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When do the Steelers tell Ben it’s time to step aside?

So the Claypool drop on 4th and 10 was a circus catch? Dude gets popped from behind, and puts the ball on the ground, costing us. Come on, man. These receivers are, literally, all bark, and no bite. One dude gave up on three routes yesterday, one of which was an int. Regardless of the placement, or throw, what kind of **** is that? From the same guy who has had mental lapses in the past (like leading the league in dropped passes a year ago, to go with like a 50% catch rate). I’m sure he acknowledged it, though, running to the sideline, and patting his chest.
Big apple is right about this: our WRs are seldom wide open. Not saying they should be. But they are for other quarterbacks in other games I watch...at least sometimes. Nothing seems easy for this offense for the last 10 games or so.
 
Ben completed 67% of his throws for nearly 300 yards and had a 7.4 ypa clip… none of that is bad…

yeah they lost and yeah they didn’t put up enough points… but for that to work we need the run game to be better and that means the oline has to be better … its two games in… five games in last year we were running on people and putting up points… its not hard to see this team getting better…

my gosh the line is the most inexperienced in decades and the starting rb and key te are both rookies. .. the wr corps old vet juju is 24 years old… claypool is 23, Wash and dionte are 25…. Its not like there is an old timer here to mentor these guys… the only real vets are Ben, Ebron and mr spitter… who has been here all of two games…

this offense is hyper young… if you didn’t expect growing pains you weren’t being real…
 
Wow...so much Ben hate here. Mind boggling. Horrible OL. Which in turn gives us a horrible running game. Our WRs are soft and lack awareness.....let put the blame on Ben. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO TOO MUCH OF ******* CRIS CARTER. Here is a tid bit of info. If we were going to move on from Ben......we would have already did that by not bringing him back. He is here for the season. If healthy he starts. And that might not be to much longer if our OL keeps letting him get hit like he has.......because they suck.

No hate, just honest opinions.
Whats mind boggling is playing the hate card when views about a player doesn't jive with yours..then there's the name calling.

I don't listen to Chris Carter.
I listened to Ben.

“I just need to be better,” the 39-year-old said. “Right now my play is just not good enough. If I played better, we would have had a chance to win the football game.”
“It’s frustrating because I put a lot of time in, more than I probably ever have,” he said. “I have to get it figured out though, because I am frustrated that I’m not playing well enough. The good news is it’s still early. We have a long road ahead of us and a lot of time to try to get it fixed.”


No you don't have a lot of time to figure it out.
If thats the case then I'd just rather you hand the ball over to Rudolf or Haskins and let them try to figure it out.
 
So where do you think we would be if we didn't bring Ben back? Our offense better? Worse? Same? Do we win any games to this point? Or you simply want to tank the season is your reason for not bringing Ben back?
No my point is if you are not competing for a championship what is the point. You are better off seeing what you really have for qb on the roster. If it's not good enough yes you will have a premium pick next year. I don't like living in the middle. Particularly the lower middle where they've been the last 3 seasons.
 
No my point is if you are not competing for a championship what is the point. You are better off seeing what you really have for qb on the roster. If it's not good enough yes you will have a premium pick next year. I don't like living in the middle. Particularly the lower middle where they've been the last 3 seasons.
Because I truly believe with some time this offense could be very good and if we get our guys back on defense soon we could compete for one this year. I would rather struggle now and gel later instead of win now and fall apart later.
 
This is exactly why I said to NOT take a RB in the 1st. A great RB behind a **** line results in a piss poor running attack, while an average RB behind a great line results in a decent running attack. This team is now going to waste 2-3 years of Harris’ 5 year rookie deal, that’s provided he does get hurt badly.

You ALWAYS build everything from the bottom up, the foundation is the most important part, and that is what the OL is.
 
Because I truly believe with some time this offense could be very good and if we get our guys back on defense soon we could compete for one this year. I would rather struggle now and gel later instead of win now and fall apart later.
Don’t underestimate the possibility of a Tomlin run team struggling now AND falling apart later.
 
Don’t underestimate the possibility of a Tomlin run team struggling now AND falling apart later.
History says it is one or the other with him and we are more likely to do well if we start slow. Let me keep my optimistic view damn it. If we all believe, they will win, just like with tinker bell!
 
History says it is one or the other with him and we are more likely to do well if we start slow. Let me keep my optimistic view damn it. If we all believe, they will win, just like with tinker bell!


I hope you are talking Peter Pan and NOT LeVeon..................................................



I too have faith this line gets better and as the line increases so will the rest, including the New OC.




Salute the nation
 
This is exactly why I said to NOT take a RB in the 1st. A great RB behind a **** line results in a piss poor running attack, while an average RB behind a great line results in a decent running attack. This team is now going to waste 2-3 years of Harris’ 5 year rookie deal, that’s provided he does get hurt badly.

You ALWAYS build everything from the bottom up, the foundation is the most important part, and that is what the OL is.
If we were thinking correctly, we could have traded for or signed a vet back and taken a solid first round RT … but hey Harris has skills… and i think the line will be gelled in a couple more games… the agressive style they are playing isn’t as technical as some of the more passive styles… and that left side are very aggressive runblockers…
 
Ok, I gotta pipe in here.....

1) Big Biker is our best/only option at QB. Reindeer and Redskin Castoff are not the answer. They never will be.
2) Big Biker, while 39 years old, can still sling it. His arm, does in fact, look better/healthier than last year. Is he 25 again? No. But it's FAR from looking like Marino's final year.
3) Our O-Line's pass protection is far better than it's run blocking, but our O-Line has no continuity and will continue to be a work in progress. I'm not saying we have 5 All-Pros, not saying we have 5 jobbers. I'm saying we have 5 we have no idea what we have because they've played 2 games together. ALL current and former serviceable to great lines need time to gel and become one cohesive unit.
4) Pump the breaks on all the doom and gloom or the glass is half full talk. We're two games into the season. We don't know what we have because we beat a team that we probably should have lost to, and lost to a team we should have beaten handily.......based on what we thought from what we saw LAST YEAR. We don't quite know who "the players and pretenders" are quite yet. Still too early.

Now, with all of that as a caveat, I want to interject something I've brought up previously in years past. All those who are criticizing Ben, are doing it for what I feel are the wrong reasons.
The problem with Ben is his unwillingness to leave his comfort zone, to learn something new, to change those bad habits, to not listen to his OC, to not run the play that's called.
I said in another thread, jokingly, after the Bills game "I thought Canada's offense saw the QB under center as the base formation/more frequently than we've been accustomed to". I think I've seen Ben take 2 snaps under center.
Are the coaches abandoning the run game and calling all passes? Is Ben changing runs to passes because of what he's seeing? Do we not have enough run plays out of the shotgun?
It's impossible to set-up play action passing without the QB being under center.
Years ago when Haley got fired, I got to speak with Bruce Gradkowski regarding. I've also posted about this encounter at the time. Bruce flat out said Ben didn't like Haley's coaching style/play calling. And of course our franchise QB is going to win that battle......and he probably should. That's reasonable.
But remember when Tomlin was hired and Ben's buddy Bruce Arians didn't get the gig. Ben was mad and went out to dinner with Tomlin when he was hired to tell him how things should be.
After Haley was jettisoned, it was Fichtner to appease Ben, so Ben could do what he wanted.
Now it's Canada and it still looks like Fichtner because it looks like Ben's just in the shotgun ALL game long, EVERY single game.
Forget Ben's "tells" about what kind of play is coming run vs pass. Staying in shotgun the ENTIRE game EVERY series is tell enough.
I think our OCs, sans Haley, have been hamstrung by Ben's inability to do things their way instead of his way.
Say what you want, I think Haley was as big of a douche as the next guy, but his system kept Ben upright and his best statistical season. Yeah, I know, he had a better line and a run game, too. I absolutely concede that. No argument.
And no, I am not a Tomlin defender. He needs to go before Ben does. He lets the inmates run the asylum, and that's ultimately why we are where we are. He has ZERO control over this team, his coaching staff, or his players. Because it's the Steelers/Rooneys, he sadly will not be going anywhere until he wants to, though.
But we're watching Ben cling tight to what he already knows and what he's comfortable with and NOT Canada's playbook.
We either should have kept both Ben and Fichtner, or we should have let Ben walk with Fichtner. Because right now we have a hybrid of the old regime and the new. And maybe that's the plan for life after Ben, to have Canada's playbook and terminology starting to be implemented for the next QB that Canada can actually "control" and tutor with his system.
Whatever the case may be, this is going to be a fruitless season. We have the ability with our D and Ben to get Tomlin his next not losing season. But don't kid yourself. We're not winning the SB. And if we make the playoffs, it'll look much like last year. Ben wants to keep playing sandlot football. And hey, it's got us 2 more championships for the trophy case. I'm not saying it wasn't effective, or didn't serve Ben/Steelers/us well for all these years. We lived and thrived with it for years. But I reiterate. Ben isn't 25 anymore. He's slower. His body took SO many shots early in his career when we had crappy lines before and Arians doing him in with 7 and 10 step drops. But he's not adapting to new techniques/ideas to prolong his career. He wants to go out on his terms doing what he did best and what he knows he can do because he's already done it.
So we're seeing the swan song for 25 years old in the head/39 year old in the body Ben.
It'll be ride, that's for sure.
 
It's so early. I don't know what it will be come October, for example. I think with the young OL we always had to give it time. We are so quick to anoint or crush with one win or one loss. Haven't we learned by now that what you look like in early Sept may not be at all what you look like later.

I don't have any great hope for them, nor do I think it is just going to be a disaster. I'm willing to let it play out for a bit before I make any declarations. Anyway, what the hell else can we do?
We are 2-6 our last 8 games going back to last season. Our offense looks eerily similar. If we lose to the Bungles this week I'd say it's time to panic. Just the fact that it's even a possibility is reason for concern.
 
Ben got a “pec injury” that came up after the game. Hmmm, sooner than we thought?
 
The most frustrating thing for me is seeing crappy teams w/ bad QBs still moving the ball and putting up points. The Texans were supposed to be a train wreck, but Tyrod w/ only 1 WR looked good until Tyrod got hurt. Darnold, Bridgewater, Heinicke, etc etc have all been doing well. I just have to believe alot of our struggles are simply poor coaching.
 
No. We are not pulling a NY. He came back, he is healthy, we ride.
I only would think of pulling Ben because of injury and know you have that trump card to pull out that will give the team a spark. It worked for the Denver Broncos and Brock Osweiler.... heck, maybe someone will think Rudolph is worth a ridiculous sum of money and screw themselves - but we live and die this year with Big Ben.
 
The most frustrating thing for me is seeing crappy teams w/ bad QBs still moving the ball and putting up points. The Texans were supposed to be a train wreck, but Tyrod w/ only 1 WR looked good until Tyrod got hurt. Darnold, Bridgewater, Heinicke, etc etc have all been doing well. I just have to believe alot of our struggles are simply poor coaching.
Agreed here. We know what is coming. We have too much talent. There absolutely must be a way of exploiting weaknesses against defense. The status quo just isn't going to magically work itself out.
 
Ben got a “pec injury” that came up after the game. Hmmm, sooner than we thought?
I called this much earlier in the year. If Ben is not getting it done, he will NOT be benched, he will have an injury that allows him to go on IR. At the end of the year, he will then ride off into the sunset, without being shamed by a benching.
 
I know these guys are pros and get paid a ton as such.

But I feel, if you’re going to get paid millions or six figures. Take pride and put out a decent product for the fans.

Not a knock on Ben. This goes for every player and coach.
 
I know these guys are pros and get paid a ton as such.

But I feel, if you’re going to get paid millions or six figures. Take pride and put out a decent product for the fans.

Not a knock on Ben. This goes for every player and coach.
To be truthful, I don't think anyone is lacking in giving effort.

My biggest area of contention is with the offense clearly knowing what the defense is going to do every week and not exploiting them for it. It would be one thing if the team lacked talent at skill position, but they simply do not. They have an abundance.

At heart, as an athlete (or used to be when younger), I know that the game is often won or lost with the guys who don't make the headlines or make the splash plays.

My former HS Basketball coach in Junior year (who went on to coach professionally) elevated me to starter for the 2nd half and next game because he recognized what I was doing and noted it was the best I had played. And it wasn't because I was scoring as I had multiple games where I scored more. I just was doing the little things on both sides of the court that nudged us to win - the unexpected screen on the baseline that left our best shooter with all day to sink a 3, the rebound that I didn't get but tipped away and toward teammate, the foul that covered for a teammate's gamble and the point it cost them as they didn't make free throws in a 1 point win. And I sunk a couple shots when they came about organically.

For the wideouts, do everything JuJu does. Pay attention, run back to the ball, and don't make it about your performance. Johnson and Claypool have massive play making ability, but do the things that help Ben help them and each will get a chance to shine.

For the OL: I want to see the line play to their strength of being young. They have a burst that wasn't there last year, so smack the DL in the face. If they are going to beat you, make em earn it with an extra hit - I like this from Kendrick Green. I do believe when Zach Banner is healthy (if - praying) he's got that attitude and size to be a leader and a mean, tough son of a gun. And as undisciplined as it sounds and hurtful as a 15 yard penalty can be, don't waste it by spitting on someone Trai Turner. At least get your 15 yards worth with a hit that makes someone think twice.

And take pride in protecting your QB. If he is hit, and he will be, make sure they pay for every hit on Big Ben. That's a benefit of being young - USE IT.
 
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To answer the original question, I believe Ben will let the Steelers know, rather than the other way around.
 
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