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We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

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In your mind, when will it become appropriate to question of the leadership of this team? What else has to happen, so that the little lightbulb pops up over your head and you think, "gee whiz, I AM a ****** idiot, this coaching staff blows!"?? Or will you EVER be able to see it?? Should tomlin hold an impromptu press conference where he announces, "to all our fans that thought I was a good coach....sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm actually not that good at all in this capacity..."??? Will THAT wake your blind *** up???

The thing is, we are rebuilding right now. (on the defensive side of the ball).......the process started when we decided to move on past Aaron Smith...when we opted out from Big Snack. We had to move on past those greybeards...... We didnt sign Keenan Allen and theres a slew or reasons, which we dont know, for certain, why. Over the past couple 8-8 seasons we've dealt with injuries....matter of fact many thought the team was cursed because we had so many....we lost Silverback, Troy, IKE, Woodley, Foote and the Oline (Pouncey, Velasco, DeCastro, Gilbert, Foster --god knows we struggled to keep a unit consistenly healthy in 2012-2013). The offensive line is the key to any teams success, running OR passing.

So, its remarkable that a team with that many injuries and roster changes thats rebuilding can sustain 8-8. Theres other franchises that sink to much lower depths with records like 4-12, or 6-10 (Mike Smith and his Falcons or Coughlin and his Giants)

I have my share of critcism for the coaching staff, but what fanbase doesnt. Fans are fickle.....emotional....give you an example....8 weeks ago Pats fans were callin for change w Belichek....the team lost its second game and was struggling..theyd traded Mankins and the Oline looked like ****...Brady struggled....fan base said the team stopped responding to the coach..coach was stubborn etc....then **** changed abruptly...Gronk came back into his own...the offense started clicking and now look at em.........

Thing id like to see from this coaching staff is the ability to exploit teams weakness more consistently. Do to them what they do to us.......we shift away from Miller often for full games (perhaps thats on Ben and his tunnel-vision..i dont know) and when we incorporate Heath effectively, we often win. When we focus on Brown (hes our playmaker) and the defense takes him away, work the ****** field...make the defense cover more real estate.

A lot of our limitations on offense stem from the same guy we benefit most from...BEN.....he cant throw/sell a screenplay to save his life (he stares the back down the hold time) and proceeds to "aim", not throw but aim the pass. We've had one or two successful screens to the RB. Hes more effective at the WR bubble....simply because its less congested and Ben doesnt like his passing lanes congested...if it aint wide open

But in summary, im patient...........i know it can pay dividends to be patient and allow time for a coach to rebuild. We're not Oakland, the Browns, Miami, Washington. The Steeler way is the patient way. 3 coaches in 40 yrs. If 8 losses is as bad as we get in down years then i can live with that because i believe 12-13 wins aint that far off...Tomlins done it before and i believe he will do it again. We arent gettin blown out of games......we are one first down and and couple of boneheaded turnovers from being a 9-2 team. Do you agree with that analysis ? This team is close.........it was close last year and the year prior (to qualifying for the PO). I think with the new additions on both sides and gettin players FINALLY healthy we can hit our stride and do some damage. Pieces are finally there esp on Offense.

If we miss the playoffs this year, again, then i believe Tomlin should be given one more season to get things right.

But, if we move too swiftly as YOU suggest and make change because we THINK we need change and we go thru say a 5-11 season, and follow up with a 7-9 season and ultimately at 9-7 season and missing the playoffs under a different coach, then what ? Fire him too.........? Hire, watch... wait three years...can em.............rinse and repeat. That sounds like the aforementioned teams. But perhaps YOU'll be happy because you pulled the trigger and brought in a new face.
 
It will never, ever, ever, ever, ever happen.

Until we have our next coach. Then HE will be infallible in the eyes of the cheerleaders.

Im just patient.....this isnt college where programs like Alabama or FL State are expected to always compete for championships. Franchises go thru down years..............and the Steelers arent allowed to have down years ? Each coach we've hired had some down years, but they always turned things around. Why not this coach...why not now.......... ? Im stupid and an idiot for siding with management WHO'S PROVEN THEY KNOW WHAT THEYRE DOIN. As opposed to bandwagoning with a bunch of whiny emotional armchair owners/fantasy league coaches who think theyre much smarter..........

Really ?
 
Im just patient.....this isnt college where programs like Alabama or FL State are expected to always compete for championships. Franchises go thru down years..............and the Steelers arent allowed to have down years ? Each coach we've hired had some down years, but they always turned things around. Why not this coach...why not now.......... ? Im stupid and an idiot for siding with management WHO'S PROVEN THEY KNOW WHAT THEYRE DOIN. As opposed to bandwagoning with a bunch of whiny emotional armchair owners/fantasy league coaches who think theyre much smarter..........

Really ?

I never called you an idiot, Sally. Damn.

Nor did I say I'm "smarter" though I do know the difference between two scores and three scores, and realize it's better to be down two instead of three in the fourth quarter. One of his many, many stupid mistakes.

The reason I doubt THIS team and THIS coach turning it 180 is because (a) we lack talent at several key spots, (b) it's not like he's built a great core of talent before, allowing me to say "Well, he can do it again! and (c) he lacks a lot of basic fundamental coaching skills.
 
What WAS the struggle for the team offensively against the New York Jets...specifically on the field ? Statistically, were we dominated by the Jets. Its fairly simple WHY we lost to the Jets team. Commentator and analysts say it was turnovers...we all saw the game and we saw the turnovers. Theres a handful of diehard anti-Tomlin haters that will always say that any missed kick, any fumble, any missed block or Ben takin a sack or LeVeon/LeGarrett smokin a doobie is all on the head coach.

Yall say its "lack of preparation".....so then tell me what denotes lack of preparation in a football team of professionals. Does prepared mean "total annihilation or domination of a lesser foe" ? Ben play poorly...especially in the first half, but thats nothin new because Ben usually plays poorly for the early parts of games on a regular.

Again..i say this..yall enjoy bitchin.....bout anything..........ANYTHING...after a loss its ****** horrrible....even after a win.......its ridiculous...like a bunch of jilted prom dates. 7 and ****** 4 in the middle of the chase and youd think we were 2-9. 7 goddamn wins and the ***** fest about Tomlin continues. my mothafuckin GAWD!!! comical

Just think if we had won against the two worst teams we faced that we lost to we would be tied with new england right now for the top seed.
 
What's "comical" is the idea that Tomlin is above reproach, based on the fact that we're a decent 7-4. Guys who say "We've had some modest success, so everyone is awesome and irreplaceable" are what make me giggle.
 
Just think if we had won against the two worst teams we faced that we lost to we would be tied with new england right now for the top seed.

Just think of Denver hadn't laid some stinkers against teams that had no business losing to the AFC wouldn't be as closely contested. It is what it is, Tomlin isn't the best coach, but he isn't dog **** either. In either case, he's not going anywhere anytime soon. I do really wonder tho, what did Tomlin do wrong against the Jets? I understand we lost the game, but Ben threw two INT's, Brown fumbled twice, losing both. There was the botched snap. The jets came into the game with the worst turnover ratio in the league, and we handed them 5 of them. Not sure how players making mistakes is the coaches fault. They weren't reoccurring mistakes, they were ones that caught everyone by surprise, especially Brown's TWO fumbles... But because the Jets are horrible, and we lost, that will be placed at Tomlins feet.
 
With a win Sunday, coach tomlin would become the 7th head coach in NFL history w/ at least 8 wins in each of their 1st 8 seasons. Of the 6 head coaches in NFL history to win at least eight games in each of their first eight seasons, only 3 have done so with one team...

George Allen (LAR-WAS)
Dennis Green (MIN)
Mike Holmgren (GB-SEA)
John Madden (OAK)
George Seifert (SF)
Don Shula (BAL-MIA)
 
With a win Sunday, coach tomlin would become the 7th head coach in NFL history w/ at least 8 wins in each of their 1st 8 seasons. Of the 6 head coaches in NFL history to win at least eight games in each of their first eight seasons, only 3 have done so with one team...

George Allen (LAR-WAS)
Dennis Green (MIN)
Mike Holmgren (GB-SEA)
John Madden (OAK)
George Seifert (SF)
Don Shula (BAL-MIA)

8 wins is a pretty arbitrary cutoff. Personally, I prefer playoff appearances to 8-8 seasons. Reaching 8-8 because we beat the Browns while mathematically eliminated doesn't do much for me.
 
Im pretty sure we all prefer playoffs every year. Everyone here
 
I'm on record after the Tampa Bay game that it's over for me and Tomlin.

It really just comes down to the simple conclusion this team the last three seasons just isn't as good as the first three seasons he took over. Every conceivable neutral criteria to judge "expectations" points to a clear FACT that this team has less expectations now than in did in 2007.

For those that still argue Tomlin "took over" an 8-8 team how do you reconcile the fact we were FAVORITES in 15 of 16 games in 2007? That included some incredibly lopsided ones as well (9+ points favorites five times). Truly average teams are not treated that way by the betting public (or by Vegas).

The truth is Tomlin took over a team bordering on a potential dynasty. It had the youngest quarterback ever to win a Super Bowl at age 25. There was a wealth of experience on his coaching staff. There was still PLENTY of young talent on the team. Heath Miller was 25, Polamalu was 26, Holmes was 23, Parker was 27.

There are no comparisons to his situation because NO COACH in history was given the talent he was given at the age he was given it in Roethlisberger. Never. Comparing Tomlin to Cowher, Seifert, Madden, Gruden, Switzer or whoever is pointless and jibberish. It means nothing.

The fact remains over the past three years, this team has degraded into mediocrity. What was once a team that was looked at as heavy favorites vs. the dregs of the league is now treated as average. Remember those FIVE games favored by 9+ points in his first year? Since 2012 we've only been 9+ point favorites THREE TIMES. And two of those were meaningless games the final week of the season vs. Cleveland (both in 2012 and 2013).

There are excusable reasons for teams dropping from good to mediocre, those being either the loss of a franchise quarterback, the rape of talent via the salary cap (or the institution of the salary cap) or the plundering of assistant coaches that end up being better than what they were thought. None of those situations or excuses apply to Tomlin. None.

The truth is there is only one reasonable explanation for our fall from Super Bowl contender year-in-year-out to mediocre and that is poor management and head coaching. That is the only reason logical and based on the facts presented. All the apologists can't change these facts. The idea the decline "had to happen" or "is cyclical and unavoidable" still then can't debate what Tomlin has ADDED to the franchise. If the cycle was unavoidable than why bother interviewing a head coach at all? Why bother to have standards? Why NOT change head coaches just for the sake of it?

The truth is no one EXPECTED this fall to happen. Only AFTER it happened did the excuses start to appear. The fall WAS avoidable with better management and coaching. That is a fact and if you don't believe that, than firing Tomlin shouldn't really matter anyhow.
 
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Im pretty sure we all prefer playoffs every year. Everyone here

Then why does this board constantly pimp 8-win seasons as successful?

And furthermore, why do we use wins to measure a HC? Mike Martz has a better W-L% than Chuck Noll did. And besides, I'm told in every thread that the players are responsible for the on-field product, not the coach(es). Why then does your stat reflect positively on Tomlin?
 
In Chuck Noll's first 11 years as head coach he won 4 Super Bowls, in his last 12 years we won zero and rarely made
the playoffs. When do you think he became a bad coach?, I've always had a hard time pinning it down.
 
Despite all the expert evaluation of Tomlin he has the best record of any coach in Steeler history in his first 7 years and will have after his 8th. I find that hard to reconcile with him being a terrible mistake by the Rooney's or not ready for the job. If you want to compare him with Cowher give him another 8 years and even if he falls short he will be the 3rd best ever. I'm a fan-not a critic, mainly because I'm not close enough or knowledgeable enough to feel my criticism is valid. Pardon me if I feel the same about that of some others. It really is true that you never know what you got till it's gone-and personally I'd just as soon not find out.
Perfect statement. Just perfect...
In Chuck Noll's first 11 years as head coach he won 4 Super Bowls, in his last 12 years we won zero and rarely made
the playoffs. When do you think he became a bad coach?, I've always had a hard time pinning it down.

Oh boy, that's gonna sting...
 
Then why does this board constantly pimp 8-win seasons as successful?

And furthermore, why do we use wins to measure a HC? Mike Martz has a better W-L% than Chuck Noll did. And besides, I'm told in every thread that the players are responsible for the on-field product, not the coach(es). Why then does your stat reflect positively on Tomlin?

Because 8-8 does NOT equate to a LOSING SEASON...
 
Now we're comparing Noll's team's accomplishments to Tomlin's team's accomplishments.

Yikes. Yes, that stings tremendously, LOL
 
Then why does this board constantly pimp 8-win seasons as successful?

Yeah, that is accurate. 8-8 seasons make my dick so hard, Viagra makers are trying to bottle it and I have to call the doctors after 4 hours. I'm sure Andrew, supe and Bermuda feel the same.

Oh, wait. Maybe we just don't consider an 8-8 season to be an abysmal failure? Can we feel that way without it being determined that we consider it a success? Might we determine that "Yeah, 8-8 ain't great, but it is what it is, here are some good things." Never mind, that is just dumb.

STEELERSUX!!
 
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ark steel again.
 
Yeah, that is accurate. 8-8 seasons make my dick so hard, Viagra makers are trying to bottle it and I have to call the doctors after 4 hours. I'm sure Andrew, supe and Bermuda feel the same.

Oh, wait. Maybe we just don't consider an 8-8 season to be an abysmal failure? Can we feel that way without it being determined that we consider it a success? Might we determine that "Yeah, 8-8 ain't great, but it is what it is, here are some good things." Never mind, that is just dumb.

STEELERSUX!!

So the point of constantly boasting about 8-8 seasons is, "Our team isn't an abysmal failure!"

That's the point behind the bi-daily mentions of Tomlin's 8-8 seasons? That's the defense of Tomlin's coaching.

Awesome! HE'S NOT AN ABYSMAL FAILURE!!!!!
 
Yeah, that is accurate. 8-8 seasons make my dick so hard, Viagra makers are trying to bottle it and I have to call the doctors after 4 hours. I'm sure Andrew, supe and Bermuda feel the same.

Oh, wait. Maybe we just don't consider an 8-8 season to be an abysmal failure? Can we feel that way without it being determined that we consider it a success? Might we determine that "Yeah, 8-8 ain't great, but it is what it is, here are some good things." Never mind, that is just dumb.

STEELERSUX!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ark steel again.
 
So the point of constantly boasting about 8-8 seasons is, "Our team isn't an abysmal failure!"

That's the point behind the bi-daily mentions of Tomlin's 8-8 seasons? That's the defense of Tomlin's coaching.

Awesome! HE'S NOT AN ABYSMAL FAILURE!!!!!

..............
 
Now we're comparing Noll's team's accomplishments to Tomlin's team's accomplishments.

Yikes. Yes, that stings tremendously, LOL
Either you watch a lot of film on Ali or your a natural dancer. Try to keep up, Frances, and stay on topic...
 
The answer to your question is 8-8 is NOT a LOSING SEASON. It is a mediocre one. That is all...

Even with a franchise QB and several All-Pros? Three 8-8 seasons in six years are perfectly acceptable?

Again, we just have differences in expectations. I think we're capable of more. You believe whatever the Steelers do is The Standard.
 
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