LOL - you used "clairvoyant" in your comment!!! And I shall dub you, "Verbiologist of the Day"...
We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!
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No, but I also don't think that players who aren't behind their coach would so openly support his ability to handle the situation. Do you? Really? Would have been just as easy to say something like "we'll see how Coach Tomlin handles this." or some other bland statement rather than what they said. As for me being able to draw the conclusion I did, it might have something to do with actually hearing the statements on the radio. There's a big difference between the type of "political" answer you describe and showing support for the guy. I heard those three guys supporting Tomlin's ability to handle the situation by expressing their belief that he would. Sorry if you didn't.
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Buckeye, don't you know that it's "wrong to be happy and content" after the Steelers win a football game??? If we don't win by 1000 pts. it's all for naught...
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Oh. Didnt see that. Well, thats certainly not my personal position. Mike Tomlin might suck *** as a head coach, but that surely does not grant the players the authority to be insubordinate to their coach. They still have an obligation to be professionals.
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They said the coach would handle it. Wow what an endorsement. I get all the broadcasts and have heard the interviews. It wasn't some great pronouncement. Again, do you listen to anything other than Steelers stuff? Tell me when you've heard anything differently? I can't wait to hear this. Show me the locker room where the guys say "We'll if our coach had any balls he'd cut him, but he probably won't". Just give me one example.
Sometimes you argue just to argue. It makes you seem .... petty. Snarky comments aside, what evidence do you have that Tomlin is NOT respected in the locker room/by the players.
I mean, if he weren't respected, we would at least see comments attributed to "anonymous" players such as:
"How bad is it there? It's worse than you can imagine," says one NFL player who spent 2012 with the Bucs. "It's like being in Cuba."
Or descriptions of the locker room such as:
"Several current Bucs players describe a similarly bleak environment in which the all-powerful, unyielding Schiano spews tone-deaf platitudes while demonstrating the personal charm of "Homeland" character Nicholas Brody."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000268792/article/greg-schiano-loses-tampa-bay-buccaneers-with-autocratic-style
How about just rampant speculation in the media that he has "lost the team" as can be found with Jim Harbaugh?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...jim-harbaugh-already-losing-49ers-locker-room
Nope, haven't seen any of that either.
I could provide more examples going back as far as to the whole situation with Coughlin in Jacksonville, Belichik in Cleveland, Billick in Baltimore, etc. etc. etc.
So, the question that you asked me is one that you should be asking yourself. Do YOU actually OBSERVE anything other than the Steelers? I mean anyone who even follows NFL football or any other professional sports should have a cursory idea that if a coach has lost the team, you'd be hearing whispers from the players and/or speculation from the media. Fan speculation just doesn't count as "reliable" sources in this instance.
It's pretty easy to play the grump who's always the devil's advocate, but what reliable proof do you have that Tomlin's lost the locker room?
Just give me one example of anything remotely similar to the above occurring with the Steelers. Just one.
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I can hear the bleating from here.
some locker rooms dont say a thing when a player quits.
see: 49ers example: Brooks, Ahmad
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Actually, his isn't bad. It included a shred of personal opinion/insight. It went beyond pasting an NFL.com article as his entire point.
BTW.. this makes five (5) separate posts, ten hours apart, from one specific poster, directed squarely at me and begging for a response. I guess I've been usurped as Steeler Nation Attention *****.
I hope this moment is all that he/she dreamt it to be.
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LOL what a crock of ****. One quote from a FORMER player. One written about a FORMER coach by FORMER players. BTW here is a story about Harbaugh NOT losing the locker room:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/10/01/has-harbaugh-lost-his-locker-room-absolutely-not/
Here's an article where Ward says the locker room is in "Total disarray".
http://articles.mcall.com/2013-02-2...eelers-general-manager-hines-ward-mike-tomlin
Like I said. Finding a player that will question his coach is difficult to do while he is still on the team. But keep on thinking that players do this **** all the time. Guys like Sup and Bermuda will eat that **** up and say how great you are and the circle jerk will continue.
Really, I said that players do that **** all the time? Or is your imagination working overtime again? Funny though that if you go back and look at this thread from the moment you questioned what I wrote, your parameters keep on changing. Not an effective way to hold a discussion, but I guess it works if your only goal is to somehow make yourself look "super knowledgeable" and "win the internet".
In any event, in answer to your new parameter of finding a player who is still on a team who will question his coach, I present ... Cary Williams questioning Chip Kelly from earlier this year. It only took a quick Google search "IF" you were a person who was paying attention to what was happening in the NFL this year rather than just jumping on Steelers Fan Sites in order to felate yourself with how much you think you know.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11566969/cary-williams-says-chip-kelly-overworking-eagles-practice
Like I said, give me one example of this or the things mentioned above happening with the Steelers players in regards to Tomlin. Just one.
And seriously dude ... an almost two year old article citing Hines Ward talking about the "current" state of the locker room when he's no longer with the team? Plus, the "rift" he's talking about is among the players; not between the players and Tomlin. You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel if that's all you've got. To quote ... well, YOU:
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You keep flopping like a fish out of water. Which is why I get sick of this place. You and your merry men of renown can't handle one ******* thing if it doesn't fit you agenda. You can quote a former player from years ago but I can't. Got it.
Also Troy complained about Tomlin over working them his first season. Willie Parker said the Steelers were getting away from Steeler Football. But I guess those don't count? Seriously you can't make this **** up.
Flopping? ME? LMAO ... dude you keep changing the parameters of your argument every time I provide you with what you ask for. There's been no flopping on my part. As far as people not handling things well when it doesn't fit your agenda, pot meet kettle.
I quoted who I felt like quoting, recent and past. YOU raised a stink about "FORMER" and "YEARS AGO" then turned around and did the same thing. You're welcome to do so, but after complaining about that very issue, it makes you a hypocrite.
Troy complained about Tomlin "his first season" agreed. And that has absolutely nothing, nada, zilch to do with whether Tomlin has lost the locker room eight years later.
You're right, you can't make **** up. Which is why you can't provide me with a current example even resembling the situations I've provided you with.
Just one.
And personally, I could care less whether you are sick of this place or not. I mean I'm sick of you changing the parameters discussions, asking people to prove a negative, assuming that you are the only one who watches/listens/reads about anything other than Steelers football and then jumping people's ***** for having the audacity to discuss Steelers football on a site dedicated to DISCUSSING STEELERS FOOTBALL. Discussing anything with you makes me remember that movie "Grumpy Old Men". But hey, whatever floats your boat. We'll just say that you won the internet again tonight; even though you didn't provide anything resembling what I asked for.
wow. pretty full of yourself, arent you? YOU did state that you'd rather the players not listen to Tomlin. That wasn't me putting words in your mouth nor pulling a hidden meaning from your post.
the **** did i do?
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Show me ONCE where I said your examples were from "YEARS AGO". Again, you can't. Just more spinning. I said FORMER PLAYERS. Which means players that aren't with the team any more. As in players that left the team. Is that clear enough for you? Troy was NOT a former player. You wanted an example of a player saying similar things and I found a guy that said the EXACT same thing as was said about Coughlin. Troy wasn't the only one either. Parker was bitching about not playing "Steelers Football". Of course you didn't touch that one.
My point is that 99.9% of the time players play politics. They aren't going to say what they really feel. If the players were honest and open I'm sure they'd say something totally different. I remember when Harrison was asked about his time in Pittsburgh. He mentioned Cowher and LeBeau glowingly. He said something benign about Tomlin but nothing like what he said about the other two. Should I read into that statement that he doesn't particularly respect Tomlin? Hell, if you can read into Ben saying "Tomlin will take care of it" into meaning "Tomlin is a great coach and I support him 100%" then why can't I read "Tomlin is an idiot and I don't respect him" into what Parker, Troy or Harrison said?
Again what they said allowed them not to talk about Blount. It wasn't some ringing endorsement of Tomlin. Just like what Troy said didn't mean he hated Tomlin.
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Looks like some of you are searching hard for Tomlin quotes. I guess you missed the ones by Munchak a few weeks ago when he said he came to Pittsburgh primarily because of Tomlin and the opportunity to work for him and learn from him. I'm sure that won't influence any of you with real NFL experience and background but just thought you might have missed it.
Since the Archer thread was shut down (BOOOOOO!), this is one of the only entertaining threads left. I hope Coolie doesn't **** it up too. 
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Today, 1:25 AM, Post #742, you said:
Wow, you interpreted my saying that Ben (and others) supporting Tomlin's ability to ability to handle the situation is evidence that Tomlin has not lost the locker room as my stating that Ben meant "Tomlin is a great coach and I support him 100%". Amazing that you would say that I'm the one "spinning".
The spinning that happens here goes like along these lines; Some of you guys are so fixated on Tomlin that if anyone on this board makes even a half-way positive statement about Tomlin, your ilk gets all butt hurt and immediately makes some smarmy, snarky and often times ignorant statement that barely addresses the statement made. Your response usually will contain some half-assed personal attack along the lines of "do you even watch anything that's not related to the Steelers?" Next you will ask the poster to prove a negative or attribute some totally off base premise to the poster's statement and ask them to "show me where blah blah blah, etc. etc. etc." When provided with any evidence that supports the poster's position or undermines your falsely attributed premise, you just change the parameters of your argument.
Anything to "Win The Internet" right? Tell me, do you get something like an "*** Of The Year" award for being the grumpiest, crappiest acting curmudgeon in Steeler Nation?
In any event, please tell me more about how your made up interpretation of things I've written proves that what I've actually written is wrong. It's amusing to see someone contort the truth, reach and stretch and flat out obfuscate with such lingual dexterity. Though also a little sad to tell you the truth.
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And just what would you expect him to say? I wanted to come here because he is a dick head and will likely be fired and I can campaign for another head coaching job with one of the best organizations in football? When a guy has just been cut loose from his job and is then given a chance for another one do you expect him to say anything other than nice things about the guy that hired him. These sound bites quotes from the media are about as real as the wwf matches, meaning the quotes themselves are not to be taken at face value.
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