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Which WR is more deserving of the Hall of Fame: Hines Ward or Antonio Brown?

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Franco Harris first coined the term “Steelers Wing” during his Hall of Fame induction speech in 1990 and it turned out to be even more prophetic than he imagined. Since the induction of Joe Greene, no team can rival the magnitude of players, coaches, and contributors who have played a major role in Pittsburgh Steelers lore who have joined the hallowed ranks of NFL legends now immortalized in Canton.

The question to Steeler Nation of who will be next has been buzzing and, in this installment, we will examine the status of the often debated topic: Which WR was better between Hines Ward an Antonio Brown?



Hines Ward


Ward’s case for the Hall of Fame has proven to be a challenging one so far. The “Steeler Fatigue” bias is very real and in 5 years, he has never been one of the 15 finalists. When objectively evaluating by era, Ward has two main competitors with similar cases and production (Reggie Wayne and Tory Holt) who have both twice been finalists. Statistically, Ward has the numbers to merit consideration, with a resume that includes being a 4x Pro Bowler, 3x All-Pro, 2x-Super Bowl Champion and Super Bowl XL MVP. An additional problem is the backlog at WR is growing with Andre Johnson, Steve Smith Sr., and Anquan Boldin (all with more receptions and yards) having their first year of eligibility in 2022.

Why should Ward be in the Hall of Fame: Ward was the absolute best blocking WR in the NFL, ever. Ward’s blocking helped the Steelers rush for nearly 129 yards per game from 1998-2011 – only 2 teams averaged more yards rushing per game. His downfield blocking was so physical, they implemented and named a rule after him. He put the team first and brought the intangibles. He was only the 8th WR to attain 1,000 receptions, but it was his performance when it counted that matters. Ward had 244 receiving yards in his three Super Bowl appearances, seventh-most ever in the Super Bowl – despite being limited by a sprain to his right knee in Super Bowl XLIII. In addition to winning Super Bowl XL MVP, he retired 2nd only to Jerry Rice in playoff receptions (88) and yards (1,181) in addition to 10 TDs.



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Why Ward won’t make the Hall of Fame: If Ward is snubbed, one will have to question how much of it will come to an anti-Steelers bias vs. reality perception. Ward’s most productive years statistically, did not happen with Ben Roethlisberger at QB, but when Tommy Maddox was under center. From 2004-2010, the Steelers run-to-pass ratio was 3,560 rushes/3,169 passes. Although he finished his career with six 1,000-yard seasons, it easily could have been 8 (finishing 2005/2006 with 975 yards). The Steelers won frequently during those years and Ward was an integral part of the Steelers’ success, but will that success translate to the voters appreciation that Hines Ward was the primary WR – 25% of the passing offense – on a team that reached the Super Bowl 3x and won it twice?

Precedents: Ward was the key WR for a 2x Super Bowl Champion (a 3rd would really have helped), and fits into the category of being consistently the best WR on championship level teams like Art Monk and Andre Reed.






Antonio Brown


From 2013-2018, Antonio Brown was setting a pace at WR that rivaled Jerry Rice and it seemed like nothing could slow him down. He broke the 100 catch/1,000-yard benchmark 6 consecutive years, twice leading the NFL in yards and twice leading in receptions. Roethlisberger led the NFL in passing yards twice as the offense became far more about the passing game than earlier in Big Ben’s career. In the 8 seasons from 2011-2018, the Steelers had a run-to-pass ratio of 3,242 rushes/4,776 passes. 10 years after entering the league, in 2014, Roethlisberger completed more passes (408) than he attempted in 2004 (295). The Roethlisberger/Brown duo combined for 78 TDs (6th best all-time) and bested the Roethlisberger/Ward combo of 46 TDs. Brown was unstoppable, that is, until he came off the rails and the entitlement issues that caused him to go AWOL were exposed. The Brown divorce from Pittsburgh was ugly as he quit on the team in 2018 and was triggered by not winning the team MVP.



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Why Brown should be in the Hall of Fame: Despite his bizarre behavior, the public loves the flashy stats, and the big plays and Brown had a load of them. Like it or not, on paper, Antonio Brown has the numbers and now he has a Super Bowl (albeit as a role player). If his reputation is repaired enough to get the benefit of the voters, he’ll be the least celebrated Steeler in the Hall and not part of the “Steelers Wing.

Why Brown won’t make the Hall of Fame: If Hines Ward’s numbers aren’t good enough to put him in right now, Brown may not be able to surpass them enough to merit induction. His off-the-field antics cost him 2 years of the prime of his career and as he enters 2021 at 33-years old, he is entering the twilight years of his career and a time when most WRs see their production decline. And who is to say where the benchmark is when Brown is eligible. His final numbers could really be lost in the pack.

Precedents: Brown fits the category of Randy Moss and Terrell Owens, guys with outstanding numbers that were valued more over their history of being an off the field disruption with multiple teams.






Prediction – I would give Hines Ward a 75% chance of being inducted, but he could very easily be passed over similar to the likes of Cliff Branch. On the other hand, I just can’t get past the voters love of statistics and think if one of the two will make it, it’s going to be Antonio Brown. That would be a crime, as it really emphasizes the individual rewards over the team-first/championship mentality.



Who was better, Hines Ward or Antonio Brown? Should one, both, or neither get inducted? Share your thoughts in comment section below.

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Wow.
Never realized this would even be debatable.

Ward was the absolute best blocking WR in the NFL, ever.

That alone makes his case IMO.
Put aside his numbers, pro bowls, etc. for a moment. This was a wide receiver giving his all putting his heart into every play.
 
Brown was one of the most dominant WRs ever, while Ward was never seriously considered among the absolute best at his position.

I understand people's hate toward Brown, but he was just on another level for awhile.
 
Ya, for me Brown's stats are amazing and even they don't necessarily convey the kind of effect he had on the field. Brown got those numbers when he was quite often the primary focus of the defense. Ward was not often considered the primary risk. He was crazy dependable, but I don't think teams worried about him breaking the game open.

BUT, Hines Ward was not only amazingly dependable, he is the best blocking WR to ever play the game. Ward not only helped his team gain hundreds of yards on the ground over the years with his blocking, he caused safeties and linebackers around the league to "hear footsteps" whenever they lost track of Ward on a running play. For me, that is a significant effect on the game and thus worthy of the hall.

For example, there are plenty of linebackers in more recent eras that have quite a few more sacks, tackles, forced fumbles etc. than Lawrence Taylor, but NOBODY in their right mind thinks anyone is a better linebacker than LT. In some cases, the stats are the smallest part of the story.
 
Brown was one of the most dominant WRs ever, while Ward was never seriously considered among the absolute best at his position.

I understand people's hate toward Brown, but he was just on another level for awhile.

Keyword being awhile. You don't get into the HOF based on what you did for a while, while also ******** on the league like he did. Amazing or not, he's not a HOFer.
 
remeber Coach Tomlin fed Brown the ballo to keep certain streaks alive so that added to his allure. Hines just went out there and ******* hit you in the jaw...... Ask Bengals LB Rivers about the "jaw dropping" hits WARD can put on yaz............................

Hines Ward definately over little chest.


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eKeyword being awhile. You don't get into the HOF based on what you did for a while, while also ******** on the league like he did. Amazing or not, he's not a HOFer.

They put Terrell Davis in despite having only three good seasons.

Brown had a five year stretch that was as good as any WR has EVER had.

Also, I'm not sure that having disputes with a couple teams equates to "******** on the league." If he doesn't get in, it will be because of the career stats falling short, combined with the the lack of a ring. Not that.
 
They put Terrell Davis in despite having only three good seasons.

Brown had a five year stretch that was as good as any WR has EVER had.

Also, I'm not sure that having disputes with a couple teams equates to "******** on the league." If he doesn't get in, it will be because of the career stats falling short, combined with the the lack of a ring. Not that.

"Disputes"? Nah, just some minor disagreements.

He was disruptive and a locker room cancer, highly unbecoming of a professional.

He **** on the league. He said so himself.

 
Ward. Super Bowl MVP. 1000 career catches. I think everyone with 1000 catches who is eligible is in the HOF.
 
anyone that dares ask that question deserves to be sent to the pit of misery! Dilly, Dilly!
 
They put Terrell Davis in despite having only three good seasons.

Brown had a five year stretch that was as good as any WR has EVER had.

Also, I'm not sure that having disputes with a couple teams equates to "******** on the league." If he doesn't get in, it will be because of the career stats falling short, combined with the the lack of a ring. Not that.
I’d argue 4, right up to his knee injury. But it’s the Super Bowls, MVP, Super Bowl MVP, 2000 yards that mattered, otherwise Chris Johnson and Jamal Lewis would be candidates
 
They both deserve to get in and it just depends on what you value more.

Ward was a face of the franchise type player for the Steelers. While everyone recognized the toughness and physical play of the defense, Ward represented all of that for the Steelers offense. Though never recognized as a top receiver talent in the league, no one ever denied that he was one of the biggest tone setters. The most feared receiver in the league not for his size or speed, but for his physical style of play. Six 1,000 yard seasons and just missed out on two more by 25 yards each (played in 15 and 14 games, respectively) and did this on one of the most dominating rush offenses of the era. Big standout in the playoffs as well ranking in the top 10 all-time in receptions, yards, and touchdowns as well as a Super Bowl MVP.

If you're talking pure talent, you cannot deny Brown. There was a five year stretch where he was the best in the league and arguably a top 3 wide receiver of all-time. At least in the conversation if he continued to produce. He was impossible to defend and made spectacular catches. He had seven seasons with 1,000 yards or more and six seasons with over 100 receptions. Led the league in receptions, yards, or receiving touchdowns 5 times.

Brown will get in quicker than Ward, but they are both very deserving and should both be in the Hall of Fame one day.
 
"Disputes"? Nah, just some minor disagreements.

He was disruptive and a locker room cancer, highly unbecoming of a professional.

He **** on the league. He said so himself.


Nothing worse than what Terrell Owens did, though Owens had the career production to compensate.

With that being said, Brown was arguably the greatest WR of his era and has the same career production as Calvin Johnson, who just went in first ballot.

I'm honestly not expecting Brown to get in, but he no doubt should, probably on the first try, if there was any consistency in the voting process.
 
Both will get in… Ward will take time, like stallworth or swann. It won’t surprise me if Brown ends up in first, but i think he will get penalized like TO did for being an *******…

Ward was the best blocking wr of his era and played on a runcentric team. He also put up great possession numbers and had a super bowl mvp

brown was the best wideout in the nfl through his prime… six seasons of amazing play gets you in
 
Ward is unquestionably hurt from anti Steelers bias.

Surprising no one has asked but the # of players coaches and contributors who had significant contributions as a Steeler is at 27 — and that doesn’t count Dick LeBeau.

Some voters have made up their minds period. Seriously that’s the only reason Faneca had to wait 6 years as finalist and Hutchinson got in first
 
Forget numbers.
Forget stats.
Forget everything about them off the field.
Forget every argument in this thread for either guy and simply ask yourself this question…..

Team’s in the SB.
Game’s on the line.
Who would you rather have out there in their prime?

The answer to that riddle is Hines and it’s not even close.
 
Hines hand down. Brown put up great stats for a few years but turned into a diva and never really won anything.
 
Wow.
Never realized this would even be debatable.

Ward was the absolute best blocking WR in the NFL, ever.

That alone makes his case IMO.
Put aside his numbers, pro bowls, etc. for a moment. This was a wide receiver giving his all putting his heart into every play.
Best blocking WR which impacted the way the game is played.

Put up respectful stats in a run first offense with the likes of Kordell and Maddox.
SBXL mvp and 2011 dancing with the stars winner.

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Weird hair, great route runner. Rides Tom Brady
 
Forget numbers.
Forget stats.
Forget everything about them off the field.
Forget every argument in this thread for either guy and simply ask yourself this question…..

Team’s in the SB.
Game’s on the line.
Who would you rather have out there in their prime?

The answer to that riddle is Hines and it’s not even close.



EXACTLY, little chest created as much internal distress as success on the field. When BEN ROETHLISBERGER was not on the field of play, little chest disappeared, not the mark of HOF material.




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