Trump - Make America Great Again!

[Superman]

What's racist about a wall to prevent ILLEGALs from entering the country?

When someone commits a crime - say, for instance, murder - we put them behind a wall to keep everyone else safe. We have methods in place for people to immigrate LEGALLY. I know of people who have immigrated legally. They've said that allowing anyone to just come here without following the process and steps in place is a slap in their faces. I have an uncle who worked on the Border Patrol for years. He'd been shot at numerous times by the so-called peaceful and loving immigrants who refuse to come here legally.

 

[oneforthebus]

Second point: I been around Mexicans all my life. I've heard every argument against them that there is. Bottom line: people are anti-Mexican because they're anti-Mexican. Not because they really think Mexicans are ruining America. They just don't like wetbacks and hide behind immigration laws to make their hate sound legitimate.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That's who we are, and if the racist ******** don't like it, they can pack their **** and move to Russia. Just because there are a lot of racist ********, that don't make the racist ******** right.

I've been around Mexicans for large parts of my life too, worked with many (and Central Americans and middle eastern people too for that matter) I have absolutely no problem with any of them. They were to a person decent hardworking family oriented people (although I will say some of the Muslims would openly would talk about how they hate Jews and consider them subhuman lifeforms as if they were talking about the weather).

I do have a problem with lawbreakers. Give me your tired your poor refers to people coming here legally, not people sneaking into the country, working under the table, driving without licenses or insurance, availing themselves of taxpayer funded services without contributing, etc. If you are coming here we need to know who you are, why you're coming here and what your background is for the security of all of us.

I also have a problem with employers who exploit them. I also now how hard it is to run a business legally and compete in areas where illegal hiring is rampant.

 

[Troglodyte]

Should he have said my nigga ?

It would have been wise not to single him out at all, but being that he had no idea who he was, he should have said "black".

I always find it amusing when news reports identify an unknown suspect or unidentified body as "African American". How do they know?

 

[Troglodyte]

When someone commits a crime - say, for instance, murder - we put them behind a wall to keep everyone else safe.

But we just don't put them behind a wall. We have people make sure they don't try to climb over or tunnel under it. And it's very expensive.

 

[Superman]

We have the Border Patrol to keep illegals from coming here. In fact, I stated that.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Pointing out the bigotry, racism and hatred of Trump's - and his supporters' - own words are not throwing out 'baseless accusations without facts'. Just the opposite.

Enforcing laws already on the books that were passed by a Democrat Congress and signed by a Democrat President is racist?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Pointing out the bigotry, racism and hatred of Trump's - and his supporters' - own words are not throwing out 'baseless accusations without facts'. Just the opposite.

You've specifically named me, and many others on this board, as bigots for supporting Trump.

When you say you agree 100% with this post by SteelV, it supports my point irrefutably - "All the racist Wall ******** who talked mad **** and got beat down should be mocked and laughed at"

His words specifically translated are anyone who supports building a wall is racist. They are therefore racists. I support building a wall. Therefore, since you agree 100% with his post, you agree that I am a racist.

Next?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Pointing out the bigotry, racism and hatred of Trump's - and his supporters' - own words are not throwing out 'baseless accusations without facts'. Just the opposite.

You've specifically named me, and many others on this board, as bigots for supporting Trump.

The point stands and is irrefutable.

 

[Tibs]

Placing a moratorium on Muslim immigration until a we can devise a better way of vetting them because Islamic extremism has become a threat to society is not racist.

It's not racist, it's dumb and ignorant. It also stands against the basic American tenet of freedom of religion and not persecuting people based on their religion. Forgot about that? That's also in the Constitution. There is more in there than just the 2nd amendment, believe it or not. But more than anything, it's just dumb and ignorant. Anyone asked at the border or airport, 'Are you a Muslim?' will just answer, 'No I'm not.' Then what?

What's racist about a wall to prevent ILLEGALs from entering the country?

Nothing. It's just incredibly dumb and a waste of time and money. You must know a large marjority of ''illegals'' don't simply walk across the border. This Trump notion of building a massive wall will solve problems is right out of Willi E Coyote & Road Runner cartoons.

Enforcing laws already on the books ...is racist?

Of course not. I fully support enforcing laws on the books, to their full extent.

You've specifically named me, and many others on this board, as bigots for supporting Trump. The point stands and is irrefutable.

I've called you and others out when you support Trump's bigoted assertions. Whoop de doo. I don't know if you're a full time bigot, or just a casual weekend bigot, but when you support bigoted ideas I guess you kind of have to own up to it. Sorry that hurts your feelings.

 

[BAS]

People are applying the 'racist' label simply for the fact that the vast majority of Illegal immigrants are of Mexican heritage -- something that Trump highlighted in his early speeches.
I wonder if there's a study of the breakdown by heritage of all the illegals in the US at this time. I would think that the largest majority of illegals would be from Central and South American countries -- therefore, largely Hispanic.

Is it racist then to say that we should be more vigilant in combating Illegal Immigration?

 

[Tibs]

Is it racist then to say that we should be more vigilant in combating Illegal Immigration?

Not at all. I know for a fact there are a large number of 'illegal immigrants' from Eastern Europe, travelling in on a tourist visa then overstaying that as long as they can get away with it. That's true overall, that most illegal immigrants are flying into our airports, or coming in on ships - not just crossing over the border on foot. They arrive on student visas or regular tourist visas. They then break the law and stay in the country interminably. But the peanut gallery is loud - and preoccupied - with bashing mexican and latin american illegal immigrants. They're the ones probably causing the least amount of harm, if you consider the jobs they do are mostly stuff the locals aren't clamoring after - gardening, farming, dishwashing. It's the 'non-brown' illegal immigrants that are impacting the work force negatively, when it comes to white collar jobs. But it's harder being mad at white folks for some reason.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

That is defining something that is racist - do you disagree with the definition?

To use a Timism, brace yourself this is gonna hurt.... "I specifically didn't say" Zack of Steel was racist. HA!

As predicted, you replied as I said you would..."Oh, what I said wasn't racist."

When you call the words coming out of someone's mouth 'racist' you ARE calling the person a racist.

Let's post some more Troggie gems, shall we?

I'll come out and say I hate black people. Let's face it, a good many of them are ******* ******** who are some combination of ignorant, irresponsible and apathetic. But that doesn't make me racist, because I hate white people even more than black people... for different reasons. White people tend to be some combination of naive, entitled and self-centered.

LOL

In regards to Dr. Ben Carson:

Is it racist to call him a house neurosurgeon?

Then there was this beauty, in the Vick thread, when Ron Burgundy stated

"Not casting aspersions, just an observation, but 100% of my black friends on Facebook are in favor of signing Vick while it is about 50/50 with my white friends."

to which ole' Troggie the non-racist replied:

"50% of your white friends are racist... "

Or this comment made to Spike:

Oh, so the problem of too many white people is funny, is it? Racist!

Or when Hanratty said in the Draft thread:

Who is Louis Riddick, he is incredibly well spoken and smart and a pleasure to listen to.

to which your simple reply was:

That's so racist.

Your comment to OFTB:

A balanced approach is my point. Sensationalism is not balance. I think media exploitation of racial events has created a culture in which there is no such thing as crying wolf when it comes to blacks making accusations racism. If you're the slightest bit skeptical or even impartial, you too are racist.

Or when Supe stated:

Japanese wimmenz ain't got pokies. Post pics to prove otherwise. Until then your argument is invalid.

to which you replied:

That's a racist statement albeit an accurate one. They are however obedient.

Shockingly, you actually made this quote a 2nd time on the board:

I hate black people.

And it does not make me a racist because I hate white people even more than I hate black people!

People are the worst!

It's almost to the point of being comical answering your questions. So you asked - "Please provide ONE example where I accused someone of hate, racism, or bigotry. ONE."

There you have it.

Moving on...

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I've called you and others out when you support Trump's bigoted assertions. Whoop de doo. I don't know if you're a full time bigot, or just a casual weekend bigot, but when you support bigoted ideas I guess you kind of have to own up to it. Sorry that hurts your feelings.

Which "bigoted assertions" have I openly supported on this thread? Building the wall? That makes me a bigot? Do explain.

 

[Tibs]

Which "bigoted assertions" have I openly supported on this thread? Building the wall? That makes me a bigot?

Don't worry, I'm not going to spend my Sunday afternoon sifting through your comments in a 250 page thread.

If you say you're not a bigot, I guess we'll have to take your word for it. Not being a bigot also means raising your voice when you come across hateful, bigoted comments. So I'll be looking forward to your posts here in the future next time you have an opportunity to call someone out - even if it's Trump or your tea party brethen on the board - for racist, bigoted comments and assertions.

 

[oneforthebus]

Not at all. I know for a fact there are a large number of 'illegal immigrants' from Eastern Europe, travelling in on a tourist visa then overstaying that as long as they can get away with it. That's true overall, that most illegal immigrants are flying into our airports, or coming in on ships - not crossing over the border on foot. They arrive student visas or regular tourist visas. They then break the law and stay in the country interminably. But the peanut gallery is loud - and preoccupied - with bashing mexican and latin american illegal immigrants. They're the ones probably causing the least amount of in harm, if you consider the jobs they do are mostly stuff the locals aren't clamoring after - gardening, farming, dishwashing. It's the 'non-brown' illegal immigrants that are impacting the work force negatively, when it comes to white collar jobs. But it's harder being mad at white folks for some reason

56% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico, another 24% from other Latin American countries. Only 6% come from Europe and Canada combined. We don't have a big illegal European immigration problem here, sorry Tibs.

That said I believe it would be far more cost effective and just effective period to create a guest worker program and start prosecuting illegal hiring than to build any wall. Yes we need these workers...we also need them to be here legally so they can be licensed, insured, taxed etc. like everyone else.

 

[Tibs]

56% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico, another 24% from other Latin American countries. Only 6% come from Europe and Canada combined. We don't have a big illegal European immigration problem here, sorry Tibs.

Sure, those are the documented illegal immigrants. I think the actual numbers are a bit different, but I would agree that the majority are still from Mexico and Latin America. So I overstated that aspect of it, for that I apologize.

That said I believe it would be far more cost effective and just effective period to create a guest worker program and start prosecuting illegal hiring than to build any wall. Yes we need these workers...we also need them to be here legally so they can be licensed, insured, taxed etc. like everyone else.

Agree with this 100%.

 

[Steeltime]

Trump lesson learned: don't **** with East San Jo.

On the other hand: some racist ******* with a "build a wall" shirt who wants to deport these kids' Abuelas and Tias getting smashed in his **** does not make me feel much sympathy. You dish out race hate and it comes back to bite you, that's just karma. Don't want to get ****** up in the hood? Try not being a racist douche bag.

We're talking about two different things here. A Klansman is wearing his robes and rallying with his friends at the town square. Some BLM types show up and start trouble. Is it morally correct for the BLMs to use violence? Absolutely not. But that is a separate question from "do I feel sorry for the Klansman who got beat up?" And the answer is no. No I don't. Same with the "build a wall" racist ********. You dish out race hate, I won't condone you being beaten, but I won't feel sorry for you either. All the vatos involved should be arrested and prosecuted. All the racist Wall ******** who talked mad **** and got beat down should be mocked and laughed at.

Agree with this 100%.

Your mutual comments about "not feeling sorry for" and "laughing at" people who are violently attacked for no legitimate reason are genuinely scary. This nation was founded on the precept that citizens have the right to express political views. Further, relative to flag burning - a tactic used frequently by the violent mobs who attack Trump - the Supreme Court has pointed out that challenging, potentially divisive speech is the speech that deserves protection.

Also, Vanguard's statements about "wearing a Klan robe" and "rallying at a town square" demonstrate the technique that Hillary has perfected: State many facts accurately, but misstate key facts to assert a position that seems logical but in fact is predicated on a lie. Specifically, those who were attacked were not wearing "Klan robes." Further, they were leaving a Trump rally, and were not even holding an event in public.

The more accurate version of events - and one you both think is hilarious - would be, "So some violent gang members break into a private political rally, and attack attendees who are expressing political views and who are engaged in no threatening or violent action." That is what both of you support.

And for the love of God, spare me the claim, "Well I said the violent attackers should be prosecuted." Seriously, what you say is literally no different than saying, "I get that Klansmen attacking peaceful African-American protesters is wrong, but those clowns went into a WHITE neighborhood to protest so I don't feel sorry for them at all. Oh, yeah, I think that those Klansmen should be prosecuted and all, but seeing those guys get knocked the **** out was hilarious. I mean, what did they expect? Lesson: Don't mess with the Klan."

Your statements put you on the wrong side of the issue. If we allow a violent group of protesters to suppress political speech - and saying, "Yeah, I understand why they did that, it was hilarious, don't mess with the vatos supports their violence - then we are in fact allowing a tactic first used utilized by the Brownshirts to take place.

The Sturmabteilung, literally Storm Department, functioned as the original paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party (NSDAP). It played a significant role in Adolf Hitler's rise to power in the 1920s and 1930s. Their primary purposes were providing protection for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing parties

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

 

[Tibs]

Btw, it looks like about 60-40 split as far as those coming in illegaly (EWI), and those overstaying visas.

Regardless of what Trump wants you to think, it's ironic that illegal immigration has been on a steady decline since it's peak around 2000. For instance, more illegal immigrants are actually returning to Mexico currenly than new ones coming in. That's another problem with the wall, it will actually keep penned in those foreigners that are trying to get the **** out.

This covers various viewpoints breaking down the numbers

40% of undocumented immigrants come by air
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...os/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/

U.S. illegal immigrant population falls below 11 million, continuing nearly decade-long decline, report says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nuing-nearly-decade-long-decline-report-says/

 

[oneforthebus]

Sure, those are the documented illegal immigrants. I think the actual numbers are a bit different, but I would agree that the majority are still from Mexico and Latin America. So I overstated that aspect of it, for that I apologize.

So when people talk about Hispanic illegal immigrants they are talking about the largest source of illegal immigration. It's not because they hate brown people. Immigrants from Europe and Canada while perhaps competing for higher level jobs are also not the drain on our economic resources that uneducated poor Hispanic workers are. 64% of illegal immigrant households are on some form of welfare. When you have areas of California and Texas where 1/3-1/2 of school aged children speak English as a second language, that's a huge drain on the school system.

 

[oneforthebus]

Btw, it looks like about 60-40 split as far as those coming in illegaly (EWI), and those overstaying visas.

Regardless of what Trump wants you to think, it's ironic that illegal immigration has been on a steady decline since it's peak around 2000. For instance, more illegal immigrants are actually returning to Mexico currenly than new ones coming in. That's another problem with the wall, it will actually keep penned in those foreigners that are trying to get the **** out.

This covers various viewpoints breaking down the numbers

40% of undocumented immigrants come by air
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...os/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/

U.S. illegal immigrant population falls below 11 million, continuing nearly decade-long decline, report says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nuing-nearly-decade-long-decline-report-says/

Because the economy sucks. There are fewer jobs to compete for.

 

[diver]

There is a basic American tenet for freedom of religion and not persecuting anyone for their religion. Agreed.

There is also a basic tenet of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, 3 things that many Muslims have no interest in.

Maybe it is time we first apply these tenets to Americans, who they were meant for, before trying to apply them to other people.

 

[Steeltime]

Regardless of what Trump wants you to think, it's ironic that illegal immigration has been on a steady decline since it's peak around 2000.

The Obama economy has been the biggest reason for the decline in illegal immigration. Ironic, huh?

That's another problem with the wall, it will actually keep penned in those foreigners that are trying to get the **** out.

Oh, for crying out loud, Tibs, have you ever driven into Mexico????

The line to get into Mexico is almost non-existent. Nobody is prevented from going INTO the country. The line running a mile long is the one ENTERING the United States.

A wall would not prevent illegals from returning to Mexico, and the suggestion that it would is clearly, demonstrably inaccurate.

Entering Mexico:

Entering the United States:

 

[Tibs]

Oh, for crying out loud, Tibs, have you ever driven into Mexico????

Sorry, I figured the illegals that were coming in across the border - hence the need for the Great Wall of Trump - wouldn't simply drive through the border crossing. My bad.

 

[Troglodyte]

There you have it.

Moving on...

So making jokes, many about myself, many not even in the Politics and Religion, or discussing the perils of questioning claims of racism is "attempting to silence people" - that is a huge reach, or you are even more uptight than originally thought -probably both.

Burgundy often jokingly accuses people of being racist. You forgot to accuse him of attempting to silence people.

 

[Buster]

Please explain to me why we have processes in place to come to this country legally if we do not deny those who do not follow these processes.

Steel Vanguard...I'm waiting for an answer. Don't sidestep the issue.