Tomlin Sucks

[Confluence]

And what did we win with them again? You can argue that was when our team culture took a turn for the worse.

Allowing the "Young Money" diva wr bs was the start of the slide to mediocrity

 

[Confluence]

The culture began to change when cowher left. It just took awhile to show.
But Tomlin had a chance. He helped put together a great offense team. Ben,bell and brown for a few years was the best in the biz.
One of his problems was his team peaked during the pats dominance.

Lol.
One of his problems was not winning in the playoffs against good teams.
The last playoff win over a good team was when? 2014?

 

[Confluence]

You can definitely look at coaching.
But again, timing for him was bad. Going up against Peyton and Brady with their coaches had to have sucked.
Tomlin has never been a great coach, but he put some teams together that could have won it all.

And never won a damn thing....no meaningful PO games with those 3 stars.
A few other guys named Flacco, Brees and the lesser Manning, all with good coaches, beat Tomlin every time....

 

[Confluence]

Every passing season...with zero change...it is hard to root for Tomlin. Early in the season it seemed Tomlin changed up on the offensive side and defensive side of the ball. I completely supported that. Backed that. As the season progressed...he reverted back to his same old same old. Our D looks putrid. Same with our O...right before the playoffs to boot. If Tomlin can't learn from his mistakes over the course of his career by now.....then it might be long over due for a change. Of course Rooney might not see it that way. It is what it is.

This

 

[BLITZ]

And never won a damn thing....no meaningful PO games with those 3 stars.
A few other guys named Flacco, Brees and the lesser Manning, all with good coaches, beat Tomlin every time....

They got to the Afc championship in 16/17. That was as close as. They got.
I certainly recall the Steelers beating Flacco a few times. But think that is kinda meaningless.

 

[Lloyd]

He was gifted a great DC that knew more about defense than he does to this day when he started his HC career and if memory serves didn’t the Rooneys force the Haley hire on him (arguably his most talented OC)

He needs high level coordinators but never brings them in of his own accord.

He brings in guys like Canada

The Steelers also need to pony up more $$$ and bring in more coaches to increase the size of staff and spend a bit on higher caliber position coaching.

Mike is in over his head as platitudes and pressers don’t win playoff games

Yes, your memory is fine: Haley was no doubt a Rooney hire, had connections to his dad I believe. Canada was a Mediocre Mike hire for sure. Although many deny it, that was a boys club "rub each others' back hire" from when Canada gave Dino, Tomlin's son, a full scholarship gig. Tomlin was fully operating on "we do business on who helps who" basis, never mind hiring the right candidate for the job, and boy it showed.

 

[Lloyd]

Every passing season...with zero change...it is hard to root for Tomlin. Early in the season it seemed Tomlin changed up on the offensive side and defensive side of the ball. I completely supported that. Backed that. As the season progressed...he reverted back to his same old same old. Our D looks putrid. Same with our O...right before the playoffs to boot. If Tomlin can't learn from his mistakes over the course of his career by now.....then it might be long over due for a change. Of course Rooney might not see it that way. It is what it is.

Tomlin clearly is not learning from his mistakes, time is way, way overdue. We need big changes.

 

[Lloyd]

Every passing season...with zero change...it is hard to root for Tomlin. Early in the season it seemed Tomlin changed up on the offensive side and defensive side of the ball. I completely supported that. Backed that. As the season progressed...he reverted back to his same old same old. Our D looks putrid. Same with our O...right before the playoffs to boot. If Tomlin can't learn from his mistakes over the course of his career by now.....then it might be long over due for a change. Of course Rooney might not see it that way. It is what it is.

He always resorts to his fear-based way of running things, always.

 

[topseed]

Here’s one for you Supe. First of all I would take Ben Johnson in a heartbeat. Along with every other team looking for a HC. He will be able to pick and ask his own price. Definitely will be the most sought after coach out there.

Dan Lanning
I’ve watched the Oregon Ducks for a few years now. Always right up there offensively and defensively in the Nation. He’s always been impressive. I’d much rather get someone like this than the old rehashed HC’s of the NFL. I’m sure many would not want him because he doesn’t have NFL experience. He’s done well wherever he’s went. I want someone fresh, innovative. He’s married with 3 sons, his wife went through cancer in 2019.

Daniel Arthur Lanning is an American football coach at the University of Oregon. He was previously the defensive coordinator and outside linebackers coach at the University of Georgia from 2019 to 2021. Lanning played college football at William Jewell College as a linebacker from 2004 to 2007. 38 years old. 35-3 record as HC of The Ducks.

Dan Lanning, in theory, is a great candidate to become an NFL head coach. But any speculation of that is pure rumor. He absolutely loves it at Oregon, and he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[topseed]

Another thing, the Steelers dominated the NFL from 1972 to 1980. They didn't have one coach who would have fallen under your 3 requirements I suppose, because none of them got hired for head jobs.

Yes, conveniently for your statement there, Tony Dungy happened to come on board under Noll in 1981. He ended up being a pretty decent branch on Noll's tree.

 

[Gildong Sack]

There are several here that think if you don't like Tomlin you must be racist. They'll never blame him for anything. Also, outsiders hate the Steelers and love him here because they know we are a paper Tiger. Just disgraceful what this clown has done to this franchse.

The thing is people always come up with the " If you fire him he'll be snatched up so quick." So what? We need new blood, different ideas. If someone else wants slightly above .500 seasons they can have it. Which I think without the Steelers organization, and without a Hall of Fame QB for almost all those non losing seasons somewhere else he will be way below the line.

Look at how great Brady made Bellichick look...take away Brady and he flopped.

 

[SojournerSteel]

The thing is people always come up with the " If you fire him he'll be snatched up so quick." So what? We need new blood, different ideas. If someone else wants slightly above .500 seasons they can have it. Which I think without the Steelers organization, and without a Hall of Fame QB for almost all those non losing seasons somewhere else he will be way below the line.

Look at how great Brady made Bellichick look...take away Brady and he flopped.

If he had been more Carlton Banks and less Will Smith and gotten the Miami job (I jest), I see little chance he'd have coached this long nor pulled the same bank. He was put into the one place where he could have maximum success relative to his pedestrian feel for the stick with schematics and game management.

 

[slashsteel]

slash has a great avatar of this nature, check it out.


Salute the nation

 

[Steelmann]

Dan Lanning, in theory, is a great candidate to become an NFL head coach. But any speculation of that is pure rumor. He absolutely loves it at Oregon, and he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Supe asks for an example of names. I don’t see one person giving one name. I give an example/opinion.

I’m quite sure Dan is happy,and has said so. You absolutely never know though do you? A storied Franchise like the Pittsburgh Steelers offer you a contract……you never know. I would speculate that a football coach’s dream would be an NFL opportunity.

Of course it is speculation……I’d say speculation is 80% of this board. You got a name to speculate about?

 

[diver]

Yes, conveniently for your statement there, Tony Dungy happened to come on board under Noll in 1981. He ended up being a pretty decent branch on Noll's tree.

He did. I forgot about Tony Dungy. Simple as that. Nothing "convenient" about it.

But to the point, Tony Dungy was his own man. If he would have went in there and tried to be Chuck Noll, it would not have worked. Which is my point. I think it is an overused argument that doesn't mean much because of that very fact.

 

[Confluence]

If he had been more Carlton Banks and less Will Smith and gotten the Miami job (I jest), I see little chance he'd have coached this long nor pulled the same bank. He was put into the one place where he could have maximum success relative to his pedestrian feel for the stick with schematics and game management.

Obviously

 

[Drink IRON City]

The “Coaching Tree” can be looked at many different ways, one of them being that if a sub-coach progresses onto a head coaching role, they must have been a very good coach at their respective job. That skill will translate to original team while he was there. That will obviously make the original team better, the times they are there.

The Branch coach definitely had skills, those skilled are developed more under the HC. The exposure under the HC allows that branch coach opportunities they would never have gotten. Should that HC damper, buy his own disadvantage and hold branch coaches back, they may never get the opportunity to show case their abilities.

A coach with many branches shows that he has been able to look past his own insecurities and cultivate whats best for the team, a true strength of a HC. The HC tree shouldn’t be judged on just his branches, but make no mistake that those Branches have a way during their times of growth, to add to the greatness of said HC.

Just my $1.86 worth.


Salute the nation

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Bill Cowher, 15 seasons 9 assistants get promoted to head coaching jobs, Mike Tomlin 18 seasons and not one assistant promoted to a head coaching job. Nobody sees the fricken problem here??

If people can not see that Tomlin is the problem there is only two explanations. first their blind nut hugging love for him or two they just don't want to see it.

Tomlin not only does not have a tree
He is Round Up
Once Tomlin has been put on you, you go off to die to never even be heard of again

He really is special…very special

 

[Fiji Mariner]

The thing is people always come up with the " If you fire him he'll be snatched up so quick." So what? We need new blood, different ideas. If someone else wants slightly above .500 seasons they can have it. Which I think without the Steelers organization, and without a Hall of Fame QB for almost all those non losing seasons somewhere else he will be way below the line.

Look at how great Brady made Bellichick look...take away Brady and he flopped.

Why would they fire him? if he is so coveted use him to start replenishing the roster with the smorgasbord of picks he’ll bring in a trade scenario since obviously almost every other team wants him so badly

How embarrassing would it be for him when we shop him and the best offer is a 3rd or 4th? I think it would be great for his ego to put him out there on the trade market…who knows the Bears May actually want some mediocrity in their lives and give up their early 2nd.

 

[xjx]

Many were thinking 2 first round picks. Not unless they were desperate. A third round pick. That's what I was thinking.

 

[Gildong Sack]

Why would they fire him? if he is so coveted use him to start replenishing the roster with the smorgasbord of picks he’ll bring in a trade scenario since obviously almost every other team wants him so badly

How embarrassing would it be for him when we shop him and the best offer is a 3rd or 4th? I think it would be great for his ego to put him out there on the trade market…who knows the Bears May actually want somee fools mediocrity in their lives and give up their early 2nd.

Oh I agree, fire him trade him, whatever. The point of their argument though is the Steelers would be fools to do that...why? Why wouldn't the fools be the team that snatches him up?

They act as if the Steelers didn't have success before Mike Tomlin came along, and as if it will be the end of days if he leaves. Ludicrous.

 

[SteveA]

TOMLINS STEELERS are gonna knock KC out of the play-offs...

ALL YOU TOMLIN SUCKS PEEPS ARE GONNA MELT DOWN

GO STEELERS....

 

[Lloyd]

Yes, conveniently for your statement there, Tony Dungy happened to come on board under Noll in 1981. He ended up being a pretty decent branch on Noll's tree.

Good point.

 

[diver]

Good point.

Not really. First of all, I simply forgot about Tony Dungy. There was no intent there. However, the dominant years for the Steelers in that era were from 1972-1979...I said 80 because Super Bowl 14 was in '80, but I guess you should really say the 1979 season.

Now, another poster posted these parameters of an assistant coach that would be looked at for a head job:

Having a coaching tree means either 1. a coordinator has an innovative system that dominates the NFL 2. a coordinator helps a unit overachieve or elevates QB play or 3. a team is making deep playoff runs and the rest of the NFL wants to replicate that success.

Now, without question, from '72 to '79 you had all of those things to some level in Pittsburgh. Tom Moore comes to mind in the last two Super Bowl years. Bud Carson in the first two. George Perles. Moore never got a HC gig in the NFL. Neither did Perles. Carson got his chance, but not until 1990 with the Browns. Dungy wasn't a coach in their most dominant era, and in the event, he made his coaching chops the most in Minnesota with Dennis Green.

So in their most dominant era, Noll didn't have any NFL tree come out of that. The whole concept is overrated. Now, is Tomlin hiring the best assistants? Hell, no. But discussions on trees is a convoluted way to get to that. He just hasn't been making good hires.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

TOMLINS STEELERS are gonna knock KC out of the play-offs...

ALL YOU TOMLIN SUCKS PEEPS ARE GONNA MELT DOWN

GO STEELERS....

Stupidest post I’ve seen in some time

Thanks for the laugh

What’s really comical is the Chiefs have a bye, so that alone makes it an almost impossible task as the Steelers would have to win a playoff game just to get to Arrowhead where they would obviously be summarily dismissed with extreme prejudice.

It’s cute you think they’re gonna win not
Only one but two playoff games

Good comedy