We All Know Tomlin Won't Get Fired -- How About This...?

[MT~Forged]

Yes, and my "opinion" is most likely shared by about 99% of the pro and FBS college coaches out there, while the way you think is shared by...Mike Tomlin.

You keep complaining about the defense giving up another score -- why is this a surprise in a game where the Steelers gave up 300 yards of offense in the first half? If the Steelers miss that second conversion, then they're down by TEN at the end. In your scenario, they had to make two out of three 2-point conversions just to have a chance to tie. Not good odds.

I have taken a bit more time to think about this. As HC, in this very situation, I would have done the same thing.
1. This team is not a playoff team trying to maintain their Division lead, so failure really means nothing at this point.
2. They had the Vikings on the ropes at that point in the game, and that could very well have been one of the final blows on the way to a knockout.

In a different situation, I may very well have played it differently, but not in this one. last week in the Ravens game is a prime example, I would have kicked it and gone into OT, instead of trying to finish it right there.

 

[Lunar]

Hire Byron Leftwich

 

[swal75]

The only way we ever get rid of Tomlin is if he decides to take a College job. Like Saban retires and he goes to Alabama. Or if he wants some contract level that the Rooneys won't give out(say 10 years) and we trade him for a draft pick. Otherwise we're talking health and/or family health as the only thing that is an out.

 

[Steel Reign]

Canada can't call plays to save his life. He has zero situational awareness. You can tell he doesn't game plan based on opposition. He is absolutely terrible at adjustments. This team generally fails until it gets so far behind that he basically has to let the offense run itself.

Butler/Tomlin: I am not sure they game plan to the other team either and if they do, they do a piss poor job. They apparently also believe adjustments cannot be made until half time at the earliest.

Tomlin: Not sure I have ever seen a coach less involved in a game that he is. He is no leader to the coaching staff or the players. This is a coach with no control of his team. It also looks like he doesn't draw as much respect as news outlets would suggest. The Cowher players didn't need his guidance. It had been slowly going downhill as the transition to Tomlin's players occurred. Now it is a damn train wreck.

All three of these coaches should be gone. At a minimum, whether you love or hate one, more or all of these coaches, all parties involved need a fresh start.

 

[F83]

why was Butler not raising hell with the DL and LB over those 10-yard holes that opened up if he is just the LB coach and a fall guy and is canned you got to bring in a passionate aggressive DC who will get in players faces when they **** up, as much as I hate Rex Ryan he is the type of DC this org needs hold players accountable, scared to mess up and with so much young guys and a trend that they will be younger if ben Haden are gone you need a strong personality in the locker room to develop and push guys to play their best if they want Reps.

 

[madinsomniac]

Tomlin will get sort of fired the second it is pc savvy to do so… after another flame out or two, a few fan protests and national media turning on him will greatly dampen his stock… he will “Retire” then catch on elsewhere

 

[madinsomniac]

why was Butler not raising hell with the DL and LB over those 10-yard holes that opened up if he is just the LB coach and a fall guy and is canned you got to bring in a passionate aggressive DC who will get in players faces when they **** up, as much as I hate Rex Ryan he is the type of DC this org needs hold players accountable, scared to mess up and with so much young guys and a trend that they will be younger if ben Haden are gone you need a strong personality in the locker room to develop and push guys to play their best if they want Reps.

To paraphrase what Dulac said yesterday in the PG.. the defense is Tomlins and he isn’t looking for a DC to run the D

 

[Drink IRON City]

Has it been less pronounced in the past? Because it was blatantly noticeable last night.

Foster use to be the slapper...................as prominent as ever.

Anyone think maybe the Viqueens were piping in music / fan noise ?





Salute the nation

 

[Drink IRON City]

At the end of the first half, Ben would have gone off on Canada if he were on the sidelines when he came off the field. Instead, he said something to Tomlin. My guess is he told Tomlin that he is calling the plays the rest of the way. They, once again, didn't even try to score there in the hurry up when they were down 23-0.

Unfortunately, Tomlin isn't going anywhere for years so we can ***** all we want but the best we can hope for is he fires the assistants, hires new assistants that can actually do the job, and he stays the **** out of it and lets them do their jobs. He absolutely runs the D. Anyone who thinks otherwise really has no clue what has been going on with the Steelers since LeBeau left. Tomlin wanted LeBeau out so he could implement his own D.

Oh,.......... and isn't this implementation of his "D" the best ever..................... His "D" was only relevant when he had 10 first rounders playing on it at the same time.

Injuries are part of the game, these are his players and every team has injuries yet I don't see 210+ rushers in the rest of the league combined that I see here against Coach Tomlin's "D".




Salute the natio

 

[Gildong Sack]

Canada can't call plays to save his life. He has zero situational awareness. You can tell he doesn't game plan based on opposition. He is absolutely terrible at adjustments. This team generally fails until it gets so far behind that he basically has to let the offense run itself.

Butler/Tomlin: I am not sure they game plan to the other team either and if they do, they do a piss poor job. They apparently also believe adjustments cannot be made until half time at the earliest.

Tomlin: Not sure I have ever seen a coach less involved in a game that he is. He is no leader to the coaching staff or the players. This is a coach with no control of his team. It also looks like he doesn't draw as much respect as news outlets would suggest. The Cowher players didn't need his guidance. It had been slowly going downhill as the transition to Tomlin's players occurred. Now it is a damn train wreck.

All three of these coaches should be gone. At a minimum, whether you love or hate one, more or all of these coaches, all parties involved need a fresh start.

You're just like Wig completely wrong. Wig kept harping to me on Ben in the no huddle every time they scored to try to prove Canada sucks and Ben should call the plays. While I told him that Ben was NOT calling the plays. And I knew this because I could see Ben looking down listening to the call. They were calling several RPOs at a time just like against the Bengals when on 3rd and 2 Ben was throwing incomplete Bombs when they weren't necessary on RPOs...only needing to get the first down. This week the same thing happened except the receivers took the ball away from the Vikings DBs.

From a Pittsburgh newspaper story published today... I won't mention the name:
"And he did it by making decisions on RPO calls from offensive coordinator Matt Canada that resulted in any number of 30-plus-yard pass plays to his receivers, including a 30-yard touchdown to James Washington."

I said this during the Bengals game and got flamed for it. I said they were RPOs and the reason for so many failed drives was on Ben. That's all.

Canada's offense needs a mobile QB. Ben or Mason are not a good fit.

 

[fedderone]

Matt Canada has gotta go! Dude is ******* terrible....you can see the difference when Ben is calling the plays vs Ben in the No Huddle.

See, I don't think it's clear cut.
When Ben's in the no huddle, he's still running Canada's offense, yeah?
He's not doing the streetball QB thing drawing up plays on his hand or using sticks and bottle caps.
We also know from previous statements this isn't the FULL Canada because he's catered it to Ben and the FULL Canada is QB under center 99% of the time.....which Ben is allergic to.
I'm not saying Canada is good/bad. I'm saying we really don't know and can sit here and speculate all we want.
When we win/look good it was ALL Ben, and when we lose/look bad it's ALL Canada. It's not that simple.
I just don't think it's fair to judge a guy's offense in his first year when :
1) You have a 40 year old set in his ways QB given the opportunity to go out on his terms
2) You have absolutely NO semblance of an offensive line blocking for your aging QB or your shiny new toy stud RB
3) Mike Tomlin more than likely giving his 2 cents and "tweaking" some calls

I'm just patient and willing to give someone more than 3/4 of a season before wanting to throw him out.
Same with Pressley Harvin.
I know he's been SUPER inconsistent and has had some REAL turds.
But punters and kickers and notoriously late bloomers in the NFL.

 

[Punxsutawney]

He will be here at least until his current contract runs out, two years I think.

The problem is they always extend Tomlin in advance, despite him not really deserving it in recent years.

Five years now since a playoff win.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

The standard has obviously been set

This season’s version ***** the bed til garbage time and
The Cool Shade Steelers **** the bed repeatedly down the stretch and almost always when a HOF QB talent drags a coat tail rider into the playoffs

At this point I know he’ll never leave willingly, or even be accountable...why would he when he gets paid well and ownership/upper management won’t have the balls to fire him or even put the slightest bit of pressure on him? Dream job

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

See, I don't think it's clear cut.
When Ben's in the no huddle, he's still running Canada's offense, yeah?
He's not doing the streetball QB thing drawing up plays on his hand or using sticks and bottle caps.
We also know from previous statements this isn't the FULL Canada because he's catered it to Ben and the FULL Canada is QB under center 99% of the time.....which Ben is allergic to.
I'm not saying Canada is good/bad. I'm saying we really don't know and can sit here and speculate all we want.
When we win/look good it was ALL Ben, and when we lose/look bad it's ALL Canada. It's not that simple.
I just don't think it's fair to judge a guy's offense in his first year when :
1) You have a 40 year old set in his ways QB given the opportunity to go out on his terms
2) You have absolutely NO semblance of an offensive line blocking for your aging QB or your shiny new toy stud RB
3) Mike Tomlin more than likely giving his 2 cents and "tweaking" some calls

I'm just patient and willing to give someone more than 3/4 of a season before wanting to throw him out.
Same with Pressley Harvin.
I know he's been SUPER inconsistent and has had some REAL turds.
But punters and kickers and notoriously late bloomers in the NFL.

If you're saying Canada is limited by what Ben can do wouldnt you agree tho that he should be better at constructing an offensive to do that? He shouldn't have taken the job of he wasn't capable of doing that.

It doesn't seem likely, but what if Ben is back next year? Give Canada another mulligan year? Mason Rudolph is not a mobile QB either and never took snaps under center at Oklahoma State.

Most NFL teams operate on merit and performance, Canada deserves a pink slip based on this year, he does not deserve the right to draft a QB with a premium pick and try to develop that player, if he does get ready for Baker Mayfield 2.0 or worse

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The problem is they always extend Tomlin in advance, despite him not really deserving it in recent years.

Five years now since a playoff win.

Longest stretch without a playoff win since Chuck Noll was hired in 1969. Even Noll's 80's bad teams didn't do that.
I'm thinking with Ben riding off into the sunset soon that Shades may tell the team not to bother with another extension and he'll move on to TV which is good money for less work and his big words will be more appreciated.

 

[MeanJim]

The only way we ever get rid of Tomlin is if he decides to take a College job. Like Saban retires and he goes to Alabama. Or if he wants some contract level that the Rooneys won't give out(say 10 years) and we trade him for a draft pick. Otherwise we're talking health and/or family health as the only thing that is an out.

Now that gets me excited for the future! Saban gets another ring, retires. Alabama gets suckered into hiring Tomlin. Steelers get rid of him, and Bama starts losing to Vanderbilt every other year!

 

[fogdoctor]

I'm just rooting for Ben stat padding. Don't care about wins and losses anymore because it does not matter. This team is constructed to be middling.

 

[Steel Reign]

You're just like Wig completely wrong. Wig kept harping to me on Ben in the no huddle every time they scored to try to prove Canada sucks and Ben should call the plays. While I told him that Ben was NOT calling the plays. And I knew this because I could see Ben looking down listening to the call. They were calling several RPOs at a time just like against the Bengals when on 3rd and 2 Ben was throwing incomplete Bombs when they weren't necessary on RPOs...only needing to get the first down. This week the same thing happened except the receivers took the ball away from the Vikings DBs.

From a Pittsburgh newspaper story published today... I won't mention the name:
"And he did it by making decisions on RPO calls from offensive coordinator Matt Canada that resulted in any number of 30-plus-yard pass plays to his receivers, including a 30-yard touchdown to James Washington."

I said this during the Bengals game and got flamed for it. I said they were RPOs and the reason for so many failed drives was on Ben. That's all.

Canada's offense needs a mobile QB. Ben or Mason are not a good fit.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I am not here to win internet fights. So I am not going to tell you that you are wrong, just going to tell you I respectfully disagree. I would ask you this query. Why is the offense so substantially different in the first half and, sometimes, in the second half, until the rubber meets the road and there is no choice but to change things? Let's assume Canada deserves all the credit for when that moment happens. Doesn't he equally deserve credit then for everything that proceeds it? If he deserves credit for both he is still not an NFL level coach because he doesn't make adjustments timely and has a propensity to start and go through the majority of every game with a terrible game plan that just never works. Also, maybe he needs a mobile QB and then all would be glory. But again, he would not be an NFL level coach if he could not change his offense to suit his players. Hell, in Baltimore they changed everything for Lamar. In Tampa they switched for Brady. Coaches can't just say "F it" if they don't have the QB type they want.

 

[Omar10213245]

Longest stretch without a playoff win since Chuck Noll was hired in 1969. Even Noll's 80's bad teams didn't do that.
I'm thinking with Ben riding off into the sunset soon that Shades may tell the team not to bother with another extension and he'll move on to TV which is good money for less work and his big words will be more appreciated.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Now that gets me excited for the future! Saban gets another ring, retires. Alabama gets suckered into hiring Tomlin. Steelers get rid of him, and Bama starts losing to Vanderbilt every other year!

I'm sure Bermuda is all on board with this plan. He loves Tomlin.

 

[fedderone]

If you're saying Canada is limited by what Ben can do wouldnt you agree tho that he should be better at constructing an offensive to do that? He shouldn't have taken the job of he wasn't capable of doing that.

It doesn't seem likely, but what if Ben is back next year? Give Canada another mulligan year? Mason Rudolph is not a mobile QB either and never took snaps under center at Oklahoma State.

Most NFL teams operate on merit and performance, Canada deserves a pink slip based on this year, he does not deserve the right to draft a QB with a premium pick and try to develop that player, if he does get ready for Baker Mayfield 2.0 or worse

I'm in the minority, but I believe you find the right parts ( players ) for the system, not try to build something with parts you're handed.
Now, in this particular instance, since we're not starting from scratch, then YES, I 100% agree with you. Canada should absolutely tailor this to Ben's strengths.

Are we the Browns now? We judge someone by less than a year of evidence? That's lunacy.
I understand we're in the zero patience, faster faster faster, now now now, I refuse to wait society, but that stance never works out in sports.

Really? Just start firing coaches and waiving players midyear because we deem they suck?
Sure glad your philosophy wasn't embraced when Polamalu was a rookie, or James Harrison was getting cut by us and other teams.

Again, not saying Canada is good/bad at the NFL level. I don't have enough evidence to make an assessment.
I'm also not sure how much the Steelers and/or any team let the OC make draft picks. Pretty sure he can give his 2 cents, but he's not going to be one of the 4 biggest voices in the room.

 

[topseed]

Longest stretch without a playoff win since Chuck Noll was hired in 1969. Even Noll's 80's bad teams didn't do that.
I'm thinking with Ben riding off into the sunset soon that Shades may tell the team not to bother with another extension and he'll move on to TV which is good money for less work and his big words will be more appreciated.

For the first time, Tomlin looks tired to me. I mean, he can hang on and basically sleepwalk through the remainder of his extension while collecting more millions, but I honestly think if the team goes off the deep end this season, like it has in two out of the last three games, he may decide to pack it in and head for the NFL Network or Fox. He's still a media darling for the most part. If he finishes poorly this year, he'll still get a pass. However, if the next two seasons go to **** too, his legacy is going to become tarnished pretty quickly. Without a good replacement for Ben, it's a real possibility. Does he really want that?

 

[topseed]

I have taken a bit more time to think about this. As HC, in this very situation, I would have done the same thing.
1. This team is not a playoff team trying to maintain their Division lead, so failure really means nothing at this point.
2. They had the Vikings on the ropes at that point in the game, and that could very well have been one of the final blows on the way to a knockout.

In a different situation, I may very well have played it differently, but not in this one. last week in the Ravens game is a prime example, I would have kicked it and gone into OT, instead of trying to finish it right there.

To me, you put more pressure on the Vikings there if you make it an 8-point game. Then their ******** start to tighten up quite a bit, realizing that their 29-point lead can dissolve into a tie with one mistake and a 2-point conversion by the Steelers. Missing there and making it a 9-point game left Minnesota ahead by two scores and took them right off of those ropes.

I do appreciate you explaining your thinking. A good, civil discussion.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

For the first time, Tomlin looks tired to me. I mean, he can hang on and basically sleepwalk through the remainder of his extension while collecting more millions, but I honestly think if the team goes off the deep end this season, like it has in two out of the last three games, he may decide to pack it in and head for the NFL Network or Fox. He's still a media darling for the most part. If he finishes poorly this year, he'll still get a pass. However, if the next two seasons go to **** too, his legacy is going to become tarnished pretty quickly. Without a good replacement for Ben, it's a real possibility. Does he really want that?

And if he wants to get in the HOF he should retire before his record gets any worse.
Yeah he got to 150 wins faster than anyone but Marty Schottenheimer is the only coach with 200 wins who is NOT in the HOF because of his poor playoff record.

 

[wig]

That 2 yd line screen was run a couple 3 weeks ago agianst someone else.. It was a bitt different and it worked...

I specifically remember Chukes sprinting out right on a kick out block for a score.. or 2 pt.

On a 2 point conversion? I don't remember that.