We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

[ark steel]

Lots of players and assistant coaches have left the team, there is only one constant: Mike ******* Tomlin!!!!!!!

Well, that isn't true, at all.

 

[Vader]

But I think that era has come to an end.

Rooney Inc., the second generation, can't be pleased with back-to-back 8-8 seasons, and even moreso the losses to bad teams. (Falling behind the Browns and their coaching carousel has to bother them, too.)

It's a pattern that needs to change this year - even this coming game - or I could see next season being Tomlin's last.

I don't believe they'll fire him any time soon. I haven't heard one report of the Rooney's being disgruntled with him. The may fire Haley or ask DL to retire. But I have seen nothing that lets me believe they are even thinking about making a HC move.

 

[Superman]

I don't believe they'll fire him any time soon. I haven't heard one report of the Rooney's being disgruntled with him. The may fire Haley or ask DL to retire. But I have seen nothing that lets me believe they are even thinking about making a HC move.

bingo

tomlin isnt doing anything off the field to draw unwanted attention to the team. his teams have been average, below the line, and all the other coachspeak...but that wont usher in a change any time soon.

 

[Brian M]

If this team fails to make the playoffs after a 6-3 start, Mike Tomlin ABSOLUTELY should be fired.

 

[awboatguy]

Valid point! Especially when 17 of those points came in the 1st quarter.

True, but the other side of the coin is they held us to 17 the whole night.

 

[awboatguy]

If this team fails to make the playoffs after a 6-3 start, Mike Tomlin ABSOLUTELY should be fired.

SHOULD be? YES! WILL be? Nope. Rooney Rule will not fail in a Rooney organization. That ***** for other teams. It would be bad football politics.

(Standing by for the backlash of calling out the Rooney's). But it's true

 

[Punxsutawney]

Tomlin has one year left on his contract.

The question is not whether they'll fire him this offseason. It's whether they extend him.

If they do the latter, short of winning a playoff game or two this season, I'll literally stop watching the Steelers.

Edit: I just read that he's signed through the 2016 season. Prepare for AT LEAST two more years of Tomlin, people. It's coming, whether we want it or not.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

and if Stoops turned it down, Gus Malzahn would be next on my list.

I would not want Stoops or Malzahn. I think they are both college coaches, especially Malzahn. I don't think his scheme, which is more option reliant than Chip Kelly's would work in the NFL.

Guys i'd be looking at are.

Mike Munchak - did a solid job in Tenn, but Locker just wasn't the right guy at QB.
Cardinals DC Todd Bowles
Seattle OC Darrell Bevel
Cowboys DC Rod Marinelli - great defensive coach. Failed in Detroit as HC, but who hasn't? Belichick failed his first time as a HC.
Packers OC Tom Clements
Dolphins OC Bill Lazor

Lazor is an interesting candidate. He's a former Ivy League QB who has worked under Joe Gibbs, he's been an OC in college. He was OC in Philly under Chip Kelly. He's been in a lot of systems and he's young. Plus he's from Scranton. Actually, along with Munchak, that's 2 guys from Scranton on the list.

I don't think the Rooneys even consider firing Tomlin unless he finishes under .500. Steelers have already done enough to get him 1 more year especially since a few of the young players are actually showing promise.

If they make the playoffs this year, i think he gets an extension. If they miss the playoffs, he gets next year and if they miss the playoffs next year, that's 4 years without the playoffs and nobody would say anything about letting Tomlin go.

Tomlin would then immediately become the hot coaching candidate for NFL and college. Tomlin would be great in college. With his personality, i think he'd be a great recruiter. If you can recruit, then you don't even have to know how to coach and you can win. Just look at Les Miles

 

[Xc944]

I would not want Stoops or Malzahn. I think they are both college coaches, especially Malzahn. I don't think his scheme, which is more option reliant than Chip Kelly's would work in the NFL.

Guys i'd be looking at are.

Mike Munchak - did a solid job in Tenn, but Locker just wasn't the right guy at QB.
Cardinals DC Todd Bowles
Seattle OC Darrell Bevel
Cowboys DC Rod Marinelli - great defensive coach. Failed in Detroit as HC, but who hasn't? Belichick failed his first time as a HC.
Packers OC Tom Clements
Dolphins OC Bill Lazor

Lazor is an interesting candidate. He's a former Ivy League QB who has worked under Joe Gibbs, he's been an OC in college. He was OC in Philly under Chip Kelly. He's been in a lot of systems and he's young. Plus he's from Scranton. Actually, along with Munchak, that's 2 guys from Scranton on the list.

I don't think the Rooneys even consider firing Tomlin unless he finishes under .500. Steelers have already done enough to get him 1 more year especially since a few of the young players are actually showing promise.

If they make the playoffs this year, i think he gets an extension. If they miss the playoffs, he gets next year and if they miss the playoffs next year, that's 4 years without the playoffs and nobody would say anything about letting Tomlin go.

Tomlin would then immediately become the hot coaching candidate for NFL and college. Tomlin would be great in college. With his personality, i think he'd be a great recruiter. If you can recruit, then you don't even have to know how to coach and you can win. Just look at Les Miles

If they miss this year and next that's 5 yrs no playoffs. Sorry but if we don't make it this year there is no reason to keep Tomlin. Making the playoffs %50 of the time with the team he inherited and where we are today isn't good enough.

 

[Xc944]

it's bad business in the nfl to have a coach on the final year of his contract. You either extend hi or let him go. Teams don't buy I when they know a coach can be gone anyday

 

[Wingman]

There are right now three guys on this team with HC experience behind Tomlin. If it was time to send a message the bye would be the time. You have DLs replacement on the team already. He could manage the rest of the season and has the respect of every player on the team. Dl might be in his last year, he could be the guy to retire from the interim coach position and the steelers could be getting ready to search for his replacement.

I think there needs to be more considered than just the teams record although that is important it is not the be all end all. There are lots of things that need to be looked at that most of us as fans will never see and only see the product that is on the field. I suspect that MT is not going to take the next step but instead will give us flashes of good things only to undermine it with his performance in later games. He may have some good points but does not seem to be a team builder, and leader some guys are not.

 

[papillon]

The Steelers just don't fire coaches mid-season and are reluctant to do so in general and we have about 45 years of proof. Hoping for a firing when there is absolutely no indication that ownership is disenfranchised with what is happening is allowing your self to be let down at the end of the year when nothing happens to Tomlin, Haley or Lebeau.

Papillon

 

[deljzc]

it's bad business in the nfl to have a coach on the final year of his contract. You either extend hi or let him go. Teams don't buy I when they know a coach can be gone anyday

That means the "decision day" is probably January, 2016. You can't keep him at that point without an extension (else he'd be a lame duck head coach).

I actually think NOT extending him this off-season (with 2 years left) would be an unspoken shot-across-the-bow for Tomlin's reign here. It would be the same as sitting him down and telling him his career as the head coach of the Steelers depends on the 2015 season entirely. You can read that as a playoff-or-else scenario or anything you want.

That's what many here want and I suspect that is what will happen if this season continues as is (heading towards a 9-7 season, missed playoffs). Could 10-6 and a wildcard birth mean a new contract for Tomlin? Unsure. I wouldn't do that, but we know the Rooney's think more of Tomlin than many here.

Would a total collapse (go 1-4 or worse the rest of the way) mean Tomlin is fired now with 2 years left on his contract? Unsure about that as well. Art Rooney II looks a bit more tight with his money than some before him. He pays players when Colbert tells him, but not sure he's swallowing $8 million or $9 million in Tomlin salary (and possibly more for Colbert if he's let go as well).

In summary, I really think the 2015-2016 off-season is when the **** hits the fan for this regime. And that decision is either going to make a lot of people happy or piss a lot of people off.

 

[Superman]

Fire Tomlin!
Hire Tebow!

Spike rejoices

 

[Wingman]

I do not recall ever seeing indication from the Rooneys that the head coach was going to be replaced. Maybe they were there but it seemed that as far as I can remember when they decided to replace a guy they just did it and there were no leaks or rumors to the media till the decision was made.

 

[deljzc]

I do not recall ever seeing indication from the Rooneys that the head coach was going to be replaced. Maybe they were there but it seemed that as far as I can remember when they decided to replace a guy they just did it and there were no leaks or rumors to the media till the decision was made.

I really think with the Rooney's it comes down to the contract. When the Rooney's last extended Tomlin, that's the decision. And they will stick with it regardless of the product on the field. And since they know this, there is no reason to speculate or "show" their hand in the media or elsewhere.

This upcoming off-season is the first "decision time" for Art Rooney II. I believe Tomlin's last extension came with 2 years left on his deal (I'm not sure of that though). Reading from Wiki here are Tomlin's contracts:

2007: 4-year, $10 million with a 5th year team option (to 2010 of 2011 with option)
Summer 2010: 3-year contract extension (2011-2013)
Summer 2012: 3-year contract extension (2014-2016)

So with this "pattern", he's suppose to get another extension this off-season but doesn't really "have to" (he has two years left). That's why I stated earlier, Rooney could send an unspoken message that he is unhappy/unsure of Tomlin by NOT extending him. He's not a lame duck coach yet, but tell Tomlin things aren't quite as honky-dory at it was after the 2011 season.

We'll see.

 

[Wingman]

I really think with the Rooney's it comes down to the contract. When the Rooney's last extended Tomlin, that's the decision. And they will stick with it regardless of the product on the field. And since they know this, there is no reason to speculate or "show" their hand in the media or elsewhere.

This upcoming off-season is the first "decision time" for Art Rooney II. I believe Tomlin's last extension came with 2 years left on his deal (I'm not sure of that though). Reading from Wiki here are Tomlin's contracts:

2007: 4-year, $10 million with a 5th year team option (to 2010 of 2011 with option)
Summer 2010: 3-year contract extension (2011-2013)
Summer 2012: 3-year contract extension (2014-2016)

So with this "pattern", he's suppose to get another extension this off-season but doesn't really "have to" (he has two years left). That's why I stated earlier, Rooney could send an unspoken message that he is unhappy/unsure of Tomlin by NOT extending him. He's not a lame duck coach yet, but tell Tomlin things aren't quite as honky-dory at it was after the 2011 season.

We'll see.

that sounds like what we have seen in the past, but I am wondering if this is going to be time to change from the past, as you say we will see and I do have to say odds are on your side.

 

[Brian M]

Imagine the outrage if we fail to make the playoffs and Tomlin gets an extension this off-season.

 

[Wingman]

Imagine the outrage if we fail to make the playoffs and Tomlin gets an extension this off-season.

Imagine if we do with a poor record and go one and done? I think you see the same outrage except from the balchinians. There will be those that are defenders of him no matter what and regardless of how poorly he performs. I hope he gets it and takes the next step but I suspect he will not. His activity seems like Kordell's in that he could perform well enough to think he was going to do well and then just when you thought he would break out he would **** the bed.

 

[Steelerfan]

Balchinians? LMAO

 

[topseed]

I really think with the Rooney's it comes down to the contract. When the Rooney's last extended Tomlin, that's the decision. And they will stick with it regardless of the product on the field. And since they know this, there is no reason to speculate or "show" their hand in the media or elsewhere.

This upcoming off-season is the first "decision time" for Art Rooney II. I believe Tomlin's last extension came with 2 years left on his deal (I'm not sure of that though). Reading from Wiki here are Tomlin's contracts:

2007: 4-year, $10 million with a 5th year team option (to 2010 of 2011 with option)
Summer 2010: 3-year contract extension (2011-2013)
Summer 2012: 3-year contract extension (2014-2016)

So with this "pattern", he's suppose to get another extension this off-season but doesn't really "have to" (he has two years left). That's why I stated earlier, Rooney could send an unspoken message that he is unhappy/unsure of Tomlin by NOT extending him. He's not a lame duck coach yet, but tell Tomlin things aren't quite as honky-dory at it was after the 2011 season.

We'll see.

Wouldn't the "pattern" have indicated a 3-year extension this past summer?

 

[topseed]

Imagine if we do with a poor record and go one and done? I think you see the same outrage except from the balchinians. There will be those that are defenders of him no matter what and regardless of how poorly he performs. I hope he gets it and takes the next step but I suspect he will not. His activity seems like Kordell's in that he could perform well enough to think he was going to do well and then just when you thought he would break out he would **** the bed.

I don't think anyone is making the playoffs in the AFC this year with a "poor" record. It's going to take 10-6, or at the very least 9-6-1 in the Bengals' case. Too many solid teams with good records out there.

 

[deljzc]

Wouldn't the "pattern" have indicated a 3-year extension this past summer?

No. The pattern is when 2 years are left on the contract, they add three more years. If that happens again (like in 2012), you are looking at an extension to keep him here through 2019.

 

[Badcat]

And that is when I break out the pen and paper and go all Edgar All Poe on the Roomey's *****.

 

[Wingman]

I don't think anyone is making the playoffs in the AFC this year with a "poor" record. It's going to take 10-6, or at the very least 9-6-1 in the Bengals' case. Too many solid teams with good records out there.

You don't think loosing more than 1/3 of your games is a poor record? I do. 12 and 4 is the bottom of the good records for me. A good record will get you into the top two seeds in the playoffs. In case it was not clear 10 and 6 is a poor record.