO is the responsible one, hold them accountable. If it is several, then hold or narrow job responsibility to just to less, but accountable. I'd like to see new blood in this department. Not just new to replace a scape goat, but new to replace current responsible person.
............Is Kahn in charge of salary cap? He needs to be VERY closely evaluated as to why are we in constant trouble there? Why can't we sign anybody? If he is the man, he isn't doing such a great job. You can't let coaches / owners / players just name their price. He needs to buckle down more, become more creative as to agree or disagree with what is put infront of him. One can disagree with ownership, but still must make ownership aware of the consequinces of decision. Again, find responsible party, evaluate, hold accountable.
.............Coaching, ahhhh here is the heartbeat of the problem. First and foremost, you can't just fire to be fireing. Todd Haley, is pretty safe as to keeping his job. Dick L. needs to be evaluated, held accountable. I think his system has out lived its purpose. New system, thats easy enough for rookies to get some playing time. The system may not be as complicated as some think. I think system and COACHING is what keeps the youngsters off the field. In any event, Dick needs retirement (manditorily) gracefully but gone. A play for Ryan or someone that is DEFENSE only minded. Do NOT move an assistant up in the ranks for DC. New blood is needed.
.............Head Coach, is definately needed to be evaluated and NOT on his skin color. His performance has been shaky at best. To many tendancies, to say he is a good coach. Hell, I'd take a good coach over Tomlin, right now. The search for a GREAT coach is what needs to happen. I realize, its an educated crap shoot. But someone out there has to have a PEDIGREE tat is much better than what our current coach has. Fire and replace. Early exit from POs now gives us a better chance for replacement.
............Players, there are some who need to go once their replacement is found. Who and when are better determined by those within the organization. The cap hell guys, on their down swing (age), would be first in line. Cut M.Adams / Archer / C.Thomas / M.Mitchel, I'm not a expert on personal, but there are some outright CUTS needed. Blunt was a good example of team 1st or gone. Only problem is the action was about 3-4weeks late. When things first croped up, one talking to, then cut. These players get away with way to much stuff and thats a part of dicipline.
............ I personally don't see much of this happening, but it needs to. Until a major shake up occurs, this team will be mediocre or less. Did anyone really think the steelers were going anywhere in this years playoffs? ****, they barely got in on a EASY schedule. Took last game of year to decide. As easy as this schedule was, fluck, it should have bneen decided in week 12-14. TALANT & Coach level, bottom of the barrel.
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...........Whomever is in charge of the talant evaluation, needs to be evaluated and more than likely fired / replaced. I feel this is a cumalative comittee of scouts, coaches , GM, and owners. A realistic finger needs to be pointed at WHO is the responsible one, hold them accountable. If it is several, then hold or narrow job responsibility to just to less, but accountable. I'd like to see new blood in this department. Not just new to replace a scape goat, but new to replace current responsible person.
............Is Kahn in charge of salary cap? He needs to be VERY closely evaluated as to why are we in constant trouble there? Why can't we sign anybody? If he is the man, he isn't doing such a great job. You can't let coaches / owners / players just name their price. He needs to buckle down more, become more creative as to agree or disagree with what is put infront of him. One can disagree with ownership, but still must make ownership aware of the consequinces of decision. Again, find responsible party, evaluate, hold accountable.
.............Coaching, ahhhh here is the heartbeat of the problem. First and foremost, you can't just fire to be fireing. Todd Haley, is pretty safe as to keeping his job. Dick L. needs to be evaluated, held accountable. I think his system has out lived its purpose. New system, thats easy enough for rookies to get some playing time. The system may not be as complicated as some think. I think system and COACHING is what keeps the youngsters off the field. In any event, Dick needs retirement (manditorily) gracefully but gone. A play for Ryan or someone that is DEFENSE only minded. Do NOT move an assistant up in the ranks for DC. New blood is needed.
.............Head Coach, is definately needed to be evaluated and NOT on his skin color. His performance has been shaky at best. To many tendancies, to say he is a good coach. Hell, I'd take a good coach over Tomlin, right now. The search for a GREAT coach is what needs to happen. I realize, its an educated crap shoot. But someone out there has to have a PEDIGREE tat is much better than what our current coach has. Fire and replace. Early exit from POs now gives us a better chance for replacement.
............Players, there are some who need to go once their replacement is found. Who and when are better determined by those within the organization. The cap hell guys, on their down swing (age), would be first in line. Cut M.Adams / Archer / C.Thomas / M.Mitchel, I'm not a expert on personal, but there are some outright CUTS needed. Blunt was a good example of team 1st or gone. Only problem is the action was about 3-4weeks late. When things first croped up, one talking to, then cut. These players get away with way to much stuff and thats a part of dicipline.
............ I personally don't see much of this happening, but it needs to. Until a major shake up occurs, this team will be mediocre or less. Did anyone really think the steelers were going anywhere in this years playoffs? ****, they barely got in on a EASY schedule. Took last game of year to decide. As easy as this schedule was, fluck, it should have bneen decided in week 12-14. TALANT & Coach level, bottom of the barrel.
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The Rooney's will not fire the mediocre Tomlin after an 11-5 season, Rooney Rule being just one of the reasons why.
what about trophies? two SB victories three appearances?
maybe a big difference there (wink wink)
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**** you and your Rooney Rule.
According to my morning Yardbarker, we will be battling that cap excess again next year, as we project at $2-3M over an estimated $140M ceiling...........
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Woodley's contract is killing us. That's a ton of dead money sitting there. Not to mention, Jason Worlids, Cortez Allen and Mike Mitchell's ridiculous contracts.
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Part of our PROBLEM, we focus on extending / spreading / etc. $$ over time. I think we need to change philosophy and pay to play. Money and play coinside. I'm not the cap expert, but currently tis system they are using, is a lot like government spending. Pay today and worry tomorro how to ACTUALLY pay. It keeps us in "CAP HELL" !!!!!! That trend needs to be turned around to some degree, if not fully.
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Lindley's a journeyman now? His only journey is soon to be flipping burgers. Though I'm sure one of them will be intercepted on the way back down to the grill.
That is a fairly recent change in philosophy, in the past the Steelers were famous for being under the average payroll dollars across the league and they steadfastly refused to play the 'extend contract' game. Only in the last ten years or so ( AR 2..? ) have they joined some of the more competitive teams by moving money forward with extensions. I think they figured that, if you can't beat them, join them. That works for awhile but just like most obligations that are put off 'till later, the bill eventually comes due...can you say Nat'l debt ?
This team needs changes from the top down. Yes, the players have something to do with it but the team drafted or signed those players and developed those players. Something has to change this offseason even though we made the playoffs. If Tomlin stays, the Rooney's must sit down with him and demand changes and demand more. If not, he is gone after this coming season. I still think LeBeau should retire. Whatever O and D system we have, rookies should be able to play in it. It shouldn't take 2 to 3 years to learn a system when you see teams all over the league with rookies and 2nd year starters excelling at their craft but not with the Steelers. Something has to change there. Our cap management has to change. Our drafting and free agency strategy has to change. If none of this happens this offseason, things will only get worse over the next several years.
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Sorry, but this thread is ridiculous. We currently have IMHO the best quarterback in Steeler's history - and yes, I am old enough to have watched Bradshaw back in the day. I for one would not relish getting back to the Maddox, Stewart, Graham, Tomczak, Miller, O' Donnell, Brister, Blackledge, Bono, Malone, Woodley, Campbell, and Stoudt days...
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We get all that and then have no QB because we traded one of the top QBs in the NFL to get them. Then we have a sucky team because this is a game driven by QB play. News flash, those players can all be had without trading a great QB, great QBs only come around once in a while.
You sir are dumb as a sack of hair for posting this. I say sack of hair rather than box of rocks because you can get some use out of a box of rocks, At least with a box of rocks you can prop a door open, A sack of hair is useless, it just lays around and smells funny.
Ben would not garner much in a trade. I think many on hear are very mistaken in what we could get for him.
Instead of talking nonsense like trading Ben, we should be talking about drafting his eventual replacement. We need to draft that QB, if not this draft, then next years draft for sure.
Instead of talking nonsense like trading Ben, we should be talking about drafting his eventual replacement. We need to draft that QB, if not this draft, then next years draft for sure.
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Breh-
How did this offense look on Saturday when Bell was in street clothes?! Hell, Saturday just confirmed to me that Bell was in fact our MVP.
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Haha- 11-5 & wins the division when most of you ******** were predicting 8-8, never has a losing season...
How "mediocre" of him. Damn Rooney Rule.
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Funny thread.
First- I have no problem considering a trade. As someone said- that is the proper business decision. You cannot win in today's game if you tie up $$$ in limited spots (as we have done in the past) unless you have Rodgers or maybe Peyton. Problem is, we wouldn't get anything in return. A QB that is 1.) 30+ 2.) who takes big hits 3.) last year of his contract is not going to draw that much demand. Not worth even entertaining a trade at this point. We just gotta pray that he doesn't rape us in the contract negotiations and that he manages to stay healthy.
Second- the hyperbole is out in full force. How many of you posters were predicting 8-8, 6-10 throughout the year?! The players and the coaches IMO outperformed. Losing to the Ravens sucks, but many area's of the team are certainly going in the right direction. With a couple of fixes on the D, this team becomes a title contender in 2016.
No player development? Our ILB's and WR's have done just fine. Sucky drafts? We've drafted three 1st team All-Pro's.
Everyone needs to R-E-L-A-X or get laid.
First- I have no problem considering a trade. As someone said- that is the proper business decision. You cannot win in today's game if you tie up $$$ in limited spots (as we have done in the past) unless you have Rodgers or maybe Peyton. Problem is, we wouldn't get anything in return. A QB that is 1.) 30+ 2.) who takes big hits 3.) last year of his contract is not going to draw that much demand. Not worth even entertaining a trade at this point. We just gotta pray that he doesn't rape us in the contract negotiations and that he manages to stay healthy.
Second- the hyperbole is out in full force. How many of you posters were predicting 8-8, 6-10 throughout the year?! The players and the coaches IMO outperformed. Losing to the Ravens sucks, but many area's of the team are certainly going in the right direction. With a couple of fixes on the D, this team becomes a title contender in 2016.
No player development? Our ILB's and WR's have done just fine. Sucky drafts? We've drafted three 1st team All-Pro's.
Everyone needs to R-E-L-A-X or get laid.
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This **** is old, 8-8 is not a winning season either, this is exactly what mediocre means. I'm not a fire Tomlin person I could give two ***** either way, but you seem pretty quick to point out Bens faults, and he has the same record as Tomlin since he has been here, Ben has one losing season but he also has two more winning seasons and one more ring than Tomlin does. just saying.
I'm only calling you "crazy"...
Why trade Ben after his best season, stats-wise, ever???
Loses bring forth many thoughts - and "trading Ben" is just crazy (because Landry Jones AIN'T the answer)...
