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Bart Starr was 9-1 in the playoffs, you do realize that he only had to win one game to be champion back then? Again Ben is not a great playoff QB
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Ben essentially threw away the season with a needless INT, trying to force the ball to Brown in triple coverage, after Gradkowski had just bailed him out of a 3rd-and-21. He might have easily gotten a fifth potential touchdown right after that.
You overlooked that one.
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Even Ben being only the 2nd best QB in Steelers history, that is no small feat.
Comparing Ben and Terry is stupid at best. They played two totally different games, in completely different era's. You can only compare Ben to Peyton, Marsha, Arron, etc.
Comparing Ben and Terry is stupid at best. They played two totally different games, in completely different era's. You can only compare Ben to Peyton, Marsha, Arron, etc.
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What happens after the next couple "Cap Relief" years, when you do not make any improvements in the personnel of the team? What happens when you have to absorb the dead money hit for Ben going forward?
I am not saying the team will suddenly change their stripes, but the Cap hit Ben will demand takes that CHANCE away.
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I'm not going to keep arguing this with you, it's just stupid. Without the consistent production we've gotten from him over the years we wouldn't have been in playoff games, we wouldn't have been in Super Bowls, he came in as a rookie and won 15 games for God's sake. It's just ludicrous to try and argue that he's not one of the best.
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Not always. Did you see him in the 1976 championship game with Oakland when Franco was out hurt? Just like Ben being without Bell, throws your whole offense off.
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Keep Ben, gonna need someone to throw to Larry Fitz next season.
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Yeah we couldnt have been just as mediocre scoring 22 points a game with a journeyman QB that Ben has averaged in his career. He has never carried a team and had the luxury of having some of the greatrst defenses of his era to protect his inability to run a high scoring offense. Even this year with all the yards and Bell he was not top 5 in scoring and that is with the 5 defensive and return TDs to artificially inflate the points scored which he had no hand in.
so your complaining about poor personel moves and them not making any personel moves, well what makes you think they would do anything with the draft picks they would receive? Denver signed Welker, Ware, Sanders, Talib, safety from cleveland, I can't think of his name all with manning having a big contract. NE gave Revis 12 million with Brady having a big cap hit. I'm no cap expert, but I think we will be clear from Woodley's contract, Worilds was paid 9 million, Troy is due 6 million, hell that's near 20 million in cap space right there, Ben signs and reduces his cap hit.
what happens after those few seasons, who cares, you have a franchise qb, go for all in while you can.
What happens the next few years without a franchise QB? Again, you're not just getting rid of Ben, you're killing Bell and Brown too.
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You mean when both of our 1,000 yard rushers missed the game in a run heavy NFL in which we ran 70% of the time , yeah lets blame that one on Bradshaw, not like he lost to Tim ******* Tebow or had a 22 QB rating in a Super Bowl like Ben, the worst ever in a Super Bowl.
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Sure, if you can plug all the holes with competent players AND keep Ben under contract while doing it, great. I just do not think it can be done.
Also, IF you do deal Ben, then you need to clean house from the top down. Give the new guys the chance to rebuild.
Also, IF you do deal Ben, then you need to clean house from the top down. Give the new guys the chance to rebuild.
Did Ben say he wanted to break the bank, be the highest paid player, put the Steelers in salary cap hell. I think he going to take less, just as long as it goes toward getting the better.
The Bengals gave andy 100 million contract and have good players all over the place too.
I agree, if there is no ben then you have to clean house, but we have a top 5 Qb, the best all around young RB in the nfl and the best all around wr, you really want to give that up too?
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The problem with this team isn't the offense when healthy. They need to address the front and the back of the damn defense. They should be losing a lot of players on that side of the ball who are eating up a ton of cap space. Add one impact FA on that side of the ball and draft the rest. No way I consider dealing Ben, there's nobody paying what the dumb *** Vikings paid for Herschel.
Well it is interesting reading the posts. On one hand you seem to have the Ben can do no wrong crowd,while on the other it is almost all on ben. While I must admit that I am somewhat in the middle. The problem is with a do called franchise qb,we have not won a playoff game in what 5 years? Now of course that is not all on Ben,but if you think he has not played a part in some of our failures ,I guess we must agree to disagree.
Now I realise he has set all kinds of records this year,but man was he inconsistent in some of those ugly games. Remember the first 4 games of last year? Looking at this years schedule compared to next years,it shall be very interesting to see what will be accomplished. Yes the coaching drives me nuts,it really all boils down to the field goals vs touchdowns. And then I must say I contradict myself,because we scored all sorts of points this year. To me this game was decided in the trenches of both sides of the ball,that the Ravens clearly won. We never seemed to make a clutch 3rd down stop when we really needed it. That 3rd and 13 they hot killed us.
Now I realise he has set all kinds of records this year,but man was he inconsistent in some of those ugly games. Remember the first 4 games of last year? Looking at this years schedule compared to next years,it shall be very interesting to see what will be accomplished. Yes the coaching drives me nuts,it really all boils down to the field goals vs touchdowns. And then I must say I contradict myself,because we scored all sorts of points this year. To me this game was decided in the trenches of both sides of the ball,that the Ravens clearly won. We never seemed to make a clutch 3rd down stop when we really needed it. That 3rd and 13 they hot killed us.
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Ben has an awful 21 TD passes and 19 INTs in his playoff career while Flacco has 21 TD passes and only 8 INTs, yeah he is elite and we can't survive without him. He hasn't won a playoff game in 5 years and if history is any indication he is done winning Super Bowls as no QB over 30 has won one in 15 years, Brad Johnson, and Ben's game is not cerebral and the physical fall off will be quick and sudden but the moron duo of Tomlin and Colbert will give him a huge 20 million plus yearly contract that will hamstring us after he is not playing at even an acceptable level.
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Lets bring in a journey man QB and draft another. Trade Ben. Would that make Tolbert any smarter in your eyes. Oh and while we are at it let trade our blunt smoking RB. Sounding good?
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I'm still cracking up at the trade Ben bs. Yeah bring in some scrub qb. That will take us really far like all the rest of the bums the Steelers have had since Bradshaw. I see so many of them leading their teams to super bowls. Hell i think Kent Graham&Mark Malone both got us what like 8 extra super bowl wins. Yeah we have been drafting so well over the last 6 years a top notch blue chip qb is a sure thing. Maybe we can get that guy the Arizona Cardinals had starting in the playoffs this year..he's a ******* phenom!
Just for **** and giggles, we trade him to AZ(highly unlikely anyway when they just gave Palmer a hefty contract), they will be drafting next to us, if they give us what, their #1, a #2, another unlikely scenario. You have to find the right trading partner that is willing to open their pocketbooks for a $15M+ QB. I'm not saying there are not teams that wouldn't do it, but it's not as easy as some are making it.
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Who said he can do no wrong or hasn't played any part in the failures? Nobody. The question is, who do you want in his place? Is he perfect? Of course not. Some people seem to think that great QBs are a dime a dozen. We trade him and just get a new young QB to take his place, it's just that easy. Ridiculous. He's the NFL passing leader. We wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs this year without him.
Sure, we'll just draft a young QB and he can easily replace Ben. You want to get rid of him in hopes of grabbing an RGIII. a Mark Sanchez, a Jamarcus Russell maybe? Maybe we can get hold of somebody with the talents of a Brady Quinn or a Blaine Gabbert. We should just get rid of the NFL passing leader because obviously whoever we draft to take his place is gong to become Tom Brady. Right.
The question is, is Ben and the team going to be better after giving him a 20+ mill contract or will it hurt the team. That's how you should make business decisions not who's going to replace him. We seem to stick with players too long now because we don't have anyone better to replace him.
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NFL Draft 2015
These teams could possibly be looking to draft a QB
#1 Tampa Bay
#2 Tennessee
#6 NY Jets
#16 Houston
These teams could possibly be looking to upgrade or make a change at QB
#5 Washington
#7 Chicago
#10 St Louis
These teams could possibly be looking to draft a QB
#1 Tampa Bay
#2 Tennessee
#6 NY Jets
#16 Houston
These teams could possibly be looking to upgrade or make a change at QB
#5 Washington
#7 Chicago
#10 St Louis
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MT Forged, Trade Big Ben. That's a "negative ghostrider"
Big Ben is Steelers Football. We all ride or die with Ben. We can't blame Tombert or whomever made the decision to bring him back in the game after a concussion. Or before that, bad play-calling. We should've spread their *** out and threw the ball with a quick tempo, but we waited until the fourth quarter to do such.
To answer your question: We need to draft 1 true pass rusher, 1 Cornerback, and a LG/LT.
Big Ben is Steelers Football. We all ride or die with Ben. We can't blame Tombert or whomever made the decision to bring him back in the game after a concussion. Or before that, bad play-calling. We should've spread their *** out and threw the ball with a quick tempo, but we waited until the fourth quarter to do such.
To answer your question: We need to draft 1 true pass rusher, 1 Cornerback, and a LG/LT.
