We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

[Wingman]

If you even go back and read the last few pages you will see that Tomlin was given credit for some of the turn around of the team. He is also rightly so given credit for not being able to string 2 wins together and being the only win for a team that is 1 and what ever. If he is the guy for the 30 plus points of offense then he is also the guy responsible for the 10 points of offense and the loss. Tomlin has in the past demonstrated very poor coaching skills on many occasions. He has also been given credit when there was something worth giving credit to. This season has been turned around by some Cowher players from the past, his first round JJ is out we now have a pass rush. His big contract corner is on the bench and we have interceptions. His big contract lineman is back and we have sacks.

Has he been getting better? Yes, he has, but to get better than his lowest performance was not that tough to do.

 

[Hineswardkickedurpanzyass]

Pretty good analysis Wingman, Our best players on the field last night were Ben and Harrison. I will give Tomlin LOTS of credit for the gameplan last night. We kicked the Ravens *** up and down the field, and just when you thought we were done even Matt Spaeth got a TD. Thats how you coach, don't try and win by 1 or 2. ******* kill your opponent. I also give Tomlin props for keeping the guys focused when cheapshot Suggs tried to maim one of our players. We could have lost focus there, but we didn't. Our guys look hungry and we are in great shape with getting to play the Bengals twice. There isn't a guy in our locker room that will accept losing anymore.

 

[hook]

I want to see how we play against the 1-8 Jets before I let him off the hook. We tend to be overconfident against teams like that.

 

[Steelr4evr]

If we get our *** handed to us by the sorry *** Jets,we'll be back to square one.

 

[Idioteque]

You may be right. But Timmons is a starter. One who's making plays. So what does that say about your hate on Tomlin, considering he got both players (Timmons and Harrison) on the field together?

Oh wait, sorry. That would mean Tomlin did something right, which you can never acknowledge.

Nooo.. it has to do with YOUR point that Tomlin saw something magical in Harrison and molded him into a star. In actuality, he didn't want to start him at all; he drafted Timmons to start instead. When he saw immediately that that was stupid, he moved Timmons inside and reluctantly started Harrison.

 

[topseed]

Yeah, it's too bad that it took Lord Tomlin six weeks to figure out that Martavis Bryant should be on the field, and eight weeks to understand that Cortez Allen shouldn't be.

Perhaps those simple adjustments would have made a difference against Tampa Bay, a team who managed to beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh, yet remains winless against the rest of the league.

 

[Wingman]

I really want to know why the change, what brought about this change in the performance of this team. Just prior to this happening James Harrison comes back to the team, not saying he is responsible just making note of a significant event. Troy comments we need to practice better. Now I do not think those comments or changes brought about a sweeping change.

What I am wondering now is what our coaches did in all this. I am a firm believer in the premise that Tomlin was not qualified to be a head coach and that he has demonstrated so in the past. With that being said this could be a sign of his finally taking the next step and becoming a decent coach. He has still had a few moments in the games but they are becoming moments instead of the normal state of affairs. If he is in fact responsible for getting the team prepared to play finally he is at last developing into the coach we all wanted when we needed a replacement for Cowher. If he can keep this up in the face of the opposition and appears to pass the scrutiny of steelers nation he will finally have arrived in the eyes of the fans. I am hoping for this to be the case as otherwise it means we have a bad coach and will either keep him or have to start the process all over. As of right now in my mind the jury is still out on the Tomlin experiment of grabbing an inexperienced guy and making him a head coach and having him learn on the job.

 

[insaniti]

Yeah, it's too bad that it took Lord Tomlin six weeks to figure out that Martavis Bryant should be on the field, and eight weeks to understand that Cortez Allen shouldn't be.

Perhaps those simple adjustments would have made a difference against Tampa Bay, a team who managed to beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh, yet remains winless against the rest of the league.

Hard to put someone on the field when they are injured. They were considering putting him on the injured return list. Four weeks injured, two weeks getting caught up, there's your six weeks.

 

[FAB802]

Hard to put someone on the field when they are injured. They were considering putting him on the injured return list. Four weeks injured, two weeks getting caught up, there's your six weeks.

Facts are overrated...

 

[antdrewjosh]

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...elers-todd-haley-martavis-bryant-opportunity/

Straight from the horses mouth.

 

[ark steel]

Facts are overrated...

and not to be confused with the assumption that Bryant would have performed just as well weeks ago and/or has learned nothing over the first few weeks of the season.

 

[black and gold apex]

Still not giving Tomlin anything for the way we have played. lets see how he gets them ready fro the jets after the last few games. We have injuries and playing away lets not give him the keys to city yet.

 

[steelhurt]

I'm neither a Tomlin basher or a strong supporter. I think he has a lot of flaws as a head coach but I will give kudos when deserved and he has had the boys ready to play the last three games. He appeared to be more involved lately and the challenge that overturned the incomplete pass to a sack for Harrison was a huge play. That made a difference between them going for it, kicking a FG to punting which was huge.

I want to hold judgment until after the next two games where we generally have played down to the competition. We shall see!

 

[SteelerAl]

Bryant looked dreadful in the preseason and got injured in the final preseason game, but - my goodness - Tomlin should have been starting him in Week 1!

 

[SteelerAl]

Still not giving Tomlin anything for the way we have played. lets see how he gets them ready fro the jets after the last few games. We have injuries and playing away lets not give him the keys to city yet.

Funny, we heard the exact same thing after we beat the Colts. You are mentioning our injury situation now which is a bit strange because I bet if we lose to the Jets you won't accept injuries as an excuse...

 

[deljzc]

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...elers-todd-haley-martavis-bryant-opportunity/

Straight from the horses mouth.

There's a lot of coach speak in there.

No reason Bryant had to have the entire playbook down to be "trusted" to be active. Did Archer have everyone's trust on every play? I doubt it.

The truth is, the coaches mistakenly valued the "package" of Archer plays between-the-20's more than the "package" of red zone plays Bryant easily could have handled and been ready to do.

I actually blame Tomlin for that more than Haley. I think Archer has been a Tomlin obsession since the get go and Tomlin has been pushing that opinion until everyone else in the coaching room finally told him it wasn't working (and the team's season was on the line). Even if Haley BEGGED Tomlin to activate Bryant to help open up the run game in the red zone, Haley wouldn't come out in the media and say the truth.

The truth is Bryant could have been hand-held just as easily as Archer has been to see more time on the field and wasn't. The truth is the coaches hung onto and played Justin Brown more than they should (both when Lance Moore became available and when Bryant was ready to contribute). Funny how no one cares about Justin Brown anymore or wonders why he was getting 75% of snap counts when we were 2-2.

As much as I've tried to convince myself Bryant was our 3rd round pick and Archer our 4th (to make me feel better), the coaches treated both of them completely different when it came to playing time. And maybe at the expense of a potential victory.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I would say you were on to something but its not like one Archer got a hat at the expense of Bryant. They've both been dressing now that Bryant has been playing.

 

[Idioteque]

There's a lot of coach speak in there.

No reason Bryant had to have the entire playbook down to be "trusted" to be active. Did Archer have everyone's trust on every play? I doubt it.

Seriously. Rookies all over the league are trusted very, very quickly nowadays. Look at how many QUARTERBACKS are handed control of the entire franchise in Week One of their rookie years. "He needs to sit for awhile and learn the playbook" has become a very trite (and usually inaccurate) cliche. Rookies contribute immediately on every team, at every position.

Jeez, look at rookie WRs this year. Some of the rawest rookies out there have started since Week One and are lighting the league on fire. Yes, there are some guys who need more seasoning. But look at what Bryant is doing. I seriously doubt he was a ****-flinging fuckup who couldn't find his helmet - until those two magical weeks fixed him. As you pointed out, Archer was active in Week One despite having no position whatsoever.

 

[Super Dave]

There's a lot of coach speak in there.

No reason Bryant had to have the entire playbook down to be "trusted" to be active. Did Archer have everyone's trust on every play? I doubt it.

The truth is, the coaches mistakenly valued the "package" of Archer plays between-the-20's more than the "package" of red zone plays Bryant easily could have handled and been ready to do.

I actually blame Tomlin for that more than Haley. I think Archer has been a Tomlin obsession since the get go and Tomlin has been pushing that opinion until everyone else in the coaching room finally told him it wasn't working (and the team's season was on the line). Even if Haley BEGGED Tomlin to activate Bryant to help open up the run game in the red zone, Haley wouldn't come out in the media and say the truth.

The truth is Bryant could have been hand-held just as easily as Archer has been to see more time on the field and wasn't. The truth is the coaches hung onto and played Justin Brown more than they should (both when Lance Moore became available and when Bryant was ready to contribute). Funny how no one cares about Justin Brown anymore or wonders why he was getting 75% of snap counts when we were 2-2.

As much as I've tried to convince myself Bryant was our 3rd round pick and Archer our 4th (to make me feel better), the coaches treated both of them completely different when it came to playing time. And maybe at the expense of a potential victory.

I always thought that Archer was the Dexter McCluster gadget guy that Haley utilized in KC

 

[Tibs]

There's no denying Mike Tomlin is in the upper echelon of NFL head coaches. He's rallied the team after an up & down start, the team is playing excellent right now. By season's end he'll be a coach of the year candidate. All hail coach Tomlin, bow down before your master, you limp-wristed non-believers!

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

There's a lot of coach speak in there.

No reason Bryant had to have the entire playbook down to be "trusted" to be active. Did Archer have everyone's trust on every play? I doubt it.

The truth is, the coaches mistakenly valued the "package" of Archer plays between-the-20's more than the "package" of red zone plays Bryant easily could have handled and been ready to do.

I actually blame Tomlin for that more than Haley. I think Archer has been a Tomlin obsession since the get go and Tomlin has been pushing that opinion until everyone else in the coaching room finally told him it wasn't working (and the team's season was on the line). Even if Haley BEGGED Tomlin to activate Bryant to help open up the run game in the red zone, Haley wouldn't come out in the media and say the truth.

The truth is Bryant could have been hand-held just as easily as Archer has been to see more time on the field and wasn't. The truth is the coaches hung onto and played Justin Brown more than they should (both when Lance Moore became available and when Bryant was ready to contribute). Funny how no one cares about Justin Brown anymore or wonders why he was getting 75% of snap counts when we were 2-2.

As much as I've tried to convince myself Bryant was our 3rd round pick and Archer our 4th (to make me feel better), the coaches treated both of them completely different when it came to playing time. And maybe at the expense of a potential victory.

Not to cut into your argument- But wasnt Bryant also hurt earlier in the season?

So you would argue that we should have given Bryant a hat earlier:

1.) Despite a relatively disappointing preseason?
2.) Despite him being banged up?

It wasnt that they didnt trust Bryant- the coaches just trusted J.Brown more earlier on, and its really hard to fault them. He has similar measurables to Bryant, plays ST, and had a year under his belt. J.Brown didnt perform and Bryant stepped up. Simple as that

 

[antdrewjosh]

There's no denying Mike Tomlin is in the upper echelon of NFL head coaches. He's rallied the team after an up & down start, the team is playing excellent right now. By season's end he'll be a coach of the year candidate. All hail coach Tomlin, bow down before your master, you limp-wristed non-believers!

I have a dollar that this post is taken seriously...

 

[Super Dave]

There's no denying Mike Tomlin is in the upper echelon of NFL head coaches. He's rallied the team after an up & down start, the team is playing excellent right now. By season's end he'll be a coach of the year candidate. All hail coach Tomlin, bow down before your master, you limp-wristed non-believers!

I hope we beat the jets.

Bad team on the road has been a big problem.

 

[deljzc]

Not to cut into your argument- But wasnt Bryant also hurt earlier in the season?

So you would argue that we should have given Bryant a hat earlier:

1.) Despite a relatively disappointing preseason?
2.) Despite him being banged up?

It wasnt that they didnt trust Bryant- the coaches just trusted J.Brown more earlier on, and its really hard to fault them. He has similar measurables to Bryant, plays ST, and had a year under his belt. J.Brown didnt perform and Bryant stepped up. Simple as that

Was Bryant really still hurt in week 4 vs. Tampa Bay? What did Archer do? We were bottom 5 in points per red zone possession and no one in the coaching staff thought "Hey, maybe activating Bryant instead of Archer could help us there..."

No, that couldn't possibly have happened.

Again, I just doubt the coaching speak that everything they did was perfect and the reason Bryant is so "ready" now and doing well. I call bullshit. Bryant should have started getting red zone snaps immediately in this offense. He should have had a hat unless the injury report said "doubtful" or "out". Especially when we didn't have Moore.

I'm just glad he's finally in there. I'm glad he's gaining confidence in his ability. And hopefully he's not a head case like Sweed and uses his talent to become a professional athlete. We will see if he can keep it up.

 

[Zack_of_Steel]

Matt Spaeth had like, 3 redzone TDs as a rookie to start the season, IIRC. Why couldn't Martavis have done the same as soon as he was healthy? He caught 5 as soon as he was activated.



According to this, Martavis practiced in full starting in Week 2, but was inactive. In Week 5 he was inactive due to illness, but he was still inactive for Week 6 and debuted in Week 7.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/9416/martavis-bryant

They chose not to dress him starting Week 2.