We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

[antdrewjosh]

Archer is the third RB..he is going to get a hat. It was Brown vs Bryant.

 

[deljzc]

Archer is the third RB..he is going to get a hat. It was Brown vs Bryant.

You've said yourself both can be active.

My point of Archer is the coaches tried hard to find ways to justify him being active despite very few snaps and very few return opportunities. If they wanted to, they could have done the same for Bryant.

I question the coaching staff on thinking Archer is more important to this offense and team than Bryant and have since the first week of the season.

 

[nooneuno]

It seems pretty simple to me, they thought Brown was more ready at the start of the season and then you throw in Bryant being hurt that didn't help. Brown was struggling to make an impact they gave Bryant his shot and he's taken it.

Could they have given him that opportunity sooner? Sure but that's hindsight, it's not like he played all world in the preseason. Just be glad he is in there now.

I fail to see what Archer has to do with this, there would of been no point in them dressing 6 WR. It was Bryant vs Brown/Heyward-Bey, not Bryant vs Archer.

 

[Acereros]

But wait, I thought this team had no talent. I thought Tomlin's drafts and acquisitions were all garbage. In fact, isn't every bad thing that happens to this team ENTIRELY his fault? If someone gets mugged in the parking lot, isn't that Tomlin's fault because "he's the coach"?

The man is humiliating you and the rest of the traitors. Eat your crow, suck on your humble pie, and accept that your traitorous *** has been exposed for the fake fan that you are.

GO STEELERS! (capitalized for the traitor *** *******)

And you're just making a fool of your self. Who were the best Steelers players on Sunday?

 

[diver]

Was Bryant really still hurt in week 4 vs. Tampa Bay? What did Archer do? We were bottom 5 in points per red zone possession and no one in the coaching staff thought "Hey, maybe activating Bryant instead of Archer could help us there..."

No, that couldn't possibly have happened.

Again, I just doubt the coaching speak that everything they did was perfect and the reason Bryant is so "ready" now and doing well. I call bullshit. Bryant should have started getting red zone snaps immediately in this offense. He should have had a hat unless the injury report said "doubtful" or "out". Especially when we didn't have Moore.

I'm just glad he's finally in there. I'm glad he's gaining confidence in his ability. And hopefully he's not a head case like Sweed and uses his talent to become a professional athlete. We will see if he can keep it up.

I think sometimes people look to hard to find a conspiracy.

Maybe Archer approached the game more maturely, and Bryant simply had to develop a little more of that. That is as believable to me as your scenario, probably moreso. What if they put Bryant in too early, when he wasn't ready, and he had some failure? A lot of playing sports is mental. Seems to me they waited until exactly thew right time. Now you have a guy who has had positive experiences. Bryant did not look at all like this in the preseason, don't forget.

I have often thought about Limas Sweed in this regard. If he would have just been able to catch one or two of those ones he dropped, would have it turned out differently? Once you realize you can do something, that is big.

 

[Idioteque]

I think sometimes people look to hard to find a conspiracy.

Maybe Archer approached the game more maturely, and Bryant simply had to develop a little more of that. That is as believable to me as your scenario, probably moreso. What if they put Bryant in too early, when he wasn't ready, and he had some failure? A lot of playing sports is mental. Seems to me they waited until exactly thew right time. Now you have a guy who has had positive experiences. Bryant did not look at all like this in the preseason, don't forget.

That would mean two weeks made the difference between a guy unable to contribute and the dynamic guy we see today. I don't think it's a conspiracy so much as a slight failure in evaluation. Archer has contributed nothing except being yanked off KR; I can't imagine Bryant being less ready than him. Especially since he was fantastic in his debut just two weeks later.

I have often thought about Limas Sweed in this regard. If he would have just been able to catch one or two of those ones he dropped, would have it turned out differently? Once you realize you can do something, that is big.

I've wondered the same thing. Sweed got open plenty as a Steeler, after all.

 

[topseed]

Hard to put someone on the field when they are injured. They were considering putting him on the injured return list. Four weeks injured, two weeks getting caught up, there's your six weeks.

Actually, Bryant began to practice in full on September 9th. It only took Tomlin five weeks. I stand corrected.

From Rotoworld on September 18th:

"Steelers WR Martavis Bryant (shoulder) is practicing in full for Week 3. Bryant also practiced in full for Week 2, but was scratched against the Ravens."


Just make up anything you want. Guys like FAB802 will believe you.

 

[topseed]

and not to be confused with the assumption that Bryant would have performed just as well weeks ago and/or has learned nothing over the first few weeks of the season.

Yes, I'm willing to assume that Bryant would have performed just as well or better than Justin Brown did.

 

[diver]

That would mean two weeks made the difference between a guy unable to contribute and the dynamic guy we see today. I don't think it's a conspiracy so much as a slight failure in evaluation. Archer has contributed nothing except being yanked off KR; I can't imagine Bryant being less ready than him. Especially since he was fantastic in his debut just two weeks later.



I've wondered the same thing. Sweed got open plenty as a Steeler, after all.

I understand what you are saying, but you may be looking at it more physically then mentally. I agree with you if you mean physically. I didn't understand Archer in May, and he makes less sense now. How Bryant couldn't be more ready physically is hard to understand.

The mental aspect could be the issue. Sometimes it takes guys a little to realize how to work. How to be a professional. Who knows?

 

[Zack_of_Steel]

Actually, Bryant began to practice in full on September 9th. It only took Tomlin five weeks. I stand corrected.

From Rotoworld on September 18th:

"Steelers WR Martavis Bryant (shoulder) is practicing in full for Week 3. Bryant also practiced in full for Week 2, but was scratched against the Ravens."


Just make up anything you want. Guys like FAB802 will believe you.

I said the same thing earlier.

Matt Spaeth had like, 3 redzone TDs as a rookie to start the season, IIRC. Why couldn't Martavis have done the same as soon as he was healthy? He caught 5 as soon as he was activated.

According to this, Martavis practiced in full starting in Week 2, but was inactive. In Week 5 he was inactive due to illness, but he was still inactive for Week 6 and debuted in Week 7.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/9416/martavis-bryant

They chose not to dress him starting Week 2.

 

[FAB802]

Actually, Bryant began to practice in full on September 9th. It only took Tomlin five weeks. I stand corrected.

From Rotoworld on September 18th:

"Steelers WR Martavis Bryant (shoulder) is practicing in full for Week 3. Bryant also practiced in full for Week 2, but was scratched against the Ravens."


Just make up anything you want. Guys like FAB802 will believe you.

Wow, that hurts coming from someone like yourself. Lol.

 

[ark steel]

Yes, I'm willing to assume that Bryant would have performed just as well or better than Justin Brown did.

Well, goody for you.

 

[FAB802]

No, now Tomlin is holding out better players to tank games, so we can suck and pick higher, so we can suck again at that too. The vicious cycle never ends.

 

[ark steel]

No, now Tomlin is holding out better players to tank games, so we can suck and pick higher, so we can suck again at that too. The vicious cycle never ends.

Let me give you some help: Start with the assumption that Tomlin is a dumbass ruining the team. That can be your only premise. See how the rest works out?

 

[diver]

No, now Tomlin is holding out better players to tank games, so we can suck and pick higher, so we can suck again at that too. The vicious cycle never ends.

I've coached. Only at the high school level, but I have none the less.

I have, on a few occasions, played kids who clearly did not have the talent of kids below them on the depth chart if they weren't taking things seriously or weren't preparing or what have you. Could be as simple as that with Bryant.

I have a hard time believing any coach, even Tomlin, not playing a guy who can help you win because you have an obsession with another player.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I would like to point out too the people trying to call people out as Tomlin haters and constantly implying that it's a race issue, that the Tomlin criticism went way down after the Steelers started playing up to the standard as Tomlin might say.

Doesn't that prove that the complaints were results based and not based on any personal or racial bias against Tomlin? I mean, if everyone was just hating on the black guy, then they'd still be wanting Tomlin fired.


Seems to me the only race in question is the playoff race.


BTW, most of the criticisms of Tomlin are still valid. Under him, they can draft WRs, but not much else. This turnaround is due to Bryant emerging, and the reserve DBs stepping up and the old men showing leadership that was clearly lacking.


The defense is still not very good. They just have more room for error in playing aggressively if the offense is going to score 30.

 

[antdrewjosh]

It may have been a mental thing. Archer isnt being asked to do all things Bryant had to learn. Hot routes, which routes to run against what defenses ect. Archer doesnt have to learn any of that and he played special teams. Bryant does not. It wasnt Archer vs Bryant it was Bryant vs Brown.

 

[south dakota STEEL]

Just happy we have some good coordinators...Tomlin is coming around...

 

[Wingman]

I also thought that there was an illness issue on one occasion that may have prevented him from playing in one of those weeks and kept him from preparing adequately in the following week.
Tape why would you want to ruin the claims of the racist crowd that lives by the whites hate blacks theme and can't stand to see them succeed. I have never cared what color or religion or what ever somebody was but it is amazing to me how a comment about someone's performance is always a race thing or queer thing or woman thing or what have you. Imagine how fast you could run in the race if you were not carrying the crutch.

 

[obxsteeler]

Just happy we have some good coordinators...Tomlin is coming around...

If you think a coach with a 70+ win % who is 22nd best all time for his first 7 years is just coming around you need some help.

 

[south dakota STEEL]

If you think a coach with a 70+ win % who is 22nd best all time for his first 7 years is just coming around you need some help.

Help me....just saying he has good coordinators, sparky...

Still think he was in shock at some in game stuff. Like clock management, challenges, etc....I like that things are coming together.

I forgot that his winning percentage has nothing to do with the players and other coaches. my bad. Sorry.

 

[Wingman]

Help me....just saying he has good coordinators, sparky...

Still think he was in shock at some in game stuff. Like clock management, challenges, etc....I like that things are coming together.

I forgot that his winning percentage has nothing to do with the players and other coaches. my bad. Sorry.

I think you had it nailed, he does seem to be coming around. The challenge on the Harrison Sack was a huge call on his part. There have been several of those this year and fewer WTF is he doing than I remember from years past. I'll look at his record over the last three years instead of when he started with a team one year removed from a world championship to get a fair read of his abilities. And last year it looks like things are doing better than they have been, so the arrow is finally pointing up.

Team is looking better prepared finally to play the games. Still have some things to address but the arrow is pointing up.
Draft still early but Shazier looks like a much better choice than Jones. Tuit looks like he is a player and will be a big plus. Bryant looks like a steal at this point. McCullers looks like a late round find that could be very important in the future. This might be the best draft we have had in a while.
The offense is finally on the move and in the right direction.
recovering the old guys that we did will likely be a plus for this season. Ike will be back hopefully when we need him and rested up and ready to play at the end of the season.

That is the most positive things I think I could say about a Tomlin coached team since he has been here records be damned. I hope the guy has made the turn from a switzer to a coach and a leader that can develop a team and build a winner cause if he has we can make another run or two with Ben if not we will be waiting for likely more than one decade.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Just happy we have some good coordinators...Tomlin is coming around...

Always starting something, you badass!!!!!!!

If you think a coach with a 70+ win % who is 22nd best all time for his first 7 years is just coming around you need some help.

Are we talking the same Bad *** coach who has been leaps and bounds these last 2 + seasons? You know the one who has had a good couple three games of late? Yes, I'd say he is finally coming around. Nothing against your post, but the short picture is yes, long picture has lots of variables. I'll take the latest version, with BBQ sauce.


Salute the nation

 

[Steeltime]

I would like to point out too the people trying to call people out as Tomlin haters and constantly implying that it's a race issue, that the Tomlin criticism went way down after the Steelers started playing up to the standard as Tomlin might say. Doesn't that prove that the complaints were results based and not based on any personal or racial bias against Tomlin? I mean, if everyone was just hating on the black guy, then they'd still be wanting Tomlin fired.

That's racist.

 

[ark steel]

I also thought that there was an illness issue on one occasion that may have prevented him from playing in one of those weeks and kept him from preparing adequately in the following week.

It could have been any number of reasonable, uh, reasons. In general, you would expect that the coaches who see him every day would have some sort of idea that is based upon information that people with an internet connection don't have. That would be dumb to think that, though.