Well...

[ZonaBurgh]

The offensive game planning, fully supported by the head coach. Fire Canada, which they should have this instant, and there's no guarantee that his replacement will be any more qualified. The standard and all that. Mason wasn't the answer, Mitch wasn't the answer, Kenny isn't the answer. I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

 

[slashsteel]

Like I said in the game day thread Job One for this season is Fire Matt Canada. I don't want the offense having some sort of resurgence this year to save his job. He needs to be gone - period. I'm hoping Khan has the parts to demand this in the off season.

I believe Canada doesn't need firing just not resigned.

Now what faith do you have in thinking anything will change once Canada is gone?

The track records of past coordinators suggest the stock in that should be extremely low.

 

[madinsomniac]

Just so I have this right…..you expected them to play man, but they played zone and because of that you couldn’t figure out where to throw the ball? I would think a professional NFL starting QB wouldn’t be surprised by that and would know what to do regardless. This is the sort of thing that indicates that none of the HC, OC and QB know what the heck they are doing. This isn’t peewee ball. If you are expecting man, they come out in zone and you don’t know how to adjust on the fly you should probably seek out another profession. Weak *** excuse.

So the Browns are extremely weak in the middle of the field in zone, but great around the areas we throw…

Here is the thing… We Don’t ******* Throw over the middle against zone… we just don’t .. and I don’t know if its the qb or the OC but we don’t do it… this was a gimme win…

Kenny’s weakness is his anticipation. That’s going to lead to result. If those tangibles are a trend and it’s just second nature to him. Then his coaches need to implement a system to his strengths. Minimize his anticipation, minimize his want to roll out and take a big sack.


That’s just my observation. A capable OC would see that and adjust accordingly

So Against any competent Dline, our oline breaks down frequently but rarely is it the same way… maybe Moore gets beat… maybe tge guy comes up the middle, maybe the right side of the line collapses…
A qb gets a clock in his head and Picketts is really fast right now… he expects moore to let a guy swing around him a lot… he expects the iol to break down.. he just doesn’t trust tge line at all… and that really didn’t start until he got concussed…

That leads to the scrambling and the bad footwork..

Whether that can be fixed or not, I can’t say. But fixing the line can be done… it starts with bringing in a new OL coach who has total control of the blocking scheme… and who can fit the talent to the cheme he builds

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Kenny Pickett is trying to give them what they are asking in a High School offense. Put Mitch or Rudolph on. See how the **** that looks. No one is open because they limit the parts of the field used and the route concepts are stupid.

The same OC has sucked with three different QB’s. I don’t think the QB is the problem.

 

[steelcan58]

I believe Canada doesn't need firing just not resigned.

Now what faith do you have in thinking anything will change once Canada is gone?

The track records of past coordinators suggest the stock in that should be extremely low.

I not sure anything will change once Canada is gone. But I'm 100% sure nothing will change if he stays. At this point all I'm asking for is a little hope. Watching this team in week 11 was numbing.

 

[SteelerSask2]

The same OC has sucked with three different QB’s. I don’t think the QB is the problem.

Nor do I. He might be part, but very hard to know.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Nor do I. He might be part, but very hard to know.

I’m not ready to throw KP under the bus until we get a new OC.

 

[Stainless]

Kenny's never had a losing season.

 

[slashsteel]

I’m not ready to throw KP under the bus until we get a new OC.

Not throwing him under the bus . But any more 50 some accuracy percentage games like today's - Sunday's slop, I am bungee tying his arse to the hubcaps.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Not sure you can grade him fairly at this point.

He hasn't played a single great half of football in his career. You can absolutely grade him.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I’m not ready to throw KP under the bus until we get a new OC.

Totally agree. I saw enough with Ben with this clown. And you could have just let Ben call plays himself.

 

[MTC]

So the Browns are extremely weak in the middle of the field in zone, but great around the areas we throw…

Here is the thing… We Don’t ******* Throw over the middle against zone… we just don’t .. and I don’t know if its the qb or the OC but we don’t do it… this was a gimme win…



So Against any competent Dline, our oline breaks down frequently but rarely is it the same way… maybe Moore gets beat… maybe tge guy comes up the middle, maybe the right side of the line collapses…
A qb gets a clock in his head and Picketts is really fast right now… he expects moore to let a guy swing around him a lot… he expects the iol to break down.. he just doesn’t trust tge line at all… and that really didn’t start until he got concussed…

That leads to the scrambling and the bad footwork..

Whether that can be fixed or not, I can’t say. But fixing the line can be done… it starts with bringing in a new OL coach who has total control of the blocking scheme… and who can fit the talent to the cheme he builds

It can be fixed. The coaches don’t cater to Kenny’s strengths. Contradicting however is Kenny’s confidence and his reaction on the field. We have a vantage point and can see things players on the field don’t. But coordinators also have that vantage point granted they are up in the booth

 

[johngaenzler]

Kenny Pickett is not an accurate passer. Kenny Pickett doesn’t read defenses. Kenny Pickett holds the ball way too long. Kenny Pickett has zero pocket presence. What does he actually do well??? Nothing!!

 

[MTC]

Not sure you can grade him fairly at this point.

He’s had enough time as a starter to be graded. He’s seemingly regressed. He shows flashes but is fairly inconsistent

 

[Confluence]

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The offensive game planning, fully supported by the head coach. Fire Canada, which they should have this instant, and there's no guarantee that his replacement will be any more qualified. The standard and all that. Mason wasn't the answer, Mitch wasn't the answer, Kenny isn't the answer. I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

I blame Ben

 

[Steelmann]

The same OC has sucked with three different QB’s. I don’t think the QB is the problem.

The same OC has also sucked under the same HC. As did the OC before him. Been saying this for years. When oh when will he ever be held accountable.

https://www.youtube.com/live/RwEnMpWgKQg?si=XjZuRBU3P3l-9SB5

Good lord. Listen to this dribble. Game after game. Season after season.

 

[fedderone]

I said it at the time, and I will now state it again.
And I know hindsight is 20/20, and NFL teams/GMs/scouts are wrong more than they are right......

BUT, Kenny was the only QB selected in the first two rounds of the 2022 draft.
We took Kenny at 20 and then the next QB to go was Desmond Ridder at 74 in the mid third round.
It seemed all the other 31 teams realized the 2022 class of QBs was garbage except for us.
Brock Purdy, Mr. Irrelevant himself, may be the exception to this thought, but he was the last pick of the draft.
Sam Howell is starting in Washington, but looks mid and nothing special.
EVERY other QB selected in this draft is doing much of nothing.

 

[MT~Forged]

He hasn't played a single great half of football in his career. You can absolutely grade him.

That would be like you taking a math test, and failing because the teacher keeps telling you 2+2=37. Then telling everyone you are stupid.

 

[Steel Reign]

He just got outplayed by a 5th round pick rookie. The rosé color glasses clowns will throw shade but the reality is Kenny is at best Teddy Bridgewater. He’s Landry Jones. He’s a game manager backup.

One important part of that is that the Browns called a far better offense for a young QB than the Steelers did. Many of their short and quick passes we saw today (particularly in the middle) don't even exist in the Steelers playbook.

 

[MT~Forged]

He’s had enough time as a starter to be graded. He’s seemingly regressed. He shows flashes but is fairly inconsistent

I do agree to a certain point. He has shown flashes. But, if the people you work for REQUIRE you to do things that negatively impact your job performance, is it truly your fault?
The difference here is, you can quit and go to work elsewhere. KP can not. He can refuse to play, but he would NEVER get another shot anywhere. I personally would rather make changes and see if it truly is him before he leaves at the end of his contract. Maybe it is and then another HOF talent comes along and looks like **** because of coaching.

 

[slashsteel]

I do agree to a certain point. He has shown flashes. But, if the people you work for REQUIRE you to do things that negatively impact your job performance, is it truly your fault?
The difference here is, you can quit and go to work elsewhere. KP can not. He can refuse to play, but he would NEVER get another shot anywhere. I personally would rather make changes and see if it truly is him before he leaves at the end of his contract. Maybe it is and then another HOF talent comes along and looks like **** because of coaching.

I am hoping he bounces back because a 53 completion percentage was painful to watch. I know never to get too caught up on one great game or one bad one.

I am less in his corner than game 1.

I also am willing to wait to see what change can do for him.

 

[stillwright]

Question. Are you saying this because you see the film and guys are open and he isn't anticipating or cause if result. I watched two games at once after. Seattle and Rams and 49ers and Bucs. I see a guy running 3 yards open. I feel Kenny couod make that throw. When is someone three yards open in this offense.

I was thinking the same thing. Also I see WRs running right into the middle of the field 15 yards past the LOS and sit down in the middle of the zone defense. An easy throw and catch. Wonder why we didn't call a few plays like that if the Browns came out in zone coverage?

After every game I always think the same thing. It can't get any worse can it.....and it always seems it does. I would love to be in the meeting with Canada and Tomlin when they our discussing our weekly game plans. Then again maybe not.

 

[MT~Forged]

So many people want to look at stats to make decisions. I don’t believe in that.

If the play call is left sideline pass 3 yards, and the D has that covered all day, but there is a wr open down the right sideline. With 3 defenders in you face, do you really expect 100%. Hell, even 50% accuracy is realistic?

We have seen the same issues, with differing degrees, by every QB for the last 4-5 years. I am willing to give Kp the benefit of the doubt.

 

[MT~Forged]

I was thinking the same thing. Also I see WRs running right into the middle of the field 15 yards past the LOS and sit down in the middle of the zone defense. An easy throw and catch. Wonder why we didn't call a few plays like that if the Browns came out in zone coverage?

After every game I always think the same thing. It can't get any worse can it.....and it always seems it does. I would love to be in the meeting with Canada and Tomlin when they our discussing our weekly game plans. Then again maybe not.

How can you have a discussion with someone who doesn’t seem to have X&O skills?

 

[SteelerSask2]

I was thinking the same thing. Also I see WRs running right into the middle of the field 15 yards past the LOS and sit down in the middle of the zone defense. An easy throw and catch. Wonder why we didn't call a few plays like that if the Browns came out in zone coverage?

After every game I always think the same thing. It can't get any worse can it.....and it always seems it does. I would love to be in the meeting with Canada and Tomlin when they our discussing our weekly game plans. Then again maybe not.

Well when you run the same **** every week and put in front of qualified DC it's gonna get a lot worse. Here is the thing. Either Canada is that bad or Kenny is. Dealers choice but both are Tomlin's responsibility. If Kenny can't do what needs to be done why is he playing. If Canada cannot why was he not relieved. All roads lead to Tomlin.