Maybe in college. But in the NFL very difficult to build a roster that continually overcomes coaching. Because with this teams broken philosophy the majority of games becomes when necessary. It isn't just sporadically here and there.
Why is Matt Canada employed?
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I fully agree. But even with a different coach, that has to happen. Talent makes coaches look good. Did Noll forget how to coach in the '80s? I understand this coaching staff sucks. But they need better talent too.
Of course talent can improve. Omar and the gang will have their chance to put their postage stamp on the team. And sure closer games can temporarily make us all warm and fuzzy.
They were competitive for a half. Canaduh blew his load for a game with his play calling and went back to his usual nonsense play calls. We were going 3 and out while the Bungholes were taking the lead and we never had a realistic chance to catch them at that point - at least not with Canaduh calling plays. If Ben were in there in the 2nd half, we win that game because he would have called his own plays.
Bengals' LB Germaine Pratt says the Steelers' offense is too predictable.
"We knew what they were going to do. They like to do the same plays over and over."
Please fire Canaduh! How many opposing teams are going to say this crap about our O before someone gets a clue?
"We knew what they were going to do. They like to do the same plays over and over."
Please fire Canaduh! How many opposing teams are going to say this crap about our O before someone gets a clue?
I have no need to be warm and fuzzy. This team cannot win a championship. I have no illusions that they are even close. I would like to see them to compete hard. If they win, they win. If not, so be it.
It is all we have until there is changes.
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Yesterday showed all our coaches are suspect. We play competitive first half Tomlin laughs on sidelines when we get a procedure call on extra point. Second half the grin was gone. Cincy makes changes and takes over the game, we made no changes and really out played and coached, the last TD of ours was junk, Cincy cared less let the seconds go by. The ugly picture of can't tackle, can't get separation, can't block can't cover as their receivers were wide open way too many times, all came alive in the second half. Tomlin had that lost look all second half, Canda play calls on first down was just a hope and a prayer.
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True. The Steelers drafted dead last 4 times in the 1970,s, and close to last multiple times. The reloading after the stars vot old and retired happened in the 1980's
By the time Cowher took over in the team was trending up again.
He took that culture and mindset and set it back on fire.
Watt wasn't the reason that D was atrocious. He played well enough, the secondary didn't. Perhaps a competent DC could scheme the D to allow less than 30.
Unless well you are on that choo choo.
Look I am not defending Canada nor do I absolve him of all blame, but at this point we must acknowledge that the issues on O run deeper than the OC because its been years of the same ****… overreliance on base plays, telegraphing plays by overly specific personal and a fear of slants and intermediate crossing routes tracks back to Arians … though there was some years of improvement under Haley…
We expect Tomlin to fire Canada for doing exactly what Tomlin wants..
Remember, just three years ago our oc and dc coordinators both coached with Tomlin at football powerhouses Memphis and Arkansas State, and our STCoordinator used to coach at Tomlin’s alma mater its either nepotism or micromanager control thats driving hires here… not innovative collaboration
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What about our third coach........................ what has he done?
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Tomlin has been running the D since even LeBeau's last year or two. Everyone knows that. And, sure, he has his hands all over the O as well. To the same extent as the D and for how long are the 2 questions. He has also been heavily involved in draft picks especially more recently. The longer he is here, the more power Rooney seems to give him or allow him to take. Rooney has to step up and make the hard decisions here but we all know that ain't happening any time soon.
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he is not healthy. His injury is limiting him. Didn't blame him for ****. Just saying he doesn't look like his usual terrorizing self. The part saying he's not 100% or even 80% should be a dead giveaway.Watt wasn't the reason that D was atrocious. He played well enough, the secondary didn't. Perhaps a competent DC could scheme the D to allow less than 30.
Unless well you are on that choo choo.
Yeah if you believe that. I just think he was rusty getting his legs back. I think he is 100 percent healthy. If anything that T was mugging him and some holding calls wasn't called.
One of the staples of Canada's offense, the jet sweep, can sometimes be put to good use in college, when you have a pronounced athletic advantage over the defense. It's nowhere near as effective in the NFL, because practically every player on the field is an exceptional athlete. So sick of Sims getting tackled behind the line of scrimmage seemingly every week.
Then it takes them until the fourth quarter (after four 3-and-outs in the third) to get a first down...a nice 3rd down completion to Pickens (of course on a ball thrown 25+ yards downfield when they only needed 4 yards, but I digress). You think just maybe Kenny is finally going to get in a rhythm -- then they botch a goddamn flea-flicker, run it up the middle on second down (surprise surprise) for a loss of 2, and get sacked on 3rd-and-12 when everyone in the stadium knows they're going to pass.
Just stop it with the nonsense already.
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That set of plays was really pathetic
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I hear what you are saying but it took 10 of the 11 to be 1st rounders on defense to pull Coach Tomlin's *** out of the dumpster fire on defense a couple years ago. That translates to 20 of the 22 starters and I'm pretty sure that isn't happening.
Chuk Noll was a coach and a dang good one that had both sides of the ball plus pretty good talent evaluation. Tomlin isn't in the same catagory as Chuck.
It does take time to reload a team but today's tactics can make that happen so much faster yet here we are with less than a 1/4 team of legitimate starters and wanting for years.
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I agree. I guess I am just dealing with reality. As much as Tomlin and his staff need to be fired, we all know it isn't gonna happen. The best we can hope for is that the FO forces him to hire better coaches. I guess if getting all 1st rounders is what is needed for success, well, with Tomlin running the show that's what has to happen.
I wasn't comparing Chuck Noll and Mike Tomlin. There is no comparison. What I am saying though is a coach, any coach, needs talent to have success. The coaches we look at as the best over the years had great talent. You cannot escape that. It is what helped to make them great. Chuck Noll was the first to admit that. If he would have listened to the "experts" and drafted Terry Hanratty 1st in '69 or traded the #1 the next year or something, or didn't listen to his scouts and drafted Robert Newhouse in '72 where would Chuck Noll be in the pantheon of coaching greats? He deserves the credit for making those decisions, but it was the talent of those guys that put him in the HOF.
We don't shy away from the challenge of Matt Canada. That is for the weak minded. We embrace the challenge to lead men into battle. Obviously we have had some challenges, such as life in the NFL. We will continue to work on fundamentals to exact the kind of outcomes that we desire...
Because coach cool shades doesnt make in-game adjustments, or half-time adjustments, or mid-season adjustments, or off-season adjustments (unless forced to by ownership).
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Tomlin too many times takes the lazy way out with hiring coaches.
Rather than explore outside the organization he promotes guys to coordinator that have no business in that position. He also brings in retreads like Austin who stunk in Cincinnati.
I’m thinking more and more that he really can’t attract quality coaches and with Flores which came as a surprise, you wonder how much in demand he was. Don’t even know what he does outside of coaching Linebackers.
For the life of me I do not know one thing that Tomlin does really well outside of cheerleading and bullshit talk.
Rather than explore outside the organization he promotes guys to coordinator that have no business in that position. He also brings in retreads like Austin who stunk in Cincinnati.
I’m thinking more and more that he really can’t attract quality coaches and with Flores which came as a surprise, you wonder how much in demand he was. Don’t even know what he does outside of coaching Linebackers.
For the life of me I do not know one thing that Tomlin does really well outside of cheerleading and bullshit talk.
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Agree with this. Arguably, almost the entirety of Tomlin's career at Pittsburgh, particularly post Lebeau and Haley, has been a situation of talent overcoming questionable coaching. The more the players and coaches from the Cowher era have moved on the more obvious it became. Now, with the vestiges of the previous era gone we are left with the Tomlin and crew shitshow. Outside of natural talent elevating certain players, the coaching is not only not good, but it is an actual detriment to progress and development.