We All Know Tomlin Won't Get Fired -- How About This...?

[TDX27]

At the end of the first half, Ben would have gone off on Canada if he were on the sidelines when he came off the field. Instead, he said something to Tomlin. My guess is he told Tomlin that he is calling the plays the rest of the way. They, once again, didn't even try to score there in the hurry up when they were down 23-0.

Unfortunately, Tomlin isn't going anywhere for years so we can ***** all we want but the best we can hope for is he fires the assistants, hires new assistants that can actually do the job, and he stays the **** out of it and lets them do their jobs. He absolutely runs the D. Anyone who thinks otherwise really has no clue what has been going on with the Steelers since LeBeau left. Tomlin wanted LeBeau out so he could implement his own D.

 

[SteelerFan448]

The Vikings also had an advantage with the timing of the snap -- what's with Turner looking back at Ben and then tapping Green? Everybody and their grandmother knows exactly when that ball is going to move. Every time. I understand that they're trying to combat the crowd noise, but how rudimentary is that?

Every team does this.

 

[Omar10213245]

That’s your opinion, I happen to think differently. One of the two had to be converted, NO MATTER WHAT. By making the first one, it gives you the option of going for the win on the second. Kicking on the first only gives you a chance to tie. Failing either means you lose, just like they did. The D giving up the last TD hurt much more than the missed 2 point attempt

I'm sorry, but this is a pants-on-head stupid as **** way of looking at it. I take it you graduated from the mike tomlin in-game decision-making university?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

He is too arrogant a piece of **** to ever be embarrassed. He will just keep ******* the Rooney's and cashing their checks.

He will be here at least until his current contract runs out, two years I think.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Hell, there were hardly even stunting. And Trai Turner is supposed to be a veteran, he was the main culprit from what I watched.

He's terrible. Been saying it.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

The cardinal rule of football is to never make it a 2 score game. But of course Tomlin eschews convention and goes with his fat gut.

You are an imbecile. Look it up so you know it's not an insult.

 

[Steeltime]

That dumb ******* screen pass that we tried for the 2 point conversion had Canada written all over it. That has to be the dumbest play call in that spot that you can even try to explain.

WR screens are not a good call at the 2-yard line for the simple reason basically every defender is standing within 5' of the line of scrimmage. Too many defenders to block.

WR screens elsewhere on the field also suck, but that's another discussion.

 

[MT~Forged]

I'm sorry, but this is a pants-on-head stupid as **** way of looking at it. I take it you graduated from the mike tomlin in-game decision-making university?

You don’t pay much attention to other poster’s do you? If you did, you would know that there are really only 1 or 2 actual Tomlin supporters, and I’m not one of them.

They were down by 15 with plenty of time left. This requires that at least one time they must convert a 2 point play. They try on the first TD, I agree that it probably wasn’t the time most people do, but I feel that it caught them a little by surprise. The call, and execution were both ***, but doesn’t mean the call was 100% wrong. They fail, down by 9, not the end of the world. Where the game was FINALLY lost was when the D gave up YET AGAIN, another TD. They scored again AND converted the 2 got back to 8, then had a chance to tie at the end. Without the last TD the D gave up they were in position to WIN with a makeable FG. With a team this poorly coached and stocked, that is a fair plan in the end IMO.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Unfortunately, Tomlin isn't going anywhere for years so we can ***** all we want but the best we can hope for is he fires the assistants, hires new assistants that can actually do the job, and he stays the **** out of it and lets them do their jobs.

This is less likely than than Rooney actually firing him.

 

[BurghThing]

At the end of the first half, Ben would have gone off on Canada if he were on the sidelines when he came off the field. Instead, he said something to Tomlin. My guess is he told Tomlin that he is calling the plays the rest of the way. They, once again, didn't even try to score there in the hurry up when they were down 23-0.

Unfortunately, Tomlin isn't going anywhere for years so we can ***** all we want but the best we can hope for is he fires the assistants, hires new assistants that can actually do the job, and he stays the **** out of it and lets them do their jobs. He absolutely runs the D. Anyone who thinks otherwise really has no clue what has been going on with the Steelers since LeBeau left. Tomlin wanted LeBeau out so he could implement his own D.

Shades will never hire anyone competent because they will show him up.

 

[swal75]

You don't go for two until you have to. They were down 15 could have cut it to 8 and needlessly went for two at that point. But that was on Ben. He threw up the two fingers and Tomlin deferred.

While normally I'd agree, they had the Vikings on the ropes at that point and their defense, especially their fat guys up front, had been on the field for so long that I don't hate the call to go for 2 there. Except they ran an idiotic play given that the Vikes have 2 HOF level DB's.

We’d literally done anything we wanted for like 3 straight series and you want to give that defense a chance to regroup? No way.

 

[madinsomniac]

That’s your opinion, I happen to think differently. One of the two had to be converted, NO MATTER WHAT. By making the first one, it gives you the option of going for the win on the second. Kicking on the first only gives you a chance to tie. Failing either means you lose, just like they did. The D giving up the last TD hurt much more than the missed 2 point attempt

Strategically when you are mounting a comeback, you have no idea how much the other team will score the rest of the game so you take points and dont force things until time limits require it…

Had we simply kicked the field goal we are within a score and a 2 point conversion from tying it… that puts a lot more pressure on an offense than a two possession game does… moreover when they scored again, you are only 15 points back rather than 16 which is huge…

It was the wrong move. Not by opinion, just by football 101 strategy.. which I’m sure like two coaches in the nfl even bother to try to occasionally understand these days….

 

[SteelerSask2]

While normally I'd agree, they had the Vikings on the ropes at that point and their defense, especially their fat guys up front, had been on the field for so long that I don't hate the call to go for 2 there. Except they ran an idiotic play given that the Vikes have 2 HOF level DB's.

We’d literally done anything we wanted for like 3 straight series and you want to give that defense a chance to regroup? No way.

It was a gut call based upon Ben wanting to go and what you are saying but the last play doesn't effect the next and they couldn't run worth **** so you could eliminate that. Virtually every gut call Tomlin makes Iike the challenge he called on the Ben fumble in the first half, just blows up in his dumbass face.

 

[wig]

Personally, I tend to be a bit cautious, so I would have voted for kicking the extra point and chasing the 8 points later. Doing that really puts the Vikes in a sphincter clenching moment because they know they are within a single score so they need to be a bit more careful.

On the other hand, it is certainly fair to say the Steelers had TONS of momentum on their side. So, you may feel it was a good time to take the risk. There's a good deal of positive that comes from converting it. The team feels as though they actually have a real chance and perhaps it continues to invigorate your defense. I can see it both ways.

 

[wig]

As somebody else pointed out though, whoever came up with that ******* screen play for the 2 point conversion? That was a TERRIBLE idea.

 

[MB47]

You are an imbecile. Look it up so you know it's not an insult.

Looks like you learned a new word in Tomlin's word of the day book

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

At the end of the first half, Ben would have gone off on Canada if he were on the sidelines when he came off the field. Instead, he said something to Tomlin. My guess is he told Tomlin that he is calling the plays the rest of the way. They, once again, didn't even try to score there in the hurry up when they were down 23-0.

Unfortunately, Tomlin isn't going anywhere for years so we can ***** all we want but the best we can hope for is he fires the assistants, hires new assistants that can actually do the job, and he stays the **** out of it and lets them do their jobs. He absolutely runs the D. Anyone who thinks otherwise really has no clue what has been going on with the Steelers since LeBeau left. Tomlin wanted LeBeau out so he could implement his own D.

Yup, I strongly suspect Ben was taking over a lot of play calling from Canada in the 2nd half of the Ravens and Vikings game, the contrast of play calling content and effectiveness from 1st to 2nd half is night and day. In the 2nd half, we suddenly push the ball down the field and use the middle of the field (those arguing Ben can't do that anymore are wrong, the only throw I don't see anymore from Ben are down an outs to the sideline).

Then there is this from Johnson after the Raven's game
Diontae Johnson on Ben in no-huddle: "He's playing comfortable. He's calling what he sees. He's able to adjust whenever he wants. We're comfortable, too. Not taking anything from the OC but we're just playing. We're doing whatever he tells us. The offense just rallies round him."

That's a young guy still establishing his cred going as far as he can go without pissing off the OC

Canada sucks, there is nothing commiting the Steelers to "give him more time" other than the ego's of Tomlin and the front office preventing them from just cutting their losses now. His offense is at the bottom of the league, no progress, in many ways regression as the year goes along.

The 1st halves of these games are Canada's gameplans, the results speak for themselves.

We all know Tomlin won't get fired, the only end is he will someday retire on his own terms, but my god get rid of Canada.

My worst fear is Canada is given input in a premium pick on a QB and attempts to develop that player, could set us back 8 years...

 

[topseed]

They were down by 15 with plenty of time left. This requires that at least one time they must convert a 2 point play. They try on the first TD, I agree that it probably wasn’t the time most people do, but I feel that it caught them a little by surprise. The call, and execution were both ***, but doesn’t mean the call was 100% wrong. They fail, down by 9, not the end of the world. Where the game was FINALLY lost was when the D gave up YET AGAIN, another TD. They scored again AND converted the 2 got back to 8, then had a chance to tie at the end. Without the last TD the D gave up they were in position to WIN with a makeable FG. With a team this poorly coached and stocked, that is a fair plan in the end IMO.

That’s your opinion, I happen to think differently. One of the two had to be converted, NO MATTER WHAT. By making the first one, it gives you the option of going for the win on the second. Kicking on the first only gives you a chance to tie. Failing either means you lose, just like they did. The D giving up the last TD hurt much more than the missed 2 point attempt

Yes, and my "opinion" is most likely shared by about 99% of the pro and FBS college coaches out there, while the way you think is shared by...Mike Tomlin.

You keep complaining about the defense giving up another score -- why is this a surprise in a game where the Steelers gave up 300 yards of offense in the first half? If the Steelers miss that second conversion, then they're down by TEN at the end. In your scenario, they had to make two out of three 2-point conversions just to have a chance to tie. Not good odds.

 

[topseed]

Every team does this.

I watch a lot of football, and I simply have to disagree with this. Every NFL team does NOT make the snap timing that clear and obvious.

 

[steelville]

I really don’t want to join the Tomlin bashing, no matter how deserved it is, but…. The one thing clearly missing from this team for a long time is discipline. That is on Tomlin. No arguments on that one. Do you think Belichek would have someone playing who wasted 10 seconds with less than a minute left to pose like a total idiot? And I don’t like Belichek BTW. How many things like this over the years are tolerated is beyond comprehension.

 

[Steeltime]

On the TD to Osborn ... the Vikings were raping the Steelers with the running game. Steelers committed to stopping the run and FINALLY did so in the 2nd half, holding Cook to something like 9 carries for 29 yards.

Great. Except now the defense is forced to single the WR's. You want to put 8 in the box to stop the run? Get ready for man coverage on the outside, with help shading towards Jefferson for obvious reasons.

You want to put 8 in the box and still have 2-deep safety help to avoid long TD passes? Time for the 4-4-4 defense, I guess, or maybe moving north of the border.

I get that the long TD pass killed the team. Got it. But that play happens because the f---ing defense cannot stop simple A-gap running plays without committing a bunch of guys to stopping the run.

 

[MB47]

Tomlin is the leagues worst coach at situational football and all his warts we're exposed again last night in this area. Guy is just stupid as **** and stubborn to boot.

 

[Steelworth]

WR screens are not a good call at the 2-yard line for the simple reason basically every defender is standing within 5' of the line of scrimmage. Too many defenders to block.

WR screens elsewhere on the field also suck, but that's another discussion.

When we regular fans understand that concept but seems lost on a professional NFL coaching staff, there's something radically wrong. And the formations I've seen at the line on these abysmal 2-point attempts, may as well just tell the other team what you're about to try to do.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

That 2 yd line screen was run a couple 3 weeks ago agianst someone else.. It was a bitt different and it worked...

I specifically remember Chukes sprinting out right on a kick out block for a score.. or 2 pt.

 

[Steelworth]

And I don’t like Belichek BTW.

I don't even think Belichick likes Belichick. I don't know if I've ever seen the guy smile.

How many things like this over the years are tolerated is beyond comprehension.

It's unreal. And the lack of discipline & preparedness is stunning.

But the coaches don't tackle, the coaches don't sustain blocks. I understand Tomlin didn't want to throw his assistants under the bus, but one could simply say "we need to be more prepared as coaches and have these guys ready - and that's on me". We'll likely see an asteroid hitting earth before we ever hear anything like that from Cool Shades.