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FordFairLane said:
I have, huh. I guess you’ve missed all the posts where I have blasted Canada, Tomlin, Art etc. Canada’s offense is vanilla and basic. But Kenny still can’t run it. He is late on throws, he can’t read zone, he is inaccurate, he isn’t running this basic offense correctly. What do you think would happen if he was put into Andy Reid’s or Mike McDaniel’s offense? His head would 🤯. If we had a top 20 passing game we could make some noise. We are ranked 31st at 170 per game. All we need is 200+ a game. If we had a QB that could average 225 and 2/1 we’d actually have a shot at the Super Bowl. That would out us at 17th. And that’s probably about the best this Canada offense could actually do.
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This is about it right here. Canada's offense limits a quarterback on top of Tomlin's emphasis of not turning the ball over is more important than scoring points. However, Pickett isn't executing within Canada's offense either. It's not even asking for a lot, but maybe 3-4 passes a game he's missing. That increases his total from 0 TDs per game to 1 TD per game and pushes his passing yards to over 175 yards per game. I had Pickett at 16-18 passing TDs and 3-4 rushing TDs. That would've demonstrated positive growth and the Steelers would be in business with that type of production.
 
MT~Forged said:
Again, You are assuming that Tomlin had 100% decision making responsibilities, during the first few years with Cowher’s team. I don’t happen to believe this. It was VERY apparent that the first few years Tomlin was required to learn on the job. He was given coaches to learn from. Do you really think Tomlin was able to tell Dick Lebeau how to run the D? These issues started as Tomlin was given progressively more control.

You can give apprentices the best training by the best mentors, but that doesn’t mean you are going to create the best individual. I believe that the Steelers saw promise in a VERY young and inexperienced coach. I also believe they were going to give him a chance with all the backing they had to offer. He just didn’t rise to the level that I personally would like. I believe that he is at best an above average, ( B to B+ if you will) coach. Someone that will win you games, but not someone who will win you championships.
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No I'M agreeing with you. I'm saying when he had the right x,o guys he was good. He can't get them now because he chooses. Player's apparently want to play for him. Coaches do not. My guess they see as dead end from his track record of coaching tree.
 
MT~Forged said:
Honest question - Have YOU actually coached any sport at any level in your life?
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Coached my kids in flag football in elementary, middle school football and now high school. I was a QB and safety in high school and received a partial scholarship to play division III football. Im not an NFL level coach or talent evaluator but I would say I am probably ahead of your average football fan.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Kenny Pickett is trying to give them what they are asking in a High School offense. Put Mitch or Rudolph on. See how the **** that looks. No one is open because they limit the parts of the field used and the route concepts are stupid.
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exactly this. And those route concepts can only come open if the WR runs himself open, out of range of the man/zone/cloud coverage.

Kenny cannot be responsible for this. He's a damn good quarterback but he's not super-human.

 
steelreeling said:
exactly this. And those route concepts can only come open if the WR runs himself open, out of range of the man/zone/cloud coverage.

Kenny cannot be responsible for this. He's a damn good quarterback but he's not super-human.

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I feel.like if this guy was sitting down with Matt Canada and Mike Tomlin and breaking down film they would look like short bus riders.
 
I still cant believe people are blaming Pickett for the offense. First Ben was too old and not mobile enough for Canada. Then Mitch was a bum we never should have signed. Then we have Mason who did the same, now Pickett is a first round bust. Im not saying Pickett is the next Dan Marino and he is not missing throws, but we are not making it easy. Teams figured out the Pickens back shoulder which was 90% of our offense. Our offense consists of the back shoulder or dumping it off to Warren and hoping for a miracle. You could put any QB in the league in this offense and unless they went against coaching they would stink. The Oline also stinks at pass blocking and Pickett has happy feet. I cant blame him when you have to worry about free rushers coming. We need some kind of real offensive concepts to judge anyone on offense. When you are uncomfortable w/ the plays / scheme it is going to effect your game.
 
steelreeling said:
exactly this. And those route concepts can only come open if the WR runs himself open, out of range of the man/zone/cloud coverage.

Kenny cannot be responsible for this. He's a damn good quarterback but he's not super-human.

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And someone was on here today with video of Pickett missing DJ on the cross. He neglected to mention the insta pressure on the three step drop. This dudes video shows the offenses best night and essentially everyone is plastered every damn play. Why....cause it's too simple.
 
17 seasons. Tomlin. The guy is just too comfortable. The Steelers need a fresh approach. Maybe Tomlin too. If he wants to continue coaching. A fresh start somewhere else if he cares about legacy. If he holds coaching one team as a standard then perhaps it’s best he retires.

I don’t expect the Steelers to fire him. This team has had only 3 head coaches in the super bowl era.

My overall thoughts are this team just needs a new direction under a new head coach and coordinators
 
SteelerSask2 said:
And someone was on here today with video of Pickett missing DJ on the cross. He neglected to mention the insta pressure on the three step drop. This dudes video shows the offenses best night and essentially everyone is plastered every damn play. Why....cause it's too simple.
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Pickett has time to make this throw.

 
SteelerFan448 said:
Pickett has time to make this throw.

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Holy **** you are the guy. On both those plays the pressure comes into his face before he can set. I want you to watch all of the Sullivan video with the real good camera angles and tell me how those concepts are getting people open. And again that was best night and those are the good plays.
 
FordFairLane said:
Coached my kids in flag football in elementary, middle school football and now high school. I was a QB and safety in high school and received a partial scholarship to play division III football. Im not an NFL level coach or talent evaluator but I would say I am probably ahead of your average football fan.
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Ok, fair enough. Some of your positions led me to believe differently.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Holy **** you are the guy. On both those plays the pressure comes into his face before he can set. I want you to watch all of the Sullivan video with the real good camera angles and tell me how those concepts are getting people open. And again that was best night and those are the good plays.
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Pause it at 8 seconds. He ball should be coming out. Seriously, who doesn't make that throw? Mac Jones? Zach Wilson? Bryce Young? That may be the list.
 
MT~Forged said:
Ok, fair enough. Some of your positions led me to believe differently.
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Received a partial scholarship isn't the same as playing college football. Odd choice of words there. I suspect to balloon up the background.

Regardless those oddball opinions don't scream high football intelligence like he boasts.

Let me tell you about what I have learned from being a kid on the street, to serving, to moving around a lot at an early age.

If you have to pump yourself up you aren't about ****. If you have to constantly condescend others to try to present as more intelligent you aren't about ****.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Pause it at 8 seconds. He ball should be coming out. Seriously, who doesn't make that throw? Mac Jones? Zach Wilson? Bryce Young? That may be the list.
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That was a miss. A bad one.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Pause it at 8 seconds. He ball should be coming out. Seriously, who doesn't make that throw? Mac Jones? Zach Wilson? Bryce Young? That may be the list.
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Well I just watched Patrick Mahomes make a **** read on an int in the red zone. If the pocket was clean you have a good point on one play. I've seen Ben Roethlisberger not see guys who were standing alone by 7 yards. Now did you watch the other video against the Raiders?
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Pause it at 8 seconds. He ball should be coming out. Seriously, who doesn't make that throw? Mac Jones? Zach Wilson? Bryce Young? That may be the list.
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So I watched it like 30 times. I wanna know when you think the ball should be out. There is a guy trailing the over route who us passing his man to the safety. If that's DJ he either gets lit by the corner or that guy makes a ball play. So if you are talking about when he crosses that guys face.....the pressure breaks through at that instant.
 
And if you want to know the real truth about that play watch the second video. If Issac S. doesn't leave his man to help on edge then DJ gets through to the window he scores on. And if you wanted the play to get to that window it needed a deeper drop by the Q. The short drop brought the quick pass rush into play.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
So I watched it like 30 times. I wanna know when you think the ball should be out. There is a guy trailing the over route who us passing his man to the safety. If that's DJ he either gets lit by the corner or that guy makes a ball play. So if you are talking about when he crosses that guys face.....the pressure breaks through at that instant.
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Are we watching the same play? Pickett's feet are set and Johnson is absolutely wide open. Pickett can step up and make a play in the face of pressure. Is our standard for QB play this low that we can expect a QB to make a play?
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Are we watching the same play? Pickett's feet are set and Johnson is absolutely wide open. Pickett can step up and make a play in the face of pressure. Is our standard for QB play this low that we can expect a QB to make a play?
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What window. Before or after he crosses the dbs face. What window? When he is between the hash or past. Because if you want him in the first window why do you bring the over route into it in the first place? It was cover 1 single high safety. If the over route just runs his guy out then yes he is wide open. The over route brought his guy into play for sure.
 
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FordFairLane said:
Coached my kids in flag football in elementary, middle school football and now high school. I was a QB and safety in high school and received a partial scholarship to play division III football. Im not an NFL level coach or talent evaluator but I would say I am probably ahead of your average football fan.
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Now I know that you're officially full of shlt. Division III colleges don't award full or partial athletic scholarships.

Care to dispute that FACT?
 
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