We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

[Vader]

My issues with the Steelers hiring HCs is that they are pretty much assured of a 10 year + run. I understand the need for stability however sometimes it turns into lethargy. They can't always follow the Noll logic of a coach leaving when he wants too. No org. is good enough to find the right coach every time. The Steelers are so rigid that they can't move on if and when they get stuck with a less than average coach.

 

[Omar10213245]

that, in all honesty, it could easily be worse.
hiring a pedigree-coach isnt a sure thing to a Super Bowl, as the Bears are finding out.
hiring a flash-in-the-pan isnt either, as we are finding out.

sure it could definitely be worse, but that doesn't mean we shouldnt observe and complain when things are still pretty all-around terrible

 

[Superman]

sure it could definitely be worse, but that doesn't mean we shouldnt observe and complain when things are still pretty all-around terrible

which is far from what I stated.
at least we hired Tomlin and not Trestman. or Kiffin. or ...

 

[Omar10213245]

which is far from what I stated.
at least we hired Tomlin and not Trestman. or Kiffin. or ...

Its weird how you always seem to have this "but thats not what i stated" type of reply when someone brings up valid complaints with the team's leadership. Please, elaborate on what you meant.

 

[Vader]

which is far from what I stated.
at least we hired Tomlin and not Trestman. or Kiffin. or ...

It's difficult to say because the Steelers are a very well run org. Maybe with the stability of the org. Trestman wins here? Maybe with a HOF DC and a franchise QB he does better here? Would Tomlin make Chicago any better?

 

[Superman]

Its weird how you always seem to have this "but thats not what i stated" type of reply when someone brings up valid complaints with the team's leadership. Please, elaborate on what you meant.

I'm sorry, I forgot you subscribe to Dipshit Logic that is prevalent around here.

I'm saying if it were MY decision, I'd be throwing money at Bob Stoops.
I'm also saying if I were to ***** and whine incessantly about the coaching staff, I'd at least find the silver lining that it very easily could have been worse had we not hired Tomlin.

Is that clear enough for you or does Dave need to install the Drooler font?

if you'll note my replies to the coaching bitchfests that go on here 4-5 threads per week (it seems), I'm not one to defend Coach Cool Shades.

 

[Omar10213245]

I'm sorry, I forgot you subscribe to Dipshit Logic that is prevalent around here.

I'm saying if it were MY decision, I'd be throwing money at Bob Stoops.
I'm also saying if I were to ***** and whine incessantly about the coaching staff, I'd at least find the silver lining that it very easily could have been worse had we not hired Tomlin.

Is that clear enough for you or does Dave need to install the Drooler font?

if you'll note my replies to the coaching bitchfests that go on here 4-5 threads per week (it seems), I'm not one to defend Coach Cool Shades.

I guess we just "dont get" the genius that is Supe.


Bwahahahahaha

 

[Omar10213245]

It's difficult to say because the Steelers are a very well run org. Maybe with the stability of the org. Trestman wins here? Maybe with a HOF DC and a franchise QB he does better here? Would Tomlin make Chicago any better?

Hey, hey! Easy now...dont you dare try to throw that type of curveball at Supe. He's liable to give us such a brilliant response that we wont be able to infer the meaning of his response, and THEN where will we be, Vader??

 

[Superman]

It's difficult to say because the Steelers are a very well run org. Maybe with the stability of the org. Trestman wins here? Maybe with a HOF DC and a franchise QB he does better here? Would Tomlin make Chicago any better?

too many hypotheticals, really.
would Trestman have kept LeBeau?
would LeBeau have stayed, even?
would some of our FAs have even re-signed?
the players love Coach Cool Shades for some reason.

 

[deljzc]

This kind of up and down season is exactly why I wish we had a stronger owner/GM presence right now in the organization.

I have no clue what's going on. I really don't. We can all speculate here, but even I fully admit (and I don't do this too often), I need more inside information. I would need to see practices. I would have to feel out the locker room and talk to the trainers and laundry guys to understand what the pecking order is in the locker room. Who REALLY works hard on film before games? Who is all talk and no walk? What are the written down game plans going into games like Tampa Bay and NY Jets?

I have no faith right now that Colbert or Art Rooney II are really evaluating Tomlin's performance (and the coaching staff underneath him) really all that much. I think they are so convinced Tomlin is here for the long term and so convinced he can right the ship given enough time, that there is no urgency in the evaluation process. Colbert is not the kind of strong-willed GM that will state point-blank to the owner that Tomlin is ******* up. And for all we see, Art Rooney II isn't really invested hands-on right now in the football product. He's doing his business thing: expanding the stadium, dealing with a lot of NFL matters, getting involved in the Goodell mess, being apart of the possible London and L.A. expansion/relocation issues. Art Rooney II seems firmly apart of the "established" owners worried more and more about future revenue streams for the league and less about the product that is on the field RIGHT NOW.

I kind of wonder if the dynamic right now is Tomlin pretty much runs the show, Colbert has taken his comfortable "wing-man" position as scout/GM and both Tomlin and Colbert kind of cover-up each others mistakes when asked about it by Art Rooney II knowing full well, Art's not going to really dig into their answers anyways (as long as they keep the ships from entirely sinking). I think Art Rooney II (or any Rooney for that matter) is as far away from the draft process and talent procurement now than at any point since 1969. Art might be going through the motions on some interviews and reviewing where the free agency money is going, but for the most part he is deferring to Colbert/Tomlin (and as stated, it might be more Tomlin and less Colbert than much of us admit).

Unless this dynamic changes; i.e. Rooney gets more involved, Colbert is fired, Tomlin is fired, etc.; I really don't see any major institutional change happening around here anytime soon and thus a lot more of the same-old, same-old that we are used to in the Tombert regime.

 

[Vader]

too many hypotheticals, really.
would Trestman have kept LeBeau?
would LeBeau have stayed, even?
would some of our FAs have even re-signed?
the players love Coach Cool Shades for some reason.

What type of coach would get rid of a HOF DC who has had some of the best defense in the entire league at the exact same time they are taking over the program? LeBeau staying is a no brainer. LeBeau probably never even heard of Tomlin before his name came up. So another HC wouldn't have changed anything. What FAs did you want to re-sign? Everybody wanted Wallace gone before he left. As far as the FAs that were re-signed which ones have done anything so great? Gilbert? Allen? Who exactly has been worth keeping?

I don't see a lot of hypotheticals that can't be pretty easily answered in those specific areas. Not saying anyone knows what would have happened. However, I think the stability of the Steelers allows a coach a lot of help. Especially when the coach coming in had a franchise QB, HOF DC, HOF safety, and a loaded young team that even 8 years down the line still has the majority of the talent on the team.

 

[topseed]

that, in all honesty, it could easily be worse.
hiring a pedigree-coach isnt a sure thing to a Super Bowl, as the Bears are finding out.
hiring a flash-in-the-pan isnt either, as we are finding out.

Why would Trestman's CFL head coaching experience add to his NFL pedigree? I mean, the guy spent 20 years as an assistant coach in the NFL, then went to NC State and took an OC position. Not a head coach, but a college coordinator. Then had to go to the CFL to become a head coach, and remained there for five years.

Not exactly the ideal coaching path for my taste.

 

[Superman]

and again, I'm not defending Tomlin.
nor Trestman. and I only used Trestman to note that he had a LOT of coaching experience in different areas, at different places and was even a head coach, albeit in the CFL...unlike Tomlin who was never a head coach.

I'm saying our hiring could have been worse. much worse. I'm totally impartial to Tomlin. Couldn't care if he leaves and certainly won't be surprised if we keep him on.

 

[Wingman]

On a positive note the defense only allowed the other team to put up 20 points. Yep 20 points with lots of injuries to starters and the first line back ups, they were damn near playing a preseason line up and held the yets to less than 20 points. In todays NFL holding a team to less than 20 is great. It is even better when you consider some of the gift field positions the offense gave the other team. In the interception to Wheaton, that was clearly a time to throw short and let him run after the catch Ben waited too long with the throw.

 

[jitter77]

Bob Stoops would be on my short list

though with our luck, Lame Kiffin would be interviewed and he'd retain Haley.

I dont think i would want stoops. He used to be clutch in the big games, but lately not so hot. He is only 4-5 in BCS games and 8-7 in bowl games overall. I dont think he is the guy we need to get over the hump. Maybe he is burnt out or whatever and needs a change, but I wouldnt take that risk.

 

[obxsteeler]

My issues with the Steelers hiring HCs is that they are pretty much assured of a 10 year + run. I understand the need for stability however sometimes it turns into lethargy. They can't always follow the Noll logic of a coach leaving when he wants too. No org. is good enough to find the right coach every time. The Steelers are so rigid that they can't move on if and when they get stuck with a less than average coach.

Do you also have an issue with the Steelers success with their process? I think there are many more issues with turnover than stability. Cowher and Tomlin have almost identical records at this point in their careers-would you have considered Cowher less than average and advocated firing him?

 

[obxsteeler]

My issues with the Steelers hiring HCs is that they are pretty much assured of a 10 year + run. I understand the need for stability however sometimes it turns into lethargy. They can't always follow the Noll logic of a coach leaving when he wants too. No org. is good enough to find the right coach every time. The Steelers are so rigid that they can't move on if and when they get stuck with a less than average coach.

Do you also have an issue with the Steelers success with their process? I think there are many more issues with turnover than stability. Cowher and Tomlin have almost identical records at this point in their careers-would you have considered Cowher less than average and advocated firing him?

 

[Vader]

Do you also have an issue with the Steelers success with their process? I think there are many more issues with turnover than stability. Cowher and Tomlin have almost identical records at this point in their careers-would you have considered Cowher less than average and advocated firing him?

I'm not going through this again because you know the answer. I judge the coach based on what they have. Tomlin has had 100X more benefits than Cowher during the same amount of time. It isn't just about records. Missing the playoffs almost half his tenure with a franchise QB is unacceptable to me. Not winning a playoff game since 2010 is unacceptable with a franchise QB. However, I've never called for him to be fired. Nothing anyone can do about that. Even if he is replaced staying with his replacement 10+ years just because that's how you do business doesn't make sense to me.

 

[ark steel]

On a positive note the defense only allowed the other team to put up 20 points. Yep 20 points with lots of injuries to starters and the first line back ups, they were damn near playing a preseason line up and held the yets to less than 20 points. In todays NFL holding a team to less than 20 is great. It is even better when you consider some of the gift field positions the offense gave the other team. In the interception to Wheaton, that was clearly a time to throw short and let him run after the catch Ben waited too long with the throw.

It is only the second time this year that we have had less penalties than our opponent (Rats2 was the first). It is also the first time this year we have had less than 6 penalties in a game.

 

[Ghost of Frenchy Fuqua]

My issues with the Steelers hiring HCs is that they are pretty much assured of a 10 year + run...

But I think that era has come to an end.

Rooney Inc., the second generation, can't be pleased with back-to-back 8-8 seasons, and even moreso the losses to bad teams. (Falling behind the Browns and their coaching carousel has to bother them, too.)

It's a pattern that needs to change this year - even this coming game - or I could see next season being Tomlin's last.

 

[Acereros]

You are just making **** up now. I said neither wins or losses are all that dependent on the head coach IMO. I thought I made that perfectly clear by saying that very thing about 10 times. Guess not. You want to blame Tomlin for today, fine, but blame Tomlin, the position coaches, the Coordinators and the players because everything was awful today. On the field they were getting outworked, outclasses and outmuscled. After the pep talks are over it's time to man the **** up and play. No excuses. The players do not get a free pass for not performing between the whistles as much as you want them to.

But you need to acknowledge that this is not an isolated event. We've been seeing this trend of poor preparation and performances against lowly teams for many years since Tomlin took over. Lots of players and assistant coaches have left the team, there is only one constant: Mike ******* Tomlin!!!!!!!

 

[Acereros]

that, in all honesty, it could easily be worse.
hiring a pedigree-coach isnt a sure thing to a Super Bowl, as the Bears are finding out.
hiring a flash-in-the-pan isnt either, as we are finding out.

So, do you want to keep Tomlin or do you want him fired?

 

[Acereros]

On a positive note the defense only allowed the other team to put up 20 points. Yep 20 points with lots of injuries to starters and the first line back ups, they were damn near playing a preseason line up and held the yets to less than 20 points. In todays NFL holding a team to less than 20 is great. It is even better when you consider some of the gift field positions the offense gave the other team. In the interception to Wheaton, that was clearly a time to throw short and let him run after the catch Ben waited too long with the throw.

Valid point! Especially when 17 of those points came in the 1st quarter.

 

[Superman]

So, do you want to keep Tomlin or do you want him fired?

I don't think it's just an easy fire.
sure, his playing down to opponents is cause for dismissal, fudging company resources is another.

yet, it the FO could see it as a PR nightmare. I mean, look at this thread....some people argue that his record is identical to Cowher's. Others say his record overall may be similar, but point to other discrepancies.

The only way I'd fire him is if I knew I had someone that I could count on to come in and clean the mess up. No coaching interview bullshit, other than just for the media circus. And if he were fired, they'd literally have to sweep every single one of the current regime out.

As much money as is invested, I just don't see them doing much to rock their investment.

aside from all that, yes, I would fire him. I've already stated who I'd be calling, too.

 

[Superman]

and if Stoops turned it down, Gus Malzahn would be next on my list.