We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

[topseed]

tombert sux !!! Rahhhhr

Care to attempt to discount even one of the points deljzc made?

Of course not...Tomlin rulzz!

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Ron, as to #1 above, don't forget that they had taken Malone at 1:28 in the '80 draft. They thought for awhile that he was the heir apparent. Then it '81 or '82, they put him out at WR (the original "Slash") and he tore up his knee, missing the following season and screwing up his development as a QB. Yet, as I recall (was a young pup then) they still touted him as the QB in waiting.

Malone wasn't all that bad, he just wasn't Bradshaw. And yeah, playing most of his career with a knee brace didn't help. He used to shop at a store in Cranberry where the first Mrs. Burgundy worked, usually in sunglasses and a ballcap pulled down low to be a little bit incognito, and she allowed that he was always very nice and a tremendously good dude.

 

[ark steel]

Care to attempt to discount even one of the points deljzc made?

Of course not...Tomlin rulzz!

Why would I? I have been properly chastised by the SN Elite. Optimism of any kind is not acceptable. For ***** sake, why would anyone want to be optimistic?

 

[Steel G]

Tomlin's going to have another test this weekend. 4-7 Saints, a shell of their former selves that can get crushed by the run and no longer have the passing threats they used to. We'll see if this Steeler team puts their boot to their throat or if it's yet another Bucs, Jets, Jags, or **** situation where the opponent either gets up early or they hang around and hang around and then there's only 50/50 odds that the Steelers pull out a W. Just once I'd like to see this team crush a weaker opponent. I doubt it happens though.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Did del factor in injuries? Because those played a big factor too. Injuries to Ben, injuries to the Oline, injuries to Polamalu. I maybe missing some others. That along with not replacing great vets was a factor. Im not going to get into the whole there should of been replacements argument cause to me thats easier said then done. Unless we are also blaming Tomlin for injuries too then well just nevermind this post.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Tomlin's going to have another test this weekend. 4-7 Saints, a shell of their former selves that can get crushed by the run and no longer have the passing threats they used to. We'll see if this Steeler team puts their boot to their throat or if it's yet another Bucs, Jets, Jags, or **** situation where the opponent either gets up early or they hang around and hang around and then there's only 50/50 odds that the Steelers pull out a W. Just once I'd like to see this team crush a weaker opponent. I doubt it happens though.

The Ravens beat them by 7 in a close game. I would love a blow out too but just win the game please. Football is similar to boxing in a sense. Styles make fights. Different matchups cause for different outcomes. Just win please.

 

[steelpride]

Malone wasn't all that bad, he just wasn't Bradshaw. And yeah, playing most of his career with a knee brace didn't help. He used to shop at a store in Cranberry where the first Mrs. Burgundy worked, usually in sunglasses and a ballcap pulled down low to be a little bit incognito, and she allowed that he was always very nice and a tremendously good dude.

Malone was an absolute sud coming out of college at age 20, he started a gme at QB for Arizona State when he was 16. He was great passer and runner but his serious knee injury early in his Steeler career ended any real chance he had as a top QB.

 

[ark steel]

The Ravens beat them by 7 in a close game. I would love a blow out too but just win the game please. Football is similar to boxing in a sense. Styles make fights. Different matchups cause for different outcomes. Just win please.

I don't care if we win by 1 on a last second FG or by 60 with Landry Jones finishing the game because Ben's arm was tired from throwing TD's.

 

[ark steel]

Saints have scored 20.or more points in all but 2 games. Their only "quality win" was over GB where they scored 44 points. GB hasn't given up that many points to anyone else, although Seahawks were fairly close to that. Saints lost to the 49'ers by 3 and to the Ravens by 7.

Offense has to come to play.

 

[Steel G]

The Ravens beat them by 7 in a close game. I would love a blow out too but just win the game please. Football is similar to boxing in a sense. Styles make fights. Different matchups cause for different outcomes. Just win please.

That was in NO and the Rats were up by 14 before NO scored in garbage time. That game was over once Drew threw the pick 6.

 

[Wingman]

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Lets see if my link and picture works this time so we can actually have a picture of a ballchinian

 

[ark steel]

That was in NO and the Rats were up by 14 before NO scored in garbage time. That game was over once Drew threw the pick 6.

The score was 24-17 going into the fourth Quarter. The pick 6 was in the third. The Saints got within 7 with 6.5 minutes left in the game.

 

[Stryker]

8 and 8 would have been good enough to make the playoffs if KC could have kicked a FG.

Dri Archer approves this thread...

 

[Omar10213245]

8 and 8 would have been good enough to make the playoffs IF KC could have kicked a FG.

Dri Archer approves this thread...

Lol i like the cut of yer jib

 

[topseed]

Why would I? I have been properly chastised by the SN Elite. Optimism of any kind is not acceptable. For ***** sake, why would anyone want to be optimistic?

You won't because you can't. It's as simple as that.

Feel free to be as optimistic as you want. If the "SN Elite" is composed of guys who actually use facts instead of hopes and prayers, I guess I'm their newest member.

 

[topseed]

Did del factor in injuries? Because those played a big factor too. Injuries to Ben, injuries to the Oline, injuries to Polamalu. I maybe missing some others. That along with not replacing great vets was a factor. Im not going to get into the whole there should of been replacements argument cause to me thats easier said then done. Unless we are also blaming Tomlin for injuries too then well just nevermind this post.

Ben has started at least 12 games every year of his career, which is remarkable given the pounding he's taken. Injuries happen, but the problem is the Steelers haven't had the depth to successfully overcome them over the past 3 years.

 

[ark steel]

You won't because you can't. It's as simple as that.Feel free to be as optimistic as you want. If the "SN Elite" is composed of guys who actually use facts instead of hopes and prayers, I guess I'm their newest member.

You are so very right. I am completely cowed by your superior knowledge and reasoning.Oh, wait. Maybe it is because you are so thick headed, you wouldn't listen. It's not like people haven't tried. You are so thick headed that you can't even see that few, if any, tout Tombert as a great coach but you still refer to those who don't think he sucks as nut huggers or ballchinians or whatever.If it makes you feel mo betta to think you have it all figured out, more power to you.

 

[Steel G]

The score was 24-17 going into the fourth Quarter. The pick 6 was in the third. The Saints got within 7 with 6.5 minutes left in the game.

And three minutes later, they were down 14. Saints only made it a 7 point game again in garbage time, with only 40 seconds left. Since the Saints went into halftime with a 3 point lead, the Ravens had 3 scoring drives (1TD 2FGs) + the pick 6 to the Saints 1 FG drive prior to the garbage time TD. Yes, technically, the game wasn't over immediately after the pick 6. But when it happened, it was easy to tell they were not winning that game.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Malone was an absolute sud coming out of college at age 20, he started a gme at QB for Arizona State when he was 16. He was great passer and runner but his serious knee injury early in his Steeler career ended any real chance he had as a top QB.

One more thing about good O'l Mark. He has the LONGEST TD pass play in Steelers history. He was a receiver on the play. Bradshaw to Malone, 94yards (if my memory serves me right). many here don't know / remember that Mark was the fasted player on the team, till the injury. They decoyed him and what do yaz know he out ran coverage, Terry hit him the rest is HISTORY. I'm just going out of memory so excuse me if i'm off a little cause normally many say "I'm off a lot"



Salute the nation

 

[Omar10213245]

One more thing about good O'l Mark. He has the LONGEST TD pass play in Steelers history. He was a receiver on the play. Bradshaw to Malone, 94yards (if my memory serves me right). many here don't know / remember that Mark was the fasted player on the team, till the injury. They decoyed him and what do yaz know he out ran coverage, Terry hit him the rest is HISTORY. I'm just going out of memory so excuse me if i'm off a little cause normally many say "I'm off a lot"



Salute the nation

This record was broken in 2011 by the 95 yarder mike wallace had against arizona

 

[diver]

I'm on record after the Tampa Bay game that it's over for me and Tomlin.

It really just comes down to the simple conclusion this team the last three seasons just isn't as good as the first three seasons he took over. Every conceivable neutral criteria to judge "expectations" points to a clear FACT that this team has less expectations now than in did in 2007.

For those that still argue Tomlin "took over" an 8-8 team how do you reconcile the fact we were FAVORITES in 15 of 16 games in 2007? That included some incredibly lopsided ones as well (9+ points favorites five times). Truly average teams are not treated that way by the betting public (or by Vegas).

The truth is Tomlin took over a team bordering on a potential dynasty. It had the youngest quarterback ever to win a Super Bowl at age 25. There was a wealth of experience on his coaching staff. There was still PLENTY of young talent on the team. Heath Miller was 25, Polamalu was 26, Holmes was 23, Parker was 27.

There are no comparisons to his situation because NO COACH in history was given the talent he was given at the age he was given it in Roethlisberger. Never. Comparing Tomlin to Cowher, Seifert, Madden, Gruden, Switzer or whoever is pointless and jibberish. It means nothing.

The fact remains over the past three years, this team has degraded into mediocrity. What was once a team that was looked at as heavy favorites vs. the dregs of the league is now treated as average. Remember those FIVE games favored by 9+ points in his first year? Since 2012 we've only been 9+ point favorites THREE TIMES. And two of those were meaningless games the final week of the season vs. Cleveland (both in 2012 and 2013).

There are excusable reasons for teams dropping from good to mediocre, those being either the loss of a franchise quarterback, the rape of talent via the salary cap (or the institution of the salary cap) or the plundering of assistant coaches that end up being better than what they were thought. None of those situations or excuses apply to Tomlin. None.

The truth is there is only one reasonable explanation for our fall from Super Bowl contender year-in-year-out to mediocre and that is poor management and head coaching. That is the only reason logical and based on the facts presented. All the apologists can't change these facts. The idea the decline "had to happen" or "is cyclical and unavoidable" still then can't debate what Tomlin has ADDED to the franchise. If the cycle was unavoidable than why bother interviewing a head coach at all? Why bother to have standards? Why NOT change head coaches just for the sake of it?

The truth is no one EXPECTED this fall to happen. Only AFTER it happened did the excuses start to appear. The fall WAS avoidable with better management and coaching. That is a fact and if you don't believe that, than firing Tomlin shouldn't really matter anyhow.

Tomlin has lost me as well. However, I take issue with two things here.

First, there is one other way that a team can go from being good to mediocre, and that is when great players become older and do not play as well as they did. Happened to the 70s teams and it is happening (has happened) to this team. And don't give me this **** about replacing talent. If it was that damn easy and didn't take time, the Steelers would have about 30 trophies, as they could have just up and replaced those guys from the 70s, and then easily replaced those guys that replaced the guys from the 70s and so on down the line. I don't know if Tomlin has added anything to the franchise. Like I said, he has lost me. However, I just don't know if another coach would have this team as a consistent SB contender, given what has happened to it age wise. And, I would change the head coach at this point, even if it would be just for the sake of it, because I do believe there is a part of it that is cyclical and unavoidable. Hell, let's see what another guy can do. Maybe a different look at things, maybe a different look at acquiring talent could keep this mediocrity limited.

I also issue with this he was "given Ben." I think Ben is a great QB. I am not running him down when I say this, and believe me, I am old enough to remember the Malone/Woodley/Stoudt etc. years. However, Ben. as great as he is, is a big reason some games have been lost, or nearly lost. On Monday night, WTF took him until the mid-3rd to realize they were blitzing every down and to begin hitting the little screen or flair pass to Bell on the blitz side. That is QB elementary, and it took him more than half the game. When he is the QB that is willing to do that, he can be the best. When he reverts, he gets outplayed for a while by Zach Mettenberger.

 

[obxsteeler]

Of course. But those 8-8 seasons get bandied around like some badge of honor that proves Tomlin's coaching skill. Seems everyday someone crows about how Tomlin's teams have never had a losing season, ignoring the fact he's missed the playoffs three times in seven years.

IMO, when you have a HOF QB in his prime and the best DC ever, anything less than a playoff appearance is a disappointing season, whether we go 7-9 or manage to knock of the Browns in Week 17. To pump up three 8-8 non-playoff seasons as a positive is silly.

Since I'm sure you consider every factor I wonder if you noticed the 3 bad seasons occurred after the OC left. I know many on the Board considered him as an idiot but do wonder if what he's done since has made anyone reconsider. Probably not-that would be ignoring facts.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Since I'm sure you consider every factor I wonder if you noticed the 3 bad seasons occurred after the OC left. I know many on the Board considered him as an idiot but do wonder if what he's done since has made anyone reconsider. Probably not-that would be ignoring facts.

The Bruce is a better head coach than I expected. Of course that means someone else is calling the plays too. Doesn't change the fact that except for one year (2008 if I recall correctly) the Steelers were in the bottom have of the league in total points and generally horrible in the red zone. Now that hasn't changed under the Toddster, but that doesn't mean that The Bruce was better. IMO the past three seasons problems were due more to the defense slipping from top five to mid pack or worse in almost every category.

 

[Idioteque]

Since I'm sure you consider every factor I wonder if you noticed the 3 bad seasons occurred after the OC left. I know many on the Board considered him as an idiot but do wonder if what he's done since has made anyone reconsider. Probably not-that would be ignoring facts.

Ohhhhh.

It was ALL Arians.

Now I get it. Losing Bruce Arians meant that our HOF QB and #1 defense were suddenly garbage.

Doy!

 

[Idioteque]

I think it is silly that you even remotely think that is what we do, but I suppose you enjoy it or you wouldn't spend so much time whining about it.

Why in God's name would so many of you tout "no losing seasons!!!!" as a positive?

I feel like I'm either speaking a different language or in the Twilight Zone.