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We All Know Tomlin Won't Get Fired -- How About This...?

The obvious call st OC was Adam gase… he’s a great coordinator that proved again just because you’re a good coordinator don’t make you a great head coach… but he can coach up a good solid running game, he put 200 up on us, and has coached up older qbs like cutler and Manning to super bowls.. he was h right choice Canada is just a journeyman an unproven journeyman’s does he has looked it… but the Canada and even the randy fuknutz thing shows something deeper… no accountability on tomlin’s part . No desperation to win you can just keep screwing up and you keep your job. It’s like the Democrats are running the team! This is Pittsburgh we hold certain truths to be self evident you out block and out tackle your opponent you stop the run force him to pass where you pick off the ball creating a turnover. On offense you out block you run and pass and no matter what don’t turn it over! It shouldn’t take much to get that squared away but tomlin never has! it’s always something! Brady threw like 25 times in row against us they wouldn’t change defense. Now we can’t can stop the run! most of this is because we don’t own the line of scrimmage.. that where it starts and tomlin don’t seem to get it. We need proven coordinators or Tomlin should go…
 
MT~Forged said:
I have taken a bit more time to think about this. As HC, in this very situation, I would have done the same thing.
1. This team is not a playoff team trying to maintain their Division lead, so failure really means nothing at this point.
2. They had the Vikings on the ropes at that point in the game, and that could very well have been one of the final blows on the way to a knockout.

In a different situation, I may very well have played it differently, but not in this one. last week in the Ravens game is a prime example, I would have kicked it and gone into OT, instead of trying to finish it right there.
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Well, there you go -- another foolish head coach who went for 2 when he shouldn't have, and cost his team a chance in overtime. Harbaugh. So stupid. Second time in as many weeks he's ****** his own team.

I guess when I said that 99% of head coaches know what the right thing to do is in situations like that, I was wrong.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
And if he wants to get in the HOF he should retire before his record gets any worse.
Yeah he got to 150 wins faster than anyone but Marty Schottenheimer is the only coach with 200 wins who is NOT in the HOF because of his poor playoff record.
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I agree, but Tomlin's playoff record getting worse is going to be the least of his worries. When that never-had-a-losing-season catchphrase goes away, and it most certainly will, things are going to start going downhill fast.
 
How many years do we keep saying the OC stinks? There are 2 constants Ben and Tomlin. Ben has shown over time what he can do. Of course he has had some terrible games and he is not what he used to be, but I think he is only a minor part of the problem. So that leads me to Tomlin. Tomlin hamstrings this team both offensively and defensively. I don't think it matters who we bring in if Tomlin keeps interfering.
 
IMO - if we replace Tomlin, I'd give Joe Lombardi a few interviews.

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Lombardi, a 15-year NFL coaching veteran, joins Los Angeles after spending the last five seasons as the quarterbacks coach in New Orleans. He has coached four players to be selected to 12 Pro Bowls. Lombardi has been one of the premier quarterbacks gurus in the NFL, coaching the position for 10 seasons over two stints with the Saints (2007-13 and 2016-20). In New Orleans, he showcased his versatility, helping Drew Brees solidify his legacy as one of the greatest quarterbacks in history, while also overseeing the development of Taysom Hill and Teddy Bridgewater. Under Lombardi, Brees completed 69.9 percent of his passes for 44,278 yards and 338 touchdowns with 116 interceptions — good for a 104.6 passer rating — and was an all-star in nine of their 10 years together.

Between his stints with the Saints, Lombardi was the offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions. In 2014 with Detroit, the offense featured Hall of Fame Finalist Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate as the first pair of Lions teammates since 2006 to each reach 1,000 receiving yards in a season. Johnson, Tate and quarterback Matthew Stafford were each selected to the Pro Bowl. Lombardi broke into the NFL as a defensive assistant for the Falcons in 2006 before joining the Saints as an offensive assistant from 2007-08. He served as offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach at Mercyhurst (2002-05) after coaching in various roles for the N.Y./N.J. Hitmen of the XFL (2001), Bucknell (2000), Virginia Military Institute (1999) and Dayton (1996-98).
 
fedderone said:
I'm in the minority, but I believe you find the right parts ( players ) for the system, not try to build something with parts you're handed.
Now, in this particular instance, since we're not starting from scratch, then YES, I 100% agree with you. Canada should absolutely tailor this to Ben's strengths.

Are we the Browns now? We judge someone by less than a year of evidence? That's lunacy.
I understand we're in the zero patience, faster faster faster, now now now, I refuse to wait society, but that stance never works out in sports.

Really? Just start firing coaches and waiving players midyear because we deem they suck?
Sure glad your philosophy wasn't embraced when Polamalu was a rookie, or James Harrison was getting cut by us and other teams.

Again, not saying Canada is good/bad at the NFL level. I don't have enough evidence to make an assessment.
I'm also not sure how much the Steelers and/or any team let the OC make draft picks. Pretty sure he can give his 2 cents, but he's not going to be one of the 4 biggest voices in the room.
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You name Polomalu as an example of needing to have patience, patience with a rookie player and patience with a coach are two different things.

We are at the absolute bottom of the league in multiple categories, last week the defense gifted them 4 turnovers and they got a total of one 1st down and 0 touchdowns off them, Canada is especially bad and doesn't deserve another year.

If Canada doesn't get input on who we draft as the next hopeful franchise QB he will be the #1 influence on his development and has done nothing as a coach here (remember he was also the QB coach under Fitchner's garbage offense too) to try to develop a new franchise QB
 
Canada will be in lock step with cool shades and bring in a vet to compete with Mason next year...I’m guessing something along the lines of a Jacoby Brissett
 
Avoid_Lloyd said:
You name Polomalu as an example of needing to have patience, patience with a rookie player and patience with a coach are two different things.

We are at the absolute bottom of the league in multiple categories, last week the defense gifted them 4 turnovers and they got a total of one 1st down and 0 touchdowns off them, Canada is especially bad and doesn't deserve another year.

If Canada doesn't get input on who we draft as the next hopeful franchise QB he will be the #1 influence on his development and has done nothing as a coach here (remember he was also the QB coach under Fitchner's garbage offense too) to try to develop a new franchise QB
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Would we have our one for the thumb if the Rooney's have patience with Cowher?
I can't disagree with anything you say above.
BUT there are built in excuses, right or wrong/fact or fiction/rational or emotional, for why something is failing.
Is it Canada? Is it the players? Is it Tomlin meddling? Is it a completely new system?
I honestly don't know and I don't think less than a year is ample time to make an intelligent judgment.
Leave that type of knee jerk, emotional, lack of pragmatic decision making to the Browns/Cowboys/Redskins/Raiders of the world.
You know the Browns and Cowboys. The teams that jettisoned Belichick and Johnson and then wallowed in misery for decades.

Now, we've seen ALL we've needed to see of Tomlin.
It is safe, rational, and intelligent to say he is not the answer and needs to go yesterday.
There is more than enough evidence to support this.
 
fedderone said:
Would we have our one for the thumb if the Rooney's have patience with Cowher?
I can't disagree with anything you say above.
BUT there are built in excuses, right or wrong/fact or fiction/rational or emotional, for why something is failing.
Is it Canada? Is it the players? Is it Tomlin meddling? Is it a completely new system?
I honestly don't know and I don't think less than a year is ample time to make an intelligent judgment.
Leave that type of knee jerk, emotional, lack of pragmatic decision making to the Browns/Cowboys/Redskins/Raiders of the world.
You know the Browns and Cowboys. The teams that jettisoned Belichick and Johnson and then wallowed in misery for decades.

Now, we've seen ALL we've needed to see of Tomlin.
It is safe, rational, and intelligent to say he is not the answer and needs to go yesterday.
There is more than enough evidence to support this.
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I 100% agree with you on Tomlin, unfortunately we all know he's going nowhere and that's wrong but it is what it is.

Your comparison to Cowher is a huge stretch, he was going to the playoffs every year early on his career and took a long time to win the super bowl. Canada has taken a below average offense last year to now one of the worst offenses in football. They are getting worse, not better as the year goes along. Time to go Canada and in my dreams Tomlin
 
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Avoid_Lloyd said:
Canada has taken a below average offense last year to now one of the worst offenses in football. They are getting worse, not better as the year goes along. Time to go Canada and in my dreams Tomlin
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I don’t think Canada has been good or was the best available candidate this offseason. It’s just tough to get a full evaluation in Canada because the offensive line is worse than last year and it limits the offense as a whole. Factor in they are in a position where McCloud gets too much playing time and there isn’t much to work with.
 
Whose fault is it the line is worse.he doesn't run the right plays to minimize the lines weaknesses and maximize their limited strengths. mark Shlereth said it is almost impossible to traditionally pass block 30or40times a game like the Steelers do. He said the better offensive teams use the ROO the majority of passing plays to allow the Linemen to fire off the ball instead of being attacked by the Dlinemen. Plus the threat of the run in an RPO slows down the pass rush.
 
We ALL saw the same thing yesterday. Where we currently are as a franchise is beyond inexcusable and if any of you had doubts previously, it should now be painfully obvious that Tomlin is an incompetent fraud that is working the system. Listening to these post-game press briefs where he tries to act all billy-badass like he has the answers is just laughable! This guy was NEVER worthy of replacing Cowher and if he hadn’t inherited Cowher’s team, to include a HOF QB, all this “top 5 coach” **** would never have been a thing. He is totally lost and does not possess the intelligence to provide a better path forward. We’ve had this evidence for YEARS as he looked totally clueless on the sidelines as Belichick and Brady owned our ***** annually. Or, how on an annual basis, we would lose to some of the worst teams in the league. Or how one and done in the playoffs has become the norm (assuming we make the playoffs at all)! If a coach has no strategy and is unable to lead, he’s absolutely worthless!

I don’t care how much cap space we have, how great our draft picks are, or whether we acquire a veteran QB. While under Tomlin’s leadership (or lack thereof), this team will go absolutely nowhere. I believe deep down even Tomlin knows this. He knows that he’s not required to deliver and is ok with working the system because he knows that he can. At this point, it’s difficult to differentiate between him and the average deadbeat who plays the system in order to acquire their monthly welfare check. If Rooney cared about the legacy of this franchise, he’d cut off that welfare check immediately.
 
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So ******* sick of hearing the Tomlin bashing. He isn't leaving and it isn't a race thing. Lets talk about things that might happen not something we know won't happen.
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Yes, lets concentrate on what might happen. Will Canada be back??? Will Butler be back???
 
Two things.......

1) As distasteful as many might find it, Tomlin isn't going anywhere. I think that's a travesty, but as a fan all I can do watch the games and ***** like everyone else.

2) You're a poopy head.
 
steelhurt said:
Yes, lets concentrate on what might happen. Will Canada be back??? Will Butler be back???
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That's the thing! If Tomlin stays, it doesn't matter what else happens. Everything he touches turns to ****. The guy had arguably the best team in the AFC several years back (Killer Bs) and he couldn't do jack **** with it. HELL, he couldn't even keep that team from imploding! Yet we're supposed to believe that he is the answer for turning complete **** into a contender? Umm .. NO!
 
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I would trade Tomlin and Bush for Carr and Renfro
 
Skott said:
I would trade Tomlin and Bush for Carr and Renfro
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Carr is a QB who will get you 8-9 wins. He's only finished above .500 once in his career and is as inconsistent of a QB that you'll see. I put him in the same category as Cousins. Puts up good stats, doesn't win enough games.
 
Jack N. Gold said:
That's the thing! If Tomlin stays, it doesn't matter what else happens. Everything he touches turns to ****. The guy had arguable the best team in the AFC several years back (Killer Bs) and he couldn't do jack **** with it. HELL, he couldn't even keep that team from imploding! Yet we're supposed to believe that he is the answer for turning complete **** into a contender? Umm .. NO!
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Actually I think Tomlin deserves credit for keeping those teams as competitive as they were with those 2 idiots. I think just about anyplace else they destroy a team a lot quicker.
 
This is todays world… reward for mediocrity
 
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