Metcalf is $24.5 million against the cap. Courtland Sutton is 17.8. So, no, 10 million wouldn't be enough for either of those two guys. Not saying that I want Metcalf at that price, just giving an example.
What are the odds Cam proves worth $22 mill in 2024?
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1) It ain't your money, but it affects the structure of the team.
2) Bullshlt. It depends on who that someone is.
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That Walter Payton award probably earned him a few more years and a couple of more $$$$$. No?
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I guess he's missing the part where he is 35 and coming off a totally unproductive season. He's acting like he's 27 and coming off a career year. He's not, not even close. Not only did he not just "slink off" with his highway robbery $16 mill, he's demanding more. What a totally greedy *** clown.
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Andrew Whitworth won the Walter Payton award following the 2021 season, and never played another down in the NFL.
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He sure seems to think so.
I don't know quite what you are trying to prove. Where did I ever state Cam would go in there and voluntarily take a pay cut? I never insinuated that in any way, shape or form.
1) Would cutting him affect the structure of the team?
2) And they'd figure it out, like they always do.
So if you don't want guys at that price, what the hell is the point of demanding Cam take a pay cut? Just for the sake of it?
Bullshlt. You were 100% saying how wonderful Cam was, and don't call him a hypocrite for what he said about Ben. If you can't read it in your quotes there, I can't help you.
1) Of course it would. It would save them $16 million dollars, and allow the team to make better additions. Hard to understand?
2) It's easier to figure things out when you have more flexibility.
Man, you can truly be a cretin sometimes. YES, IN TERMS OF THE SALARY CAP AND THE ROSTER AS IT STANDS, I WOULD REPLACE CAM HEYWARD WITH COURTLAND SUTTON IN A HEARTBEAT. I POINTED OUT METCALF AS AN EXAMPLE OF A PLAYER THAT THEY'VE BEEN RUMORED TO HAVE INTEREST IN WHO COULD FINANCIALLY BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT HE WOULDN'T BE MY CHOICE.
I'm rereading this trying to figure out what you are picking a fight over. We should allow Cam time? Wth? How many times did I say the Steelers historically only do things when they have to...that has nothing to do with allowing Cam time. It's just the way they do things. So the idea of getting his contract situation squared away in March was never going to happen.
It seems like you all wanted Cam to go into Rooney's office the day after the season ended and say, "I want to help the team! Cut my salary!" What player would ever do that? It's ridiculous. That isn't defending Cam, that is just pointing out the obvious. Ben didn't do it, either. From what we know he was given an ultimatum and he agreed to it. The Steelers are gonna have to do the same with Cam.
No, Cam told the fans suggesting that he should take a pay cut to go screw themselves. And he's upping the ante. Is Cam going into Rooney's office now and telling him that? No, he isn't. He wants an extension instead. Imagine that.
Yeah, sure man. Let's wait some more and see if Cam does what Ben did. Then when he doesn't, you'll tell me that you never meant to say that either.
I'm a cretin? You are an @sshole just trying to pick a fight. How the hell could Cam be a hypocrite at that time? Wouldn't it be the prudent thing to do to let it play out before you call him a hypocrite? And yes, Cam has been wonderful. But now we are getting a clearer picture. That was the point of everything I said at the time, and you damn well know it.
1) Right now there may not be any better additions to be made, unless you want to trade high draft picks. Save $16 million for what? You'd cut Cam, save $16 million, trade a higher pick for Sutton, and pay him 17+ million? And you think he's gonna come here and not want a rework of his contract?
2) When they need flexibility, they will find it. They have proven that over and over again.
I know he did. I think you should take a pay cut from you employer. What say you?
Did Ben go into Rooney's office and voluntarily ask for a pay cut?
Say what? What the hell are you saying I said or didn't say? Are you drinking or something tonight? I know I never said Cam would do what Ben ultimately did. All I said, and said consistently, was give it time and see how it plays out. Did you just become a fan of this team? You know how they do things. They were never going to deal with Cam's contract until later, because they didn't need to. They only will when/if they need to. That really isn't Cam's call.
give him 2 years, with more upfront this year in the draft 2 of the top 5 DTs who can replace Cam, with similar strength both from the mighty Michigan DL DT/DE Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant, grant could if coached and the weight kept intact be something close to Vince Wilfork, the kid is 6"4 roughly 350, unmovable.
A year under cam and either dl could from learning from Cam, be cornerstones at playing both LE and NG
A year under cam and either dl could from learning from Cam, be cornerstones at playing both LE and NG
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This has nothing to do with Tomlin. It also has nothing to do with who's paying the money. The Steelers are up against the cap ceiling every year. If they're overpaying players, that's less money they have to sign other players that would help the team.
Cam's out of line imo. You are entitled to your opinion.
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Cam has zero leverage, he has to play this season, we got him under contract. He can pound sand but that won't give him a new contract, having a good season would. So he better play his *** off if he wants big money for another couple of years.
There's no reason for the Steeler to renegotiate anything right now, nor it would affect Cam's preparation towards the season to stay at home early at this stage.
There's no reason for the Steeler to renegotiate anything right now, nor it would affect Cam's preparation towards the season to stay at home early at this stage.
For you it probably doesn't have anything to do with Tomlin. For the original poster, the individual who has been harping on this the most, it is. It has to be, when a critique of Heyward is always followed by some comment about being Tomlin's buddy.
I think the Steelers have shown over the years when they want to sign someone, they will make it work. I certainly understand what you are saying, I just feel whatever Cam's salary ends up being will not stop them from signing anyone.
Cam is out of line. I agree. I even agreed during the initial back and forth over this topic that if Cam doesn't take less, like he made comments about Ben doing, he will be a hypocrite. It was just too early in March. However, again, Heyward was being ripped over this as far back as March, before we knew anything about what would happen with his contract, one way or the other. I have defended him. He has been a damn good player and member of the community. I felt that deserved a little respect until we at least see where this contract situation is going. I felt it was way too early to call him a hypocrite. As has always been the case, the Steelers only move on contracts in situations like this when they have to. Up until now they haven't had to. Their lack of being able to get another WR, for example, has nothing to do with Cam Heyward's salary. They may have misjudged the WR market and what they would have to give up in draft capital to get one, and they aren't willing at this point to do that.
Sort of agree but there is one reason to negotiate right now, to free up money so that they can bring in a WR, CB, and a pass rusher for depth. They might be able to do that now but if they snag a higher tier WR after the June cap perimeters hit maybe they are too tight up against the cap. That extra wiggle room might help.
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Can't you negotiate after june* 1st in that case ?
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I was just fun'n around. Half the people on this board were so happy and impressed that he won it. Like it was some football accomplishment of some sort. I am not knocking his off field work here in the community. Just that it has nothing to do with on the field.
Omar needs to sit down with Cam and explain that there is a new sheriff in town. Tell the old fart to either take a pay cut or he is gone. Let some other team pick him up for as some here stated $10-12 mill a year. I am thinking it would be way less than than that though. Probably half of that if he is lucky. Get to work Omar!!!
They can sure. But if they wait they risk that money not being available. Of course there is other avenues to free up money as well so it isn’t that they have to if they don’t want to meet his demands.
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if we offer something like 10M for a new season with only 3M guaranteed, I could live with that
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I agree with everything you say except Cam's salary doesn't prevent us from getting another WR, or any other player for that matter. Yes you can kick money down the road with restructuring contracts, but that comes into effect in future years. You're only able to do that to a certain extent before it destroys any chance at a championship in the future.
I think the Steelers are currently (with a couple of small additions)a likely playoff team like last season and if things break right could win a playoff game. But we're not a Superbowl contender unless we somehow add a fairly big name or two. You can tell which players care about that. At this point I'd sadly have to say Cam isn't one of them.
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