We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

[diver]

Didn't Brooks have a lot of problems in college, so much so he was kicked off the team at Virginia? I think that was him.

 

[diver]

I m one who has grown disgusted with Tomlin. I supported him, but now, if they fired him, I would lose no sleep.

The caveat to that is I watch other games. Almost every coach in the NFL does stupid *** things that defy logic. It is incredible. These are supposed to be the best of the best. Harbaugh. A few weeks ago I watched his team get down to the 1 foot line. His team has arguably one of the best short yardage backs in the league, and he runs a sneak, they fumble and lose to the Rams. I live in Eagles country. Hell, on WIP they are pissing and moaning every week about one thing or another Chip Kelly does stupid.

The only one who seems to routinely avoid stupid stuff is Belechick, and he ain't leaving. That isn't a reason to keep Tomlin, but don't expect any miracles if they fire him.

 

[Superman]

Yes you are.

Prove it. Other than your opinion, show me that I am a Tomlin apologist.
Like Diver said, I'd not lose any sleep if he were fired...but he won't be. The **** you and others try to hang on him is ridiculous. You act as if no other coach in the league makes ****** up decisions. If that was true, then we'd simply not have any head coach turnover from year to year.

Because you piss your pants when he's criticized.

Like you do when someone dares criticize Harbaugh?

Yes, and I wish he weren't.

That's fine. Wishing that the entire team would just do their own damn thing and let anarchy reign supreme is not going to get you what you want, though. Surely you played enough team sports to realize this.

LOL, you mean that one time?

this thread or which? please, narrow down your hypocrite.

And Tomlin's path was the RIGHT one. End of story, period, like ten exclamation points. Because Tomlin.

and this is PRIME goddamn example of your oversensationalism and dramatics. "Because Tomlin". Yes, ******, "because Tomlin" or "because Steelers" or whatever ridiculous **** you want to spew in yet another feeble attempt to make yourself appear to be more intelligent than the unwashed masses here, on this very board that you loathe, the very board you consistently cry about it's pussification, the very board where the vast majority of people simply can not stand your smarmy personna. All hail the ultra high intellect of Idjit. We are just not worthy.

 

[bermudasteel]

Buckeye, don't you know that it's "wrong to be happy and content" after the Steelers win a football game??? If we don't win by 1000 pts. it's all for naught...

Hammmy didn't like this comment....meh....

 

[Drink IRON City]

If by "Ham and beans", you mean "tombert ****", then I'm sure that is what he was eating.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm NOT the interpreter!!!!!!!




Salute the nation

 

[Idioteque]

Prove it. Other than your opinion, show me that I am a Tomlin apologist.

Actually, you're right. My apologies. You never say anything with enough balls to support OR condemn Tomlin's coaching. You like to stay safe in the camp of "I don't know if he's doing a good job or not, so I won't take a stance in any way, shape, or form, but how dare you ******* criticize him!"

Like Diver said, I'd not lose any sleep if he were fired...but he won't be.

That's irrelevant to the question of "Should he be replaced?" Obama ain't getting impeached anytime soon but I damn sure wish he were. They're not making a Sopranos movie but I think it'd be gott-dam awesome.

The **** you and others try to hang on him is ridiculous. You act as if no other coach in the league makes ****** up decisions. If that was true, then we'd simply not have any head coach turnover from year to year.

In my opinion, Tomlin has a lower margin for failure than most other coaches because he inherited a HOF QB in his prime and arguably the league's best defense. I'll cut Doug Marrone and Mike Zimmer more slack because they have far less raw material to work with, and especially coaches who have nothing anywhere close to Ben at QB. Furthermore, I think some of Tomlin's mistakes aren't just mistakes, they're laughable ones. Kicking an XP to trail by 3 scores instead of 2 in the fourth quarter? Going for 2 from the 12 yard line? Running out the first-half clock with 1:45 left? Then doing it again and again? Kicking FGs from the one-inch line in the first quarter of 0-0 games? Kicking super-long FGs with a weak-legged kicker late in games?

Not to mention, Tomlin is the league's sixth-longest tenured coach. Yet we still have many of the same debilitating issues we had eight years ago. We still lose to **** teams. We still lose the turnover battle too often. We still suck in the red zone. We still can't block well. We still can't cover. We rush the passer worse. We still have very ill-timed penalties. We still don't adjust well. We still bounce from one gameplan to another game to game. We still attack bad run defenses through the air and vice versa. He's no longer a young puppy learning the ropes. He needs to exert some control over some of these awful aspects.

I know, I know. It's all the players' faults. They just forget his brilliant coaching most Sundays. And besides, a HC doesn't really DO anything anyway.

Like you do when someone dares criticize Harbaugh?

Again.. that ONE time?

That's fine. Wishing that the entire team would just do their own damn thing and let anarchy reign supreme is not going to get you what you want, though. Surely you played enough team sports to realize this.

Let me rephrase: I wish Tomlin had less influence over the team's play, because I don't think he's got much of a football mind (compared to other coaches) and I think we perform better - specifically on offense - when we cut loose from the iffy style of play our coaches favor.

Your inability to recognize an exaggerated comment made in jest isn't my problem. I obviously wouldn't advocate telling the HC to **** himself and conduct their own practices at a middle school.

this thread or which? please, narrow down your hypocrite.

"You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

How is there hypocrisy in slaiming to have only defended Harbaugh once? You're looking for a different word. I'll be patient, but I'm sure I have time to fix a sammich.

and this is PRIME goddamn example of your oversensationalism and dramatics. "Because Tomlin". Yes, ******, "because Tomlin" or "because Steelers"

I prefer that to an undersimplification and refusal to probe any deeper into anything. "You must swallow down whatever First Take tells you to. Because hot takes! Because Skip Bayless!"

or whatever ridiculous **** you want to spew in yet another feeble attempt to make yourself appear to be more intelligent than the unwashed masses here, on this very board that you loathe, the very board you consistently cry about it's pussification, the very board where the vast majority of people simply can not stand your smarmy personna. All hail the ultra high intellect of Idjit. We are just not worthy.

"I just can't stand him! He's soooo smarmy!!" If you're losing sleep over my "internet persona" then I'd suggest you find a vagina to play with or a set of nuts to corkscrew into the fleshy sack that wafts betwixt your legs.

If you have an example of my attacking a poster or being overly "smarmy" without them coming after me or someone else first, present it. Otherwise, grow a ******* pair and admit you're being a *****.

Again - all of this from a guy who openly harassed a woman into leaving the board then boasted about it, because he didn't like her posts.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Now that ^^^^^ is a textbook. Holy crap!!

 

[Superman]

bitchboy, I've already said that if it were my decision, Tomlin would be gone.
but, of course, you already knew that.

please, try again.

 

[Superman]

and for someone to say that I do not know what a word means, then you come back with the a convulted word "slaiming" whatever that means... well, ...

pop those keys back on the board and pound out another diatribe.

while you're making that sammich, please try to recall who it is I somehow ran off the board, Mr. WildClaimsandNoSubstance.

 

[Idioteque]

bitchboy, I've already said that if it were my decision, Tomlin would be gone.
but, of course, you already knew that.

please, try again.

Then why the whiny diatribes when he's criticized?

while you're making that sammich, please try to recall who it is I somehow ran off the board, Mr. WildClaimsandNoSubstance.

There's no need. You know who she was and I know who she was. The hypocrisy (THIS is where you'd use that word) is the real story there.

Did you want to try again on the word "hypocrite," or answer any of the other questions, or..................... ? Ya stickin' with what ya got? Plotting out five (5) more consecutive posts to beg me for a response?

 

[bermudasteel]

This thread has derailed.

 

[Omar10213245]

actually, you're right. My apologies. You never say anything with enough balls to support or condemn tomlin's coaching. You like to stay safe in the camp of "i don't know if he's doing a good job or not, so i won't take a stance in any way, shape, or form, but how dare you ******* criticize him!"



that's irrelevant to the question of "should he be replaced?" obama ain't getting impeached anytime soon but i damn sure wish he were. They're not making a sopranos movie but i think it'd be gott-dam awesome.



In my opinion, tomlin has a lower margin for failure than most other coaches because he inherited a hof qb in his prime and arguably the league's best defense. I'll cut doug marrone and mike zimmer more slack because they have far less raw material to work with, and especially coaches who have nothing anywhere close to ben at qb. Furthermore, i think some of tomlin's mistakes aren't just mistakes, they're laughable ones. Kicking an xp to trail by 3 scores instead of 2 in the fourth quarter? Going for 2 from the 12 yard line? Running out the first-half clock with 1:45 left? Then doing it again and again? Kicking fgs from the one-inch line in the first quarter of 0-0 games? Kicking super-long fgs with a weak-legged kicker late in games?

Not to mention, tomlin is the league's sixth-longest tenured coach. Yet we still have many of the same debilitating issues we had eight years ago. We still lose to **** teams. We still lose the turnover battle too often. We still suck in the red zone. We still can't block well. We still can't cover. We rush the passer worse. We still have very ill-timed penalties. We still don't adjust well. We still bounce from one gameplan to another game to game. We still attack bad run defenses through the air and vice versa. He's no longer a young puppy learning the ropes. He needs to exert some control over some of these awful aspects.

I know, i know. It's all the players' faults. They just forget his brilliant coaching most sundays. And besides, a hc doesn't really do anything anyway.



Again.. That one time?



Let me rephrase: I wish tomlin had less influence over the team's play, because i don't think he's got much of a football mind (compared to other coaches) and i think we perform better - specifically on offense - when we cut loose from the iffy style of play our coaches favor.

Your inability to recognize an exaggerated comment made in jest isn't my problem. I obviously wouldn't advocate telling the hc to **** himself and conduct their own practices at a middle school.



"you keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

how is there hypocrisy in slaiming to have only defended harbaugh once? You're looking for a different word. I'll be patient, but i'm sure i have time to fix a sammich.



I prefer that to an undersimplification and refusal to probe any deeper into anything. "you must swallow down whatever first take tells you to. Because hot takes! Because skip bayless!"



"i just can't stand him! He's soooo smarmy!!" if you're losing sleep over my "internet persona" then i'd suggest you find a vagina to play with or a set of nuts to corkscrew into the fleshy sack that wafts betwixt your legs.

If you have an example of my attacking a poster or being overly "smarmy" without them coming after me or someone else first, present it. Otherwise, grow a ******* pair and admit you're being a *****.

Again - all of this from a guy who openly harassed a woman into leaving the board then boasted about it, because he didn't like her posts.

boooomshakalaka!!

 

[Steelerfan]

This thread has derailed.

Hush up and pass the popcorn.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Hush up and pass the popcorn.

I have no idea what this thread is about- but I enjoy the 'back and forth'

 

[Superman]

Then why the whiny diatribes when he's criticized?



There's no need. You know who she was and I know who she was. The hypocrisy (THIS is where you'd use that word) is the real story there.

Did you want to try again on the word "hypocrite," or answer any of the other questions, or..................... ? Ya stickin' with what ya got? Plotting out five (5) more consecutive posts to beg me for a response?

what whiny diatribes when he's criticized? if that's what you consider anyone having a differing opinion than yours, then have at it. I'm not as emotionally invested in Tomlin's tenure on the sideline as you are. I know that there's nothing I, nor anyone else, including the SN Elite (of which you are a card-carrying lifetime member), can do about it. I do not believe he's as ****** of a coach as you do, but I also do not praise him as you so want me to - just so you can gleefully jump up and down and say "see!? Supe likes Tomlinbert!!" Even if I were a Tomlin apologist, what difference does it ******* make? The man does do some good things every so often (of which I'm not going to list for you to nitpick), but not as often as I nor anyone else would prefer. I do not believe the man is the most cerebral coach, but I also know he's not Marvin Lewis or Leslie Frazier. Thus, I know better than to hold a magnifying glass up and critique every time he adjusts his crank. You, on the other hand, ... well, love and hate are separated by a thin line. One could justifiably state that you're passionate in your hate for Tomlin. At the same time, one could also state that your passion for Tomlin is extensive and inclusive of all things he represents. So, please tell the class your preference for men - black men in particular.

as for me being a hypocrite and not knowing what you are insinuating as for me driving people from the board, no, I do not have an idea of who you are referring. The biggest menstrual **** to ever grace the board was assy. If I drove her from the board, then so be it. Frankly, I couldn't give a **** less about her, nor about you donning your shiny armor and coming to the defense of some nameless person x-number of years/months/days later.

hell, I don't even know why I'm arguing with a dickbag that would prefer players just run all over the ******* field and do what the **** they want. but that's on you, not me. "in jest". ha. *******. ha.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

As far as the video and the "somber" nature of the locker room, Kovacevic, who was actually in the locker room and therefore is not speculating/imagining/wishing had this to say:

Also, the visiting locker room that night was a joyous place. The Steelers weren’t fussing about or at Blount in the slightest, even for the few minutes he sat at his stall following Porter’s retrieval. In fact, I saw Blount and a couple fellow backs smiling and laughing in there.

http://dkonpittsburghsports.com/2014/11/21/friday-insider-pirates-finally-offered-martin/

Now, I've been told that players will give politically correct statements just to avoid the appearance of dissension. Columnists however will at times go to extremes to manufacture that same appearance. Given this report, by someone who was actually IN the locker room following the game, I'd say all the hand wringing, wishing, speculating, etc. has been a lil off base. Maybe Tomlin ordered the players to act joyous for the writers eh? But, then for him to do so and them to actually follow the order ....

 

[Idioteque]

what whiny diatribes when he's criticized?

The **** you and others try to hang on him is ridiculous. You act as if no other coach in the league makes ****** up decisions. If that was true, then we'd simply not have any head coach turnover from year to year.

see, what you're not understanding is that it's a lot more comfortable for the Tomlin Haters to be able to make a complete 180 on players they do not like than it is Tombert since Tombert must live with their decisions and do not have a



in their arsenal.

as for me being a hypocrite and not knowing what you are insinuating as for me driving people from the board, no, I do not have an idea of who you are referring. The biggest menstrual **** to ever grace the board was assy. If I drove her from the board, then so be it. Frankly, I couldn't give a **** less about her, nor about you donning your shiny armor and coming to the defense of some nameless person x-number of years/months/days later.

Again, it wasn't her

 

[Superman]

oh.....forgot...

 

[Wingman]

As far as the video and the "somber" nature of the locker room, Kovacevic, who was actually in the locker room and therefore is not speculating/imagining/wishing had this to say:



http://dkonpittsburghsports.com/2014/11/21/friday-insider-pirates-finally-offered-martin/

Now, I've been told that players will give politically correct statements just to avoid the appearance of dissension. Columnists however will at times go to extremes to manufacture that same appearance. Given this report, by someone who was actually IN the locker room following the game, I'd say all the hand wringing, wishing, speculating, etc. has been a lil off base. Maybe Tomlin ordered the players to act joyous for the writers eh? But, then for him to do so and them to actually follow the order ....

Big deal there is time, I did not see the DEJAN KOVACEVIC guy during the video, and the clip I saw at the time was not joyous. We have also determined there maybe other reasons for the video depicting that mood other than Tomlin and the entourage. So to have someone say the opposite and then claim we did not see what we saw is rather hard to understand.

 

[obxsteeler]

Big deal there is time, I did not see the DEJAN KOVACEVIC guy during the video, and the clip I saw at the time was not joyous. We have also determined there maybe other reasons for the video depicting that mood other than Tomlin and the entourage. So to have someone say the opposite and then claim we did not see what we saw is rather hard to understand.

How long was the clip we saw and how long were they in the locker room. We do need to remember when we give our opinions we rarely have even clips of the locker room or practice-let alone coach's film sessions. Guess we just have to be a whole lot smarter than them.

 

[miiike]

The Rooneys need to hire a Celebration Coordinator as soon as possible. It has become clear that Tomlin just does not have the skill set to adequately coach the players on the proper technique for high fiving, champagne cork popping, hooting, hollering and bouncing.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Big deal there is time, I did not see the DEJAN KOVACEVIC guy during the video, and the clip I saw at the time was not joyous. We have also determined there maybe other reasons for the video depicting that mood other than Tomlin and the entourage. So to have someone say the opposite and then claim we did not see what we saw is rather hard to understand.

"Big deal there is time ...." Time for what exactly?
The Dejan Kovacevic guy? Oh, you mean the award winning Pittsburgh sports columnist ... Yeah, he'd have a reason to lie about what he saw. And of course that 20 seconds of video that we saw gave a COMPLETE picture of what was going on in the locker room for the whole time it took for the players to undress, shower and get on the bus. I don't see though where Kovacevic claims that opposite or that what you saw was not what you saw. Just that that you didn't see the complete picture.
And of course we've determined there may have been other reasons for the "mood" in the 20 second video.

 

[Wingman]

How long was the clip we saw and how long were they in the locker room. We do need to remember when we give our opinions we rarely have even clips of the locker room or practice-let alone coach's film sessions. Guess we just have to be a whole lot smarter than them.

So the length of the tape would affect what we saw on it? not sure I see your point. Were you going to do an average on the mood and determine it was joyous later and that cancelled out what was seen on the tape?

 

[Wingman]

"Big deal there is time ...." Time for what exactly?
The Dejan Kovacevic guy? Oh, you mean the award winning Pittsburgh sports columnist ... Yeah, he'd have a reason to lie about what he saw. And of course that 20 seconds of video that we saw gave a COMPLETE picture of what was going on in the locker room for the whole time it took for the players to undress, shower and get on the bus. I don't see though where Kovacevic claims that opposite or that what you saw was not what you saw. Just that that you didn't see the complete picture.
And of course we've determined there may have been other reasons for the "mood" in the 20 second video.

How about time of day as in when was the video shot vs when was he there, it would be easy to have different moods at different times during the day. But if you wish to think what you saw was joyous by all means go ahead, it is probably much easier to do that after an award winning columnist tells you that's what was going on. I believe there were lots of award winning columnists involved in claiming that Dewey beat Truman in the presidential elections as well, but you can google that to find out how it turned out if you don't know.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

How about time of day as in when was the video shot vs when was he there, it would be easy to have different moods at different times during the day. But if you wish to think what you saw was joyous by all means go ahead, it is probably much easier to do that after an award winning columnist tells you that's what was going on.

Here we go with another one of those guys who wants you to debate with them based upon what they want to feel you wrote. Please show me where I stated that what I saw "joyous". As a matter of fact, what I stated, was that the mood in the room could have easily changed. I then provided a link to an article written by a reporter who was actually IN the locker room where he states the mood was joyful, indicating that the somber mood we saw did change.

As far as it being easier to believe what a columnist writes in his story. YES, it is easier to believe him because ... well ... he was actually THERE. It's not a hard concept to understand is it? I mean he was present in the locker room .. you were not. Given the option to believe the take on the atmosphere provided by you, who was not there, and someone who actually was there, I think I'll go with the person who actually saw what happened. The credentials just happen to add a little validity to his statement.

I mean if we take your viewpoint, what's the sense in reading any of the columnists, reports etc.? We could all just pop on here and get our information from Wingman's imagination. Ludicrous.