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US Capitol breached

I get where you guys are coming from, but all I can say over and over again, is that these social media platforms kicked Trump off for violating their user policy. Nothing more nothing less. You can argue this is some huge, liberal take-over, but I'm not seeing it. Twitter, FB, Youtube at al allow a wide-spectrum of political views and discussions. Inciting violence seems to be a red line that will get you banned. It'll get you banned if you're a liberal Democrat, a far left anarchist, a moderate, or someone who doesn't follow politics at all.

Parler, as noted, was given notice by Amazon to implement a moderation policy to remove 'extreme' and 'violent' content, aka calls to murder public officials and the like. They refused, so Amazon dropped them. Parler is now faced with finding a web server company who'll host them, or perhaps, be faced with figuring out a way to get violent, dangerous content off their site in order to get back online.

Conservatives, Trump supporters, Republicans haven't been banned en masse from anything. The mass exodus from twitter was voluntary, done in protest. Nobody is 'completely silencing the other side.' That's simply a fairy tale being spun by Trump and his supporters with hurt feelings and chapped hides.
Its great that Unka Georg sent you the same talking points that he sent to the media, the Dems and the tech sensors:
"nothing to see here, hurry along."

Point to the words that Trump used to incite folks, please.

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I get where you guys are coming from, but all I can say over and over again, is that these social media platforms kicked Trump off for violating their user policy. Nothing more nothing less.

But that's a provable lie. What exactly did Trump say that "incited violence"?? Nothing. In fact, lying twitter specifically stated it was suspending Trump's account for the following reason:

Twitter and Facebook on Wednesday said they would lock the account of President Donald Trump after he continued to make false claims about the results of the 2020 U.S. presidential election.

Twitter said Trump’s account would remain locked for 12 hours after he removed the tweets that it said breached the company’s civic integrity policy.

Twitter has also warned that if Trump continues to violate the company’s rules it “will result in the permanent suspension of the @realDonaldTrump account.”

Facebook said it would lock Trump’s account for 24 hours, preventing him from posting on the service. Facebook-owned Instagram is also locking Trump’s account there.

“We’ve assessed two policy violations against President Trump’s Page which will result in a 24-hour feature block, meaning he will lose the ability to post on the platform during that time,” Facebook said in a statement.

Snap told CNBC that it has locked Trump’s account because it was deeply concerned about Trump’s dangerous rhetoric.

“We can confirm that earlier today we locked President Trump’s Snapchat account,” said a Snap spokesperson on Wednesday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/twi...n-any-calls-for-violence-in-capitol-riot.html

Conclusory allegations, fluff claims and allegations - "dangerous rhetoric," "inciting violence." Yeah, sure. Except the claim is an absolute lie. When asked to cite exactly what Trump stated that would "incite violence," Twitter had this to say:

"After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them — specifically how they are being received and interpreted on and off Twitter — we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence," Twitter wrote in a post.

Twitter noted that they told him then that "additional violations of the Twitter Rules would potentially result in this very course of action." It then quoted the two tweets posted by Trump which it deemed to have violated those rules.

"The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future," the first tweet proclaimed. "They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!"

The second tweet added, "To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th."

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/08/tw...d-trump-he-incited-violence-and-now-hes-gone/

So it's not what Trump is saying, it's not Trump actually inciting violence or calling for violence, it's merely Trump saying we have a giant voice, won't be silenced and that he is not going to attend the inauguration.

I had to find these facts for you, Tibs, because you are so intellectually lazy right now that you just don't care what the truth is. Twitter, instagram and Facebook are using their monopoly to ban protected political speech from the President for the simply reason they can.

Your claim that Trump somehow "violated" rules is a lie, Tibs. Stop lying.

You can argue this is some huge, liberal take-over, but I'm not seeing it. Twitter, FB, Youtube at al allow a wide-spectrum of political views and discussions. Inciting violence seems to be a red line that will get you banned. It'll get you banned of you're a liberal Democrat, a far left anarchist, a moderate, or someone who doesn't follow politics at all.

Bullshit. Trump was NOT ******* BANNED FOR INCITING VIOLENCE.

Stop being such a lazy, lying moron.
 
That is what Tibs is claiming - private businesses are not subject to the 1st amendment.

Except when they are able to stay in business only due to immunity granted by Congress and then use their power to quash competition. These monopolies are censoring speech, thereby losing their claims to be a mere "platform," and have now taken overt steps to crush the competition. They deserve to be sued into oblivion.

They're not. It only applies to government limiting the free speech of its citizens. It's censorship for sure, but not a first amendment issue.
 
If Section 230 is repealed, then platforms like Facebook & Twitter & parler etc WOULD be held liable for what people post there?
 
I get where you guys are coming from, but all I can say over and over again, is that these social media platforms kicked Trump off for violating their user policy. Nothing more nothing less. You can argue this is some huge, liberal take-over, but I'm not seeing it. Twitter, FB, Youtube at al allow a wide-spectrum of political views and discussions. Inciting violence seems to be a red line that will get you banned. It'll get you banned if you're a liberal Democrat, a far left anarchist, a moderate, or someone who doesn't follow politics at all.

Parler, as noted, was given notice by Amazon to implement a moderation policy to remove 'extreme' and 'violent' content, aka calls to murder public officials and the like. They refused, so Amazon dropped them. Parler is now faced with finding a web server company who'll host them, or perhaps, be faced with figuring out a way to get violent, dangerous content off their site in order to get back online.

Conservatives, Trump supporters, Republicans haven't been banned en masse from anything. The mass exodus from twitter was voluntary, done in protest. Nobody is 'completely silencing the other side.' That's simply a fairy tale being spun by Trump and his supporters with hurt feelings and chapped hides.

When you have the intellectual honesty to stand up and admit that he did not incite violence based on the FACTS and HIS OWN WORDS (the quotes are right there in the public for everyone to see after all), instead of falling back on the same old fabricated BS talking points, maybe I'll buy in that you see where I'm coming from. You keep ignoring this simple fact that this is all fabricated by the media and hoping that pesky truth thing will go away. It won't. This is the same **** the media has been doing to Trump and Trump supporters for 4 years, so you'll have to excuse us of being ******* over it. The media class are out and out liars and you folks are just lapping it up gleefully, completely ignorant to the fact that you are being deceived so they can get your rage views over untruths.

Oh and several Trump supporters have most definitely been fired from their jobs for admitting that fact on their personal social media accounts. That is fact.
 
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After watching 60 Minutes tonight, I’m all for Donald being removed from office, but I probably wouldn’t go out of my way to make it happen. If he had years left to serve, maybe.

There is the problem.
You could have just read tibs news network
Right here.
 
Bullshit. Trump was NOT ******* BANNED FOR INCITING VIOLENCE. Stop being such a lazy, lying moron.

Steeltime, take a long, hard look at what has happened since the election. Look at the weeks of provable lies pushing the election fraud conspiracy. Even after all the States certified their votes, after looking into irregularities, including multiple court cases around the country, the States votes were verified, and sent to Congress for counting. Trump continued to spew lies about the process, including his most dangerous one, convincing his supporters Pence would be able to keep votes from being counted on the 6th. A rally was organized in DC for the 6th, where Trump continued the vitriol and telling people to continue the fight, and turned on Pence and Congress. This angry mob then proceeded to violently attack the Capitol, forcing a lockdown and the VP being evacuated from the building. His messaging on twitter served to propagate the same lies he was saying to anyone willing to listen, at his rallies and on television.

The storming of the Capitol was the physical culmination of his desire to somehow sabotage the election. In the weeks before the violence took place on the 6th, Twitter and other social media platforms began flagging Trump's tweets with warnings, that they contained false information regarding the election. This went on for weeks. When things got out of control, and the Capital was overrun, Trump was warned again, for propagating the same falsehoods that led to those events. He continued unabated, and was consequently banned.

So you can split hairs about the wording about why he was banned, if it was for speading lies, or inciting violence. Those were all very much connected, in the view of Twitter officials who made the call. Same thing is playing out in the House, were Trump is facing impeachment for the very same reasons. And the calls for his resignation, and the invoking of the 25th amendment.

He has proven to be a dangerous, desperate President who has spun out of control. Being banned from social media is the least of his concerns right now.

Parler is a slightly different case. There, Amazon sent Parler a whole series of examples showing graphic posts calling for the murder of Pence, Pelosi and others. Also, it contained content specific to the attack on the Capitol, and the further planning of additional attacks in the future. Parler didn't see anything wrong with thousands of violent extremists discussing and planning on murdering Americans and elected officials and plotting an insurrection on their platform. They refused to implement a moderation policy to screen out this type of violent content. Consequently, Amazon cancelled their contract.

That brings us to where we are today.

No, I don't see this as a freedom of speech issue, or a censorship issue, or an attempt to squash conservative voices in America. I see it for what it is, a case of public safety and national security at an incredibly volatile and dangerous moment in the nation's history.

And see, I was able to type all that up without calling you names or insulting you. Because I understand full well you - and others - have a different view on things. I just wanted to explain my take.
 
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Hey Phinnster. I've gone back a few pages in this thread, and it's perfectly clear you have absolutely nothing to add to the conversation.

All you're left with, is doling out slurs and personal attacks like a petulant child. So why don't you back up that big 'ol mouth of yours? Go and sift through the 11,000+ posts of mine on this board and list all the times I've supported either 'communism' or 'socialism' in any which way.

Since you call me a communist in every post, surely you'll find plenty of material to back up that claim.

Take your time, I'll be here for you at the end. When you do come back, do what any real man would do and apologize for your ongoing vile personal attacks.

And that goes for anyone else throwing around the term 'communist' to attack anyone on the board who doesn't agree with Trump.

Otherwise, do yourself a favor, shut the **** up and stop slandering others.

Or maybe, have you thought about actually discussing the topics in these threads? Crazy idea, I know, but perhaps you could give it a shot.

Aww truth hurts eh Tibtard you hypocritical ******* douchebag.

You've been demonizing Trump supporters for 4 ******* years, calling us white supremacists, racist, alt right. QAnon conspiracy theorists, now you're you're crying like a little ***** because I called you a Commie? Too ******* bad.

When you stop supporting and making excuses for violent Anti cop Marxist groups like BLM and Antifa.When you refrain from cheering the deplatforming of a Conservative social media sites and Republican leaning speakers. When you start denouncing Cancel culture and identity politics, When you withdraw support for all the Socialist garbage the Democrat party advocates I'll stop referring to you as a commie.

Until then go **** yourself.
 
Baaawwwkkkkk!!!! The Sky is falling!! The Sky is FALLLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!! Baaaawwwkkk!!!!

Based on your childish response, you seem to think it's perfectly normal that the FBI sent out a country-wide bulletin that there are plans for ARMED 'protests' in all 50 state capitals?

I presume we'll be hearing more about this next few days, and seeing State governments prepare accordingly. As I wrote before, stay safe everyone.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: The Michigan Capitol Commission, in a sudden reversal, voted unanimously Monday to ban the open carry of guns inside the Michigan Capitol, effective immediately. Story coming to <a href="https://twitter.com/freep?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@freep</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mileg?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mileg</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/guns?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#guns</a></p>— Paul Egan (@paulegan4) <a href="https://twitter.com/paulegan4/status/1348693625807450113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Aww truth hurts eh Tibtard you hypocritical ******* douchebag.

Just as I predicted, you have nothing. Just pure, unfounded slander and slurs. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
Just as I predicted, you have nothing. Just pure, unfounded slander and slurs. Thanks for clearing that up.

Keep dodging Tibs, it's what you leftists do best. I'd ignore posts too if they exposed my blatant hypocrisy and love for socialism.
 
Absent Trump’s rhetoric, do we still see paramilitary wannabes occupying the chambers of Congress with zip ties?
Maybe. But probably not.
 
Hmmm, third Trump cabinet member to resign within days.

This one is particularly odd, given recent events and the FBI warnings regarding upcoming Inauguration week.

Acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf stepping down

Acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf is stepping down, Fox News has learned.

Wolf sent a letter to DHS employees Monday afternoon informing them of his decision.

"I am saddened to take this step, as it was my intention to serve the Department until the end of this Administration," Wolf wrote. "Unfortunately this action is warranted by recent events, including the ongoing and meritless court rulings regarding the validity of my authority as Acting Secretary."

Wolf went on to say that Pete Gaynor, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) administrator, will become the acting secretary of DHS.
 
It is starting to look like people are going to get what they want; a full, armed conflict, right here in the good old USA. These politicians are about to reap what they have so willingly sown for years now. They have committed far more crimes against our nation than the mindless, easily led automatons that rush to defend them at every turn could ever possibly.

The left and the right have far more in common right now than they realize. Both sides have millions of people that feel disenfranchised, insulted, marginalized, neglected, unheard, criminalized, dehumanized and disrespected. The reasons why may be different, but all of it has been sown by the "leaders" in our government, all while failing to protect and aid them during a pandemic, destroying businesses and livelihoods, and stealing their money to send to other nations while living in their million dollar mansions never missing a paycheck under the guise of safety.

Imagine the change that could come if all of these people directed their anger where it belonged instead of at each other. We are being played by 536 people in DC. We are at each others' throats ready to destroy one another, and they keep throwing the rhetoric, ratcheting it up further and further to the delight of the sheep that follow them. And we keep looking the wrong direction. It is sad to watch.
 
It is starting to look like people are going to get what they want; a full, armed conflict, right here in the good old USA. These politicians are about to reap what they have so willingly sown for years now. They have committed far more crimes against our nation than the mindless, easily led automatons that rush to defend them at every turn could ever possibly.

The left and the right have far more in common right now than they realize. Both sides have millions of people that feel disenfranchised, insulted, marginalized, neglected, unheard, criminalized, dehumanized and disrespected. The reasons why may be different, but all of it has been sown by the "leaders" in our government, all while failing to protect and aid them during a pandemic, destroying businesses and livelihoods, and stealing their money to send to other nations while living in their million dollar mansions never missing a paycheck under the guise of safety.

Imagine the change that could come if all of these people directed their anger where it belonged instead of at each other. We are being played by 536 people in DC. We are at each others' throats ready to destroy one another, and they keep throwing the rhetoric, ratcheting it up further and further to the delight of the sheep that follow them. And we keep looking the wrong direction. It is sad to watch.

Your hearts in the right place but you are wrong about right and left having things in common. The left has gone full communist and the right still wants small government and personal liberty. The issue is precisely that we are now diametrically opposed because the 60s radicals took over the DNC.
 
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They're not. It only applies to government limiting the free speech of its citizens. It's censorship for sure, but not a first amendment issue.

Not true. Private businesses are precluded from retaliating against a customer or employee for protected speech, i.e., something not defamatory, an incitement to violence, etc.

Meanwhile, in bars and parlors across the country, the issue of the flag and the anthem are being aired—and one massive misconception is that, because the players are private employees performing in a private venue, the First Amendment doesn’t apply to their protest.

Of course it does. Just like David J. Freeman in church, they are protected from being jailed, or in any way punished by the state, because someone considers their protests offensive or unpatriotic.

As private business owners, the owners may negotiate a contract with their players—including one that requires the players to stand during the anthem. Whether the NFL players’s agreement gives the owners that power may very well wind up in court—but as a matter of contract, not constitutional, law.

But, if the owners were acting for the government—or under government threat or compulsion—then, as Sir Edward Plowden might once have said, the case is altered. The First Amendment really would come into play.

The First Amendment does not just protect the players against prosecution for crime. Under a long line of cases, it also forbids any kind of official retaliation because of their protected speech. Retaliation cases are a staple of public employee law; teachers, say, or other government workers may speak—outside of work—about public matters and find themselves demoted or fired not long afterwards. If the employee can show that the adverse action was taken because of the protected speech, then whoever ordered the retaliation can be sued for violating free-speech rights.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/when-can-private-entities-censor-speech/543588/

Further, these entities are very plainly targeting conservative speech and by doing so, are exercising editorial powers. That means they can no longer claim to be a mere "platform."
 
Just as I predicted, you have nothing. Just pure, unfounded slander and slurs. Thanks for clearing that up.

I responded with links and facts showing your claims - "Trump incited violence, Trump violated rules, private businesses are not affected by the 1st amendment" - are universally untrue.

So as usual, you ignored my detailed information about why Twitter and Fakebook banned Trump - and it had NOTHING to do with inciting violence or anything remotely of the sort. They banned him because they are liberal douchebags doing douchebaggy liberal things and because they can.

No other reason.
 
Impossible to "win" when the voting machines just keep spitting out democratic votes.

You can bury your head in the sand and pretend we still have a democracy. The only thing that will do is suffocate you.

We've NEVER had a democracy.
It's been a Republic since our founding.
 
They banned him because they are liberal douchebags doing douchebaggy liberal things and because they can. No other reason.

I see. So you're stating the recent banning of Trump from across all social media platforms has absolutely nothing to do with:

1. the content of his tweets,
2. the repeated warnings he recieved, or
3. the storming of the Capitol on January 6th.

It is solely a totalitarian move by power-hungry liberal owners and management of social media companies to kick Trump to the curb as a form of supressing the views and opinions of conservatives and Republicans.

Ok, I think you've made it clear what your views are on this. I respectfully disagree, as I outlined in my earlier response.
 
*Remember in 2011 when tens of thousands of Democrats surged on the Wisconsin Capitol building in Madison and physically occupied it for more than two weeks? We were told, "This is what democracy looks like."

*Remember in 2016 when Obama was President and hundreds of BLM blocked interstate highways and violently accosted police (even killing several)? We were told, "To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible."

*Remember in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings when a mob of Democrats stormed the U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, DC, and pounded their fists in rage on the door. We were told, "It's understandable."

*Remember this summer's riots in major cities across the country when groups of Democrats marched in the streets, set buildings on fire, looted businesses, assaulted and even killed bystanders and police? We were told, "These are mostly peaceful protests."

*Remember when Democrats seized several blocks of the Capitol Hill neighborhood in downtown Seattle, declaring it an autonomous zone? Remember the guns ad deaths and utter destruction? We were told, "It's a block party atmosphere."

*Remember when a crazed mob gathered after the Republican National Convention and attacked Rand Paul, a sitting U.S. Senator? We were told, "No justice, no peace."
*Remember how police were told to stand down, governors refused to call in the national guard, and Democrats paid bail for violent protesters who were arrested? We were told, "This is the only way oppressed people can be heard."

Pepperidge farm remembers
 
That's strange. Why wouldn't Belichik accept a Presidential Medal of Freedom from Trump? I thought he was a big MAGA fan.


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Looks like the Canadians have seen enough. Kudos to them.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Canada considers adding Proud Boys to terrorist list alongside Isis and al-Qaida <a href="https://t.co/LDYVcd7Cks">https://t.co/LDYVcd7Cks</a></p>— The Guardian (@guardian) <a href="https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1348761917750439936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
 
Ironically enough, the deranged MAGA base is now going after Republicans, particularly VP Mike Pence, not just Democratic leaders.

'Hang Mike Pence' trends on Twitter
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitter-trending-hang-mike-pence

This is what happens when a sitting President feeds his lunatic base with lie after lie regarding the outcome of the election. That was followed by lie after lie about what Pence could - or could not - do to sabotage the Constitutional process of counting States votes. Trump whipped his base into a frenzy, then unleashed them on the Capitol on Wed, then sat back and watched in glee.

Here, let esteemed citizen Alex Jones explain Trump's role in the storming of the Capitol.

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NOW Alex Jones is credible and factually based?!?!?
I have now seen everything.
Congrats, world. You win.
 
Liberals typically no longer even know the concept of a "credible" source in the Trump era. He's turned them into wild eyed conspiracy nuts pulling the most far fetched **** they can find and believing every word of it. It's kind of inspiring to watch in a way.
 
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