Tomlin rips O line

[Wolf44]

First off, the Steelers are not MY team, When the Steelers win, WE dont win, THEY win.

Secondly, your statement concerning a good Coach doing much better with the Steelers is completely baseless and pure speculation. As I said, I'm not a fan of Captain Cool shades and I'm as frustrated as the next fan on how they've finished the seasons BUT, don't act like MT isn't a good Coach. I can point you to several metrics that back up my statement.

He's not a good coach. He is a coach with an incredible organization and great talent and. HOF QB who already had won a Super Bowl prior to Tomlin stealing the job. Ben was 5-1 in the playoffs under Cowher and started 5_1in the playoffs with Tomlin and Cowher's players. Funny how he is 3-8 since Cowher's core players all left. If you think a good to great coach would have only won 3 playoff games in 11 years, 2 against backup QBs you are a fool. Tomlin is a bullshitting phoney that looks like a wide eyed idiot in the games when things go wrong.

15 years in he sucks at in game adjustments. Clock management, red flag challenges.OLine construction DB drafting and sets an NFL RECORD giving up at least 40 points in 3 straight playoff games and counting.

But hey YOU. have the worthless .500 streak. Genius

 

[Steeltime]

I have no issues with avoiding early round OL draft picks

I do. A study from some years back showed that the position with fewer 1st round busts than any other was OT. Also, it is reasonable to conclude that as a player drops in the draft pool, he is less and less likely to be a starter, let alone a significant contributor. Drafting OL in the 3rd to 7th round and expecting them to be the same quality as 1st and 2nd round picks is a bad strategy - and one the Steelers have followed for the past 5 years.

The current OL shows that the strategy does not work.

 

[Badcat]

He's not a good coach. He is a coach with an incredible organization and great talent and. HOF QB who already had won a Super Bowl prior to Tomlin stealing the job. Ben was 5-1 in the playoffs under Cowher and started 5_1in the playoffs with Tomlin and Cowher's players. Funny how he is 3-8 since Cowher's core players all left. If you think a good to great coach would have only won 3 playoff games in 11 years, 2 against backup QBs you are a fool. Tomlin is a bullshitting phoney that looks like a wide eyed idiot in the games when things go wrong.

15 years in he sucks at in game adjustments. Clock management, red flag challenges.OLine construction DB drafting and sets an NFL RECORD giving up at least 40 points in 3 straight playoff games and counting.

But hey YOU. have the worthless .500 streak. Genius

• Mike Tomlin passed Marty Schottenheimer for most consecutive winning seasons (15) this past season. Marty will be enshrined in Canton in the coming years.
• MT had a better regular season record than Bill Cowher in their first 14 seasons. Huh, better than a Hall of Fame Coach. (whispers) and they both have just one SB. Shhhh
• MT is third among active coaches in wins behind Belichick and Reid, Bill having 12 years more in the league and Andy 8. Both will be HoF Coaches
• Captain cool shades is tied with Joe Gibbs at 18th for most wins in NFL history and just 8 HoF coaches have a better win percentage than MT
• That means that MT has a better win percentage than HoF coaches Tom Landry, Curley Lambeau, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, Paul Brown, Bud Grant, Joe Gibbs, Steve Owen, Bill Cowher, Marv Levy, Hank Stram, Weeb Ewbank, Sid Gillman, Dick Vermeil, George Allen, etc.

Imagine that...Having a better win percentage AND more wins than Hall of Fame coaches and you "think" he is NOT a good coach? That is laughable!!

Last tid bit...If Mike Tomlin continues to average 10.26 wins per season, and coaches for 32 years like Don Shula, He'll surpass Shula and have the most wins in NFL history. That's right, the winningest coach in NFL history.

Face it man, He's a winner and at this pace, he'll don a gold jacket as one of the best to EVER do it...and you'll sit there rolling your eyes at his acceptance speech.

Steeler fans don't want a winner, Steeler fans want championships. Man, us fans are a spoiled bunch!

 

[Steeltime]

Well-said, Badcat, but ...

Steeler fans don't want a winner, Steeler fans want championships. Man, us fans are a spoiled bunch!

That is true. I don't think a 10-6 season with a 1st round playoff loss is a success. Sorry, don't accept that.

What are we, Browns fans??

 

[Wolf44]

• Mike Tomlin passed Marty Schottenheimer for most consecutive winning seasons (15) this past season. Marty will be enshrined in Canton in the coming years.
• MT had a better regular season record than Bill Cowher in their first 14 seasons. Huh, better than a Hall of Fame Coach. (whispers) and they both have just one SB. Shhhh
• MT is third among active coaches in wins behind Belichick and Reid, Bill having 12 years more in the league and Andy 8. Both will be HoF Coaches
• Captain cool shades is tied with Joe Gibbs at 18th for most wins in NFL history and just 8 HoF coaches have a better win percentage than MT
• That means that MT has a better win percentage than HoF coaches Tom Landry, Curley Lambeau, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, Paul Brown, Bud Grant, Joe Gibbs, Steve Owen, Bill Cowher, Marv Levy, Hank Stram, Weeb Ewbank, Sid Gillman, Dick Vermeil, George Allen, etc.

Imagine that...Having a better win percentage AND more wins than Hall of Fame coaches and you "think" he is NOT a good coach? That is laughable!!

Last tid bit...If Mike Tomlin continues to average 10.26 wins per season, and coaches for 32 years like Don Shula, He'll surpass Shula and have the most wins in NFL history. That's right, the winningest coach in NFL history.

Face it man, He's a winner and at this pace, he'll don a gold jacket as one of the best to EVER do it...and you'll sit there rolling your eyes at his acceptance speech.

Steeler fans don't want a winner, Steeler fans want championships. Man, us fans are a spoiled bunch!

Blah blah blah. Again he had a HOF QB his entire tenure. NO head coach in NFL history is in the HOF with a losing playoff record. Tomlin has a losing playoff record.

Apples to oranges Cowher was 5-1 in the playoffs with Ben. Tomlin a crappy 8-9. Cowher went to 3 AFC championship games with Kotrdell, think the bullshitting Tomlin could, ROTFLMFAO.

Tomlin is such a POS I win a ton of money betting against us in the playoffs. It is stealing money and fun to watch him get his *** raped year after year. We will never win anything again with the token bullshitter, but hey he is Mr.500.

Tomlin "I don't win playoff games. I win the battle for .500."

 

[Wolf44]

• Mike Tomlin passed Marty Schottenheimer for most consecutive winning seasons (15) this past season. Marty will be enshrined in Canton in the coming years.
• MT had a better regular season record than Bill Cowher in their first 14 seasons. Huh, better than a Hall of Fame Coach. (whispers) and they both have just one SB. Shhhh
• MT is third among active coaches in wins behind Belichick and Reid, Bill having 12 years more in the league and Andy 8. Both will be HoF Coaches
• Captain cool shades is tied with Joe Gibbs at 18th for most wins in NFL history and just 8 HoF coaches have a better win percentage than MT
• That means that MT has a better win percentage than HoF coaches Tom Landry, Curley Lambeau, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, Paul Brown, Bud Grant, Joe Gibbs, Steve Owen, Bill Cowher, Marv Levy, Hank Stram, Weeb Ewbank, Sid Gillman, Dick Vermeil, George Allen, etc.

Imagine that...Having a better win percentage AND more wins than Hall of Fame coaches and you "think" he is NOT a good coach? That is laughable!!

Last tid bit...If Mike Tomlin continues to average 10.26 wins per season, and coaches for 32 years like Don Shula, He'll surpass Shula and have the most wins in NFL history. That's right, the winningest coach in NFL history.

Face it man, He's a winner and at this pace, he'll don a gold jacket as one of the best to EVER do it...and you'll sit there rolling your eyes at his acceptance speech.

Steeler fans don't want a winner, Steeler fans want championships. Man, us fans are a spoiled bunch!

If he coaches for another 17 years and wins 10.26 wins a year, LMFAO if Tomlin wins another playoff game it will bea shock. Wonder how many more 40 point debacles the de facto DC will allow, a true barometer of his ****** coaching. Mr. mediocre

 

[Badcat]

If he coaches for another 17 years and wins 10.26 wins a year, LMFAO if Tomlin wins another playoff game it will bea shock. Wonder how many more 40 point debacles the de facto DC will allow, a true barometer of his ****** coaching. Mr. mediocre

Just presenting the facts my man. I agree in that we'll probably never win another one with MT at the helm and playoff struggles are a thorn in all of our sides. The Standard is the standard, being winners but not champions.

 

[Wolf44]

The stats are against him.losing playoff record No head coach is in the HOF with a losing playoff record and he is now 3-8 since Cowher's core players left and no help in sight. We are so far behind the elite teams in the AFC and trending downward. All hail Mr. 500. I think we win 6 games this year and the only record Tomlin holds is gone.

 

[jiminoh]

Russia has some very fast fighter planes. Fortunately, they don't handle as well as ours and their weaponry is outdated. Fix the OL/DL. Shiny WR's are no good to a QB that has to run to stay alive. And I'm sick of being gutted up the middle by the run from inferior teams. Tomlin has been there long enough to know this.

 

[Wolf44]

Russia has some very fast fighter planes. Fortunately, they don't handle as well as ours and their weaponry is outdated. Fix the OL/DL. Shiny WR's are no good to a QB that has to run to stay alive. And I'm sick of being gutted up the middle by the run from inferior teams. Tomlin has been there long enough to know this.

He knows nothing about fixing a football team..he is all bluster and pedigree talk but has no clue that the game is won in the trenches. We have as much talent as anyone at the skill positions but are severely lacking on the OLine and at the head coach position.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

• Mike Tomlin passed Marty Schottenheimer for most consecutive winning seasons (15) this past season. Marty will be enshrined in Canton in the coming years.
• MT had a better regular season record than Bill Cowher in their first 14 seasons. Huh, better than a Hall of Fame Coach. (whispers) and they both have just one SB. Shhhh
• MT is third among active coaches in wins behind Belichick and Reid, Bill having 12 years more in the league and Andy 8. Both will be HoF Coaches
• Captain cool shades is tied with Joe Gibbs at 18th for most wins in NFL history and just 8 HoF coaches have a better win percentage than MT
• That means that MT has a better win percentage than HoF coaches Tom Landry, Curley Lambeau, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, Paul Brown, Bud Grant, Joe Gibbs, Steve Owen, Bill Cowher, Marv Levy, Hank Stram, Weeb Ewbank, Sid Gillman, Dick Vermeil, George Allen, etc.

Imagine that...Having a better win percentage AND more wins than Hall of Fame coaches and you "think" he is NOT a good coach? That is laughable!!

Last tid bit...If Mike Tomlin continues to average 10.26 wins per season, and coaches for 32 years like Don Shula, He'll surpass Shula and have the most wins in NFL history. That's right, the winningest coach in NFL history.

Face it man, He's a winner and at this pace, he'll don a gold jacket as one of the best to EVER do it...and you'll sit there rolling your eyes at his acceptance speech.

Steeler fans don't want a winner, Steeler fans want championships. Man, us fans are a spoiled bunch!

While he’s a solid coach by the all the numbers the summation nails it.

I’d say most fans would prefer a Lombardi every now and then with the occasional down year(s) sprinkled between over being stuck in a 10-7 first round exit holding pattern like some sick groundhog’s day of being almost good/great,

Indeed we are spoiled

 

[Coach]

Didn't see this posted, so now I get to start a thread!

It's about time Tomlin calls out the O line...specifically Green.

!https://www.steelernation.com/steelers-mike-tomlin-rips-offensive-line/

Greene interview. Does anyone else get the impression he thinks it's a joke?.

Mike Tomlin Calls Out Kendrick Green During Steelers Team Meeting

Yeah he should the rip some of the players.

BUT I don't see him calling out X's and O's. ( play calling ) Square pegs in round holes. ( playing Green at center and Chucks who was supposed to start at left tackle at Right Tackle instead, giving the job at LT to a rookie ) Yet he doesn't rip the coaches he hired or say I screwed up in general.

 

[Steelr4evr]

I'd rather they field a championship caliber team. That wins playoff games.

Getting your head caved in consistently during playoff games is embarrassing.

Not a damn thing i.can do about it, so I'll enjoy the good moments.

 

[Litos]

Yeah he should the rip some of the players.

BUT I don't see him calling out X's and O's. ( play calling ) Square pegs in round holes. ( playing Green at center and Chucks who was supposed to start at left tackle at Right Tackle instead, giving the job at LT to a rookie ) Yet he doesn't rip the coaches he hired or say I screwed up in general.

For what it seems Green can't play anywhere, not just center

 

[xjx]

Our Oline is in shambles...just like last year. And we still have a Pillsbury Doughboy defense (soft in the middle). Just like last year.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

• Mike Tomlin passed Marty Schottenheimer for most consecutive winning seasons (15) this past season. Marty will be enshrined in Canton in the coming years.
• MT had a better regular season record than Bill Cowher in their first 14 seasons. Huh, better than a Hall of Fame Coach. (whispers) and they both have just one SB. Shhhh
• MT is third among active coaches in wins behind Belichick and Reid, Bill having 12 years more in the league and Andy 8. Both will be HoF Coaches
• Captain cool shades is tied with Joe Gibbs at 18th for most wins in NFL history and just 8 HoF coaches have a better win percentage than MT
• That means that MT has a better win percentage than HoF coaches Tom Landry, Curley Lambeau, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, Paul Brown, Bud Grant, Joe Gibbs, Steve Owen, Bill Cowher, Marv Levy, Hank Stram, Weeb Ewbank, Sid Gillman, Dick Vermeil, George Allen, etc.

Imagine that...Having a better win percentage AND more wins than Hall of Fame coaches and you "think" he is NOT a good coach? That is laughable!!

Last tid bit...If Mike Tomlin continues to average 10.26 wins per season, and coaches for 32 years like Don Shula, He'll surpass Shula and have the most wins in NFL history. That's right, the winningest coach in NFL history.

Face it man, He's a winner and at this pace, he'll don a gold jacket as one of the best to EVER do it...and you'll sit there rolling your eyes at his acceptance speech.

Steeler fans don't want a winner, Steeler fans want championships. Man, us fans are a spoiled bunch!

That is all great and maybe he will sneak into Canton but if anyone is happy with how seasons end with Mr. Sound-bite then they lie... I want to see some deep playoff runs not getting embarrassed

 

[alancac98]

I have no idea whether this was said earlier or not, but what kind of Freaking Genius has Dotson playing the LG position and Daniels playing the RG position. In college Dotson played RG and Daniels played LG. You would think those would be their natural positions and where they would be best, right? Nah, Tomlin knows much better - he saw something on tape that told him that playing them in their off positions was a much better idea and that no one would ever expect it! Tomlin has the football acumen of a kindergartener (sorry kids!)

 

[slashsteel]

First off, the Steelers are not MY team, When the Steelers win, WE dont win, THEY win.

Secondly, your statement concerning a good Coach doing much better with the Steelers is completely baseless and pure speculation. As I said, I'm not a fan of Captain Cool shades and I'm as frustrated as the next fan on how they've finished the seasons BUT, don't act like MT isn't a good Coach. I can point you to several metrics that back up my statement.

No... they are my team .

 

[jitter77]

I do not feel Tomlin is a good football coach. He inherited a team with elite talent, but he just does not get the most out of players. Some of the schemes we run are just downright dumb.

My biggest issue is game planning. We simply do the same thing over and over no matter who we are playing. I think this is the main reason why we get bounced out of the playoffs.

I am not going to blame Tomlin for the draft because i don't know how much input he has, but once they are here its up to him to use them properly. Tomlin was a DB coach and how many DBs have we developed? That is supposed to be Tomlin's specialty and our best secondary players were bought (Minkah and Haden).

No one can deny Tomlin's record, but to me wins and losses are meaningless unless you can do it when it counts

 

[Drink IRON City]

Our Oline is in shambles...just like last year. And we still have a Pillsbury Doughboy defense (soft in the middle). Just like last year.

Don't live in your fears, there is a lot of season to play. Remember you are only seeing PRE_Season to date.

There are a lot of positives to look forward to

1) our OL will get better as the new "punch" system gets comfortable with each player.
2) O'Canada is trending up
3) DJ & Muuuth amongst others appear in season form
4) Our current center is better than last year's center
5) although not an upgrade I think the mobility at QB will add a new twist to the offense
7) The defense hasn't had a fair shake yet, game planing and 1st stringers could change dramatically what we have seen to date.
8) there are more examples

9) The coaching needs to step up big, OL coach / DL coach / LBs coach / OC play calling / STs coaching
10) Quit the "-isms" (tomlinisms) and get down to real coaching, real adjustments, game time


Salute the nation

 

[madinsomniac]

I criticize Tomlin at times, but he will absolutely make the hall of fame…he has flaws, but he deserves credit for some innovative tweaks too…

I hold out hope that the majority of the line will get better with more practice in the new system… this is exactly why I hate totally changing systems and schemes in one offseason.. you almost always see a quarter to half a season lost to just pure adjustments to the new techniques and philosophies

 

[jitter77]

When KC lost the SB Mahomes was getting crushed. I think KC ended up replacing 4/5 of their starting lineman in that offseason. I think that is the path we needed to take. How many of our starting Oline would be starting on another team? Green is getting abused, Cole was a cut from another team, and moore looks lost. Chuks and dotson are serviceable. At most i would say 2 guys would be starters elsewhere. You just cannot win with players like that

 

[topseed]

I criticize Tomlin at times, but he will absolutely make the hall of fame…he has flaws, but he deserves credit for some innovative tweaks too…

You'll have to remind me which innovations you're referring to. The guy is still running his outdated version of Tampa 2 that routinely gets dominated by good offenses in today's NFL.

 

[madinsomniac]

You'll have to remind me which innovations you're referring to. The guy is still running his outdated version of Tampa 2 that routinely gets dominated by good offenses in today's NFL.

He’s the guy who initially fused the tampa 2 over the 3/4 which caused enough problems for offenses that we won that 08 super bowl with it

He also had a hand in revising the 3/4 dl scheme to provide a greater pass rush..

For all the bad things people point out, those two saturated through the league enough that he deserves some credit for it

 

[topseed]

He’s the guy who initially fused the tampa 2 over the 3/4 which caused enough problems for offenses that we won that 08 super bowl with it

He also had a hand in revising the 3/4 dl scheme to provide a greater pass rush..

For all the bad things people point out, those two saturated through the league enough that he deserves some credit for it

Yeah, they won the Super Bowl in '08 with it. Barely. That was 14 years ago. How's it been performing lately?

That greater pass rush has also resulted in one of the worst run defenses in the entire league over the past few years.

Try again.