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We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

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Well, in fairness to the defense, 7 points was a STs gift and another 7 was given to them with a short field after a fumbled center exchange. Even excluding the short field because turnovers are part of the game, taking the STs score out has the Steelers giving up 20 points, a good offensive football team should be able to score more than 20 consistently.

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That's true. However the defense scored 7 points off a pick in the Indy game and Worilds picked off a pass to put them on a short field in the rats game. So it looks like it evens out both ways. The defense reminds me of the Bungles defense of a few years ago when they couldn't stop anyone unless they got turnovers. They lead the league in interceptions that year I believe or were close to it. But if they got into a game where the offense didn't make mistakes they were in trouble. Palmer was lighting it up so they could play a risky defense and take chances. The Steeler defense reminds me of that and I don't think you can count on the offense having 6 TD passes by Ben every week. I think if the defense keeps allowing these many points it's going to catch up to them.
 
That's true. However the defense scored 7 points off a pick in the Indy game and Worilds picked off a pass to put them on a short field in the rats game. So it looks like it evens out both ways. The defense reminds me of the Bungles defense of a few years ago when they couldn't stop anyone unless they got turnovers. They lead the league in interceptions that year I believe or were close to it. But if they got into a game where the offense didn't make mistakes they were in trouble. Palmer was lighting it up so they could play a risky defense and take chances. The Steeler defense reminds me of that and I don't think you can count on the offense having 6 TD passes by Ben every week. I think if the defense keeps allowing these many points it's going to catch up to them.

the colts were a pretty good offense and the Ravens played pretty good as well. I understand the kick off return counts for seven but the defense did not have a chance at that one. In looking at the yets and the titans we may see some improvement vs those teams if some things have been corrected. Not saying all things just some. I like the direction the team is going. More pressure, more hits on the other teams qb, better containment usually. I really like the way the offense is going now, there seems to have been a major change in what the offense is doing as far as production. I am a firm believer that a good offense should score 28 points a game, with out getting any special deals because of the way the game is played now. Our offense has had flashes of being good and then laid an egg this season but after three games I am thinking we can expect more than 30 a game now.

The jets are supposed to have a good defensive front and questionable defensive backs sounds like last game against the gavens. I think bert is likely a better passer than what ever the jets can find on their roster. Vick is not a spring chicken any more, I do not think he will be the threat many think he will be. I think we can continue to put up points. Ben says why can't we do this every week? I say why not?
 
We certainly cannot expect the offense to score 6 TDs each week...and they won't. With this defense having 'suspect' ability to defend the pass, we will need them to score 3 until our D gets some better talent or gets better at stopping the other team's QB from looking like a superstar. This has been a problem. If Vick looks good against our D, it better be because he is scrambling and not passing to free receivers or we might have to rely more on the offense than they can muster on a weekly basis.

Like you pointed out Vader, IF the defense can play 'bend not break' defense and continue to create turnovers, great. I just don't think that's a reliable risk. We need the offense to score 3 with some FGs at least until we get some of the weaknesses addressed on the other side of he ball. In fairness, I would rather have a potent offense and a suspect defense than the other way around. We had a lot of years of that style until we were able to get a QB w a little magic to 'get it done' if we needed it and even with Ben, it still hasn't been easy. IMO
 
That's true. However the defense scored 7 points off a pick in the Indy game and Worilds picked off a pass to put them on a short field in the rats game. So it looks like it evens out both ways. The defense reminds me of the Bungles defense of a few years ago when they couldn't stop anyone unless they got turnovers. They lead the league in interceptions that year I believe or were close to it. But if they got into a game where the offense didn't make mistakes they were in trouble. Palmer was lighting it up so they could play a risky defense and take chances. The Steeler defense reminds me of that and I don't think you can count on the offense having 6 TD passes by Ben every week. I think if the defense keeps allowing these many points it's going to catch up to them.

And this is why football is probably the most team oriented team sport on the planet. When all the pieces are working together the team will win a lot of games and when they aren't fans want coaches fired, players benched and the front office dismantled. I agree with you on the high risk defense, I don't know if it reminds of the Bengals (I have trouble relating anything Steeler to Bengal), but right now they are getting turnovers and it could be masking a still very average defense. There are also signs that the defense is also beginning to gel as a unit and a couple of the younger guys are beginning to get playing time and play well when asked. I'm cautiously optimistic moving forward.

Lert's hope they don't allow Mike Vick to look like a HOFer this weekend.

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With all due respect Idioteque, we allowed Flacco 269 yards on 30-45. The main difference between our 2 meetings w these 'former clowns' was that the first time, they RAN for 157 yds and passed only as necessary for 166 yards. We also allowed 2 TDs and 4 FGs. The last game they only rushed for 63 yards and passed for 269. We allowed 2 TDs and 1 FG. That's an improvement against a common opponent. The problem IS it won't matter IF we lay an egg against a bad team afterwards.

I am just as frustrated as most of you with some of the decisions that have been made up to this point...and WE will continue to second guess them from the cheap seats AS LONG as we cannot play consistently ESPECIALLY against bad teams. We've obviously gotten better production in some areas but still look vulnerable in others. Not much can be done to improve our CB play and Will Gay IS our best CB as of now and has been all season...unfortunately we know what that means too. Blake and McCain present themselves as our best options...unless they bomb at some point and we are back at square one.

Personally, I would continue to go w the 'hot hand' at any position. We simply don't have the talent to do otherwise at some positions.

For the record I would replace Foster w Wallace as I see him as a better run blocker and equally suspect pass blocker. I would try really hard to keep Thomas off the field and make Keisel the starter with Tuitt and McCullers getting more reps and Thomas less.

I keep Williams in with Timmons at 'mack' and only bring Spence in for down and distance and 3rd down situations. Ivory is a bull-dozer and is averaging 4.6yds/carry.

I stay with Blake/McCain unless/until they break and we have to put Cortez back on the field.

I stay with our line-up on offense and keep help at the edges UNTIL we can get some points on the board which allows us to have the OPTIONS of running the ball as opposed to having to pass to keep the score up.

I would have Gradkowski 'holding' for FGs and Xtra Pts. for sure from now on out as 2 muffs is 2 more than usual and we're only half-way thru our season.

I would cut loose our 'fringe' LB in Garvin (he is only STs and hasn't done anything and is NOT likely to develop into a starter due to his size) and SIGN a kick-off ONLY kicker who can also be an emergency K for us. Losing Garvin and adding the dimension of kicking the ball so it cannot be returned would be a good trade. On the other side I would DIRECT that NO kick-offs be returned unless they fell short of the goal-line. We cannot start 80% of our returned kicks on the 14 yard line as field position is too important. I don't like our punter either because he IS too inconsistent and good for at least a 'shank' or 2 per game which WILL cost us at some point.

All I know for sure is we will all settle down and stop questioning decisions when we start beating the teams we should beat and stop playing to our competition!

Flacco threw for 303. He lost 34 yards on sacks.
 
Flacco threw for 303. He lost 34 yards on sacks.

So what is the point. Do you not want to count the negative plays that come from a tackle for loss on the run plays? How about the penalty yards that negate some good plays? Plays that likely would not have been good with out the penalty. I'm not sure I follow what you are trying to add to the discussion by stating this. This is not intended to be a smart *** comment I just do not see that your last post has any bearing on anything.
 
So what is the point. Do you not want to count the negative plays that come from a tackle for loss on the run plays? How about the penalty yards that negate some good plays? Plays that likely would not have been good with out the penalty. I'm not sure I follow what you are trying to add to the discussion by stating this. This is not intended to be a smart *** comment I just do not see that your last post has any bearing on anything.

..just explaining why I quoted 303 yards. He "grossed" 303 and netted 269. That's all.
 
..just explaining why I quoted 303 yards. He "grossed" 303 and netted 269. That's all.

Ok, I thought after looking at it there was more to it than that and I was not seeing something right in front of my face.
 
Flacco was 6-8 for 71 yards on their final "drive" at the end of the game. Doing nothing but dump offs in garbage time made his stats look a lot better than they actually were.
 
Flacco was 6-8 for 71 yards on their final "drive" at the end of the game. Doing nothing but dump offs in garbage time made his stats look a lot better than they actually were.

This. I thought it was embarrassing the Ravens ran their 2-minute offense on that last drive thinking they would gain something out of it against our prevent defense.

Very stat fluffing for Flacco I thought. But that's what I've come to expect from John Harbaugh over the years.
 
I think they may have been trying to secure one of the tie breakers but were unsuccessful in that as well.
 
I genuinely believe that the fans and their disgruntled message to the team owners and coaches are what resulted in Mike Tomlin making the necessary adjustments in personnel. Bringing in Bryant was a huge lift to the offense and McCullers has been instrumental in subbing out and wearing out the Offensive lineman and detroying the zone stretch scheme. Tomlin is still a lackluster coach. It shouldn't take fans not attending games on national TV to send the message to him and the owners that we demand action and excellence.
 
I genuinely believe that the fans and their disgruntled message to the team owners and coaches are what resulted in Mike Tomlin making the necessary adjustments in personnel. Bringing in Bryant was a huge lift to the offense and McCullers has been instrumental in subbing out and wearing out the Offensive lineman and detroying the zone stretch scheme. Tomlin is still a lackluster coach. It shouldn't take fans not attending games on national TV to send the message to him and the owners that we demand action and excellence.

So you don't think that two offensive explosions cancels out 7.5 years of incompetence? Troll.

Racist troll.
 
Or perhaps this is the reason Bryant didn't get a hat earlier?? Playing WR is more then just running catching the ball. Have to be able to read defenses too on the fly. Obviously by getting a hat the last three weeks he has gotten better. But like all rookies still has a ways to go.

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I genuinely believe that the fans and their disgruntled message to the team owners and coaches are what resulted in Mike Tomlin making the necessary adjustments in personnel. Bringing in Bryant was a huge lift to the offense and McCullers has been instrumental in subbing out and wearing out the Offensive lineman and detroying the zone stretch scheme. Tomlin is still a lackluster coach. It shouldn't take fans not attending games on national TV to send the message to him and the owners that we demand action and excellence.

Huh? McCullers has been on the field for like 15 snaps this season...
 
I genuinely believe that the fans and their disgruntled message to the team owners and coaches are what resulted in Mike Tomlin making the necessary adjustments in personnel. Bringing in Bryant was a huge lift to the offense and McCullers has been instrumental in subbing out and wearing out the Offensive lineman and detroying the zone stretch scheme. Tomlin is still a lackluster coach. It shouldn't take fans not attending games on national TV to send the message to him and the owners that we demand action and excellence.

This is truly an idiotic post.

You really believe that the Steelers FO- guys with tons of experience and also some success- are scouring message boards to hear the opinions of a bunch of keyboard warriors?!

What about McCullers, and his 11 snaps this season, suggests that he is the reason we are 'destroying' the zone scheme?!?

Hell, this is a direct quote from you 3 weeks ago-

"This team is just a bit better than the 0-6 Jaguars. I'm putting them at 3-13. I'll even go a step further and say that the Steelers will get the 3rd over-all pick and draft Winston. That's as big a **** up as I can think of in next years draft and the Steelers have a knack for ******* up in the draft lately. May as well give him the #10 Jersey while your at it and make it a Trifecta. "

Just goes to show that sometimes we as fans dont know sh*t....
 
Flacco threw for 303. He lost 34 yards on sacks.

TRUE^^ In the NFL, the sack yardage is deducted from the passing yardage...in the NCAA, it is subtractracted from rushing yardage. Nice point.

As I said a few days ago, Bryant still has to learn his 'hots'. This is pointed out in the sack breakdown on SteelersDepot. He should have known w Elam next to him at the line that IF he wasn't in coverage, that HE became the "hot" route. Still, gotta love the presence on the field but he has some things to do.
 
This is truly an idiotic post.

You really believe that the Steelers FO- guys with tons of experience and also some success- are scouring message boards to hear the opinions of a bunch of keyboard warriors?!

What about McCullers, and his 11 snaps this season, suggests that he is the reason we are 'destroying' the zone scheme?!?

Hell, this is a direct quote from you 3 weeks ago-

"This team is just a bit better than the 0-6 Jaguars. I'm putting them at 3-13. I'll even go a step further and say that the Steelers will get the 3rd over-all pick and draft Winston. That's as big a **** up as I can think of in next years draft and the Steelers have a knack for ******* up in the draft lately. May as well give him the #10 Jersey while your at it and make it a Trifecta. "

Just goes to show that sometimes we as fans dont know sh*t....

May I suggest reading Badcat's goddamned post?
 
I genuinely believe that the fans and their disgruntled message to the team owners and coaches are what resulted in Mike Tomlin making the necessary adjustments in personnel. Bringing in Bryant was a huge lift to the offense and McCullers has been instrumental in subbing out and wearing out the Offensive lineman and detroying the zone stretch scheme. Tomlin is still a lackluster coach. It shouldn't take fans not attending games on national TV to send the message to him and the owners that we demand action and excellence.

Interesting point but I suspect the logic is flawed for the following reason. I will agree that poor showing could have sent a message that fans are dissatisfied with the product but beyond that I think it does nothing and here is why. To think that prompted MT to miraculously make a bunch of correct decisions when he has been unsuccessful at making those decisions for several years makes no sense and is not supported by anything factual. I do not think he has been a good coach from his hiring up till now but has been learning on the job. This turn around maybe what he has been working for since the beginning of the season. This draft class looks better than a lot of what we have seen recently and I know it is early. The offense is working well finally scoring points instead of just yards. Mt may have finally taken a step toward being a good coach we will see based on how the rest of the season unfolds. Some of it will be due to an easy schedule some maybe due to the emergence of various players and some maybe due to bringing back some of the grand old gang.

If I am going to blame him for the decline and the ineptitude I have seen on the field it is only fair to give him credit for when I see it turned around. I am hopeful that the light has come on instead of just thinking he is firing into the dark and happened to get some hits.
 
If I am going to blame him for the decline and the ineptitude I have seen on the field it is only fair to give him credit for when I see it turned around.

are you insane?! tombert should never get any credit for anything.
that kind of stupidity is uncalled for.

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You want to tell me what I am missing?

You want to defend his ridiculous post?

The last sentence, in which he states low attendance figures (aka $$$) may be a big reason we've seen changes. He didn't say a single word about message boards or "keyboard warriors"...
 
Well with all that pushing and shoving lets see how Tomlin keeps this team motivated and ready to play Sunday against a bad Jet team and the next week against Titans. These two games could be a big factor in making the playoffs and so far Tomlin has not shown he can have a team ready against teams we should win.
 
The last sentence, in which he states low attendance figures (aka $$$) may be a big reason we've seen changes. He didn't say a single word about message boards or "keyboard warriors"...

Ok, so he may have not meant internet trolls, but his claim is still rather ridiculous:

1.) The Steeler's have had poor capacity figures (relative to the average) for the past several years- so lets not pretend as if its some type of recent message 'being sent' to the Steeler's brass.

2.) To suggest that coaches and management let the fans or attendance dictate their decisions is pretty dense. You really believe that Tomlin is less motivated to win when we have a packed house?

3.) What drastic change have the owners or Coaches made in the last 3 weeks? Thats right- not a lot. When posters like badcat were bitching about firing this person or cutting that person- Tomlin/Colbert/Haley/Lebeau stayed the course. Made minor adjustments and now we are sitting at 6-3

It's just ridiculous that posters like him, who were predicting 3-13 and calling for heads, wont man up and give credit where its due. Now these chicken littles are trying to credit themselves for this turnaround. Puhlease
 
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