Would you rather?

[fedderone]

Pickett at #20, if we waited til #52 to draft a QB then we wouldn't have got Pickens in the 2nd, meaning we'd still be chasing and forced to draft a WR in the 3rd and we wouldn't have Demarvin Leal. So being that we drafted the best QB rdy in this draft, got a solid WR in the 2nd and solid DE in the 3rd, I think it actually played out perfectly for us.

Too much butterfly effect.
We could have taken McDuffie or Elam at CB, or Linderbaum or Smith on the O-Line. Both of these positions are of need, and would have been upgrades.
I'd say Wyatt at D-Line, but word was he was off our board.
Then in the 2nd, I believe we'd still have our choice of QB, including Pickett.
Obviously, we have no way of knowing this, but Pickett being the only QB taken in the first two rounds, and not until #20, says A LOT about what ALL the teams thought of QBs this year. And there are teams that are in far worse shape than us at QB before the draft.
But even if Pickett is off the board, we still have choice of QBs other than Pickett or can still take Pickens....maybe.
Again, hard to say what happens if we don't take Pickett and then the butterfly effect starts.
But I believe now, as I believe before the draft, that Mitch Trubisky is NOT the answer ( he could be, but I don't think he's a franchise ), but I don't think any of this crop of QBs from the draft are either.
We now have a room full of bridge QBs - Trubisky, Rudolph, Pickett, and Oladokun.

 

[diver]

This talk of bridge QBs and franchise guys...what is that really? At the end of the day, outside of Brady, Ben got 2, Wilson got 1 so far, Manning got 2, Marino got none. I know there are a lot more, but those guys just popped in my head. Between Ben, Manning, Wilson and Marino, that's gotta be around 60 years of effort with 5 Super Bowls. To me that says it is still the team around the QB. Better team, QB looks a lot better.

I don't get all worked up over some definition of bridge guy or franchise guy. I really think you can compete and win a Super Bowl with a guy at QB who might be a tick below what someone would call franchise if you surround him with a talented team.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Bryce Young probably will be number 1 overall. Good luck with the Steelers being able to jump up to that position in any given year.

32 to 1 is costly indeed!!!

 

[SteelerFan448]

Too much butterfly effect.
We could have taken McDuffie or Elam at CB, or Linderbaum or Smith on the O-Line. Both of these positions are of need, and would have been upgrades.
I'd say Wyatt at D-Line, but word was he was off our board.
Then in the 2nd, I believe we'd still have our choice of QB, including Pickett.

Which combination do you pick?

1. McDuffie/Elam and Pickett
2. Linderbaum/Smith and Pickett
3. Pickett and Pickens

 

[Drink IRON City]

To be fair, both Brees and Brady came out of college with an arm rated worse than Pickett… both of them really developed the arm that got them to the hof around the age of 25. And Pickett is average in almost everything… many qbs come out with sub average grades in areas. Mayfield had below average height and threw into coverage too much…

Anyone trying to tie Pickett to mayfield in any way is just wrong… Pickett may fail at the nfl level, but it wont be for any of the reasons mayfield did in Cleveland…

Most rookie qbs are 23… 24 isn’t ideal but its not outrageous either… especially since he already has a firm base in nfl qb training

Remember playing qb in the pros is absolutely diffthan college. One of the biggest transitions is learning pro style reads and technique. Pickett is agead of the curve there… while that may mean he doesn’t have giant leaps to make that contain untapped potential like some of these guys, it also means he is more of a good bet to be able to play nfl style qb with less risk of him being a total bust

Great post madinsoniac, thank you

Don't have much to add but want to stress that in the PRO level the opponents players are all best of the best compared to what Kenny faces in college. Yes, sure a few college players are great but in the pro's the entire team is GREAT compared to the college team. So he will have to aclimate to the speed of the game and timing of the receiver vs the pass to him. Could be a little growing pain there.


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[fedderone]

Which combination do you pick?

1. McDuffie/Elam and Pickett
2. Linderbaum/Smith and Pickett
3. Pickett and Pickens

Of your choices listed, 2 with Linderbaum.
However, I I could hear arguments for Linderbaum Pickens.
I like the thought of a QB / C coming in together and being together for a decade+.

 

[topseed]

We now have a room full of bridge QBs - Trubisky, Rudolph, Pickett, and Oladokun.

Trubisky and Pickett have some potential. Rudolph and Oladokun are bridges to nowhere.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Trubisky and Pickett have some potential. Rudolph and Oladokun are bridges to nowhere.

a friend of mine said we only took Oladoken to simulate Action Jackson on the scout team. I told him there had to be more to it than that because Coach Tomlin doesn't live in his fears.

We have contained Mr. Action very well and if the new QB can help continue that than OK but still seems like a reach.




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[jitter77]

I think I would have went with Linderbaum/Pickens then took a shot with Malik in the 3rd. Pickett would have most likely been gone by the time we picked in the 2nd. Mitch would get a fair shot, Malik could sit and learn, and our Oline and WR core would have been improved.

 

[ExUSAF]

Problem is we married ourselves to Pickett when there are much better QBs coming out next year and in the future. We got a low ceiling guy that will not be in the same league as the Herbert's, Watson, Mahomes and Allens in the AFC .

Problem is what are the chances we would be able to land one of the premier QBs coming out next year? You know Tomlin is going to plod along and get his 9 - 8 season and get bounced in the first round of the playoffs if they make it at all, putting us back around the 18 - 20 position, which is way too low to get one of the top picks like CJ Stroud or Bryce Young. Who is the QB next year who would be available at #20?

 

[SteelerFan448]

Problem is what are the chances we would be able to land one of the premier QBs coming out next year? You know Tomlin is going to plod along and get his 9 - 8 season and get bounced in the first round of the playoffs if they make it at all, putting us back around the 18 - 20 position, which is way too low to get one of the top picks like CJ Stroud or Bryce Young. Who is the QB next year who would be available at #20?

This is a good point. So many were under the assumption the Steelers were a lock to get their next franchise QB in the 2023 draft.

 

[Wolf44]

Problem is what are the chances we would be able to land one of the premier QBs coming out next year? You know Tomlin is going to plod along and get his 9 - 8 season and get bounced in the first round of the playoffs if they make it at all, putting us back around the 18 - 20 position, which is way too low to get one of the top picks like CJ Stroud or Bryce Young. Who is the QB next year who would be available at #20?, P

There are better options than Pickett coming out. Leary at NC State, QB from Arkansas and there are others who will kill it like Pickett did this year to move from nowhere to the top of the draft like Burrow did at LSU for example. You make great points but picking a mediocre talent at QB in the 1st round hurts your team for years and you know a stubborn poor coach like Tomlin will never admit a mistake and plays them for years ,see Jarvis Jones. Edmunds and Bush.

 

[ExUSAF]

There are better options than Pickett coming out. Leary at NC State, QB from Arkansas and there are others who will kill it like Pickett did this year to move from nowhere to the top of the draft like Burrow did at LSU for example. You make great points but picking a mediocre talent at QB in the 1st round hurts your team for years and you know a stubborn poor coach like Tomlin will never admit a mistake and plays them for years ,see Jarvis Jones. Edmunds and Bush.

Wolf, I don't consider Pickett mediocre until he proves it on the field; and anyone who "kills it" and moves from nowhere to the top of the draft will be out of our reach anyway.

 

[Wolf44]

There are7or 8 QBs coming out that are going to be higher rated than Pickett. There is no way that many are picked in the 1st round. 8 QBs have never been picked on the 1sr round. Pickett is not anything special and we panicked and married ourselves to a mediocre talent that will keep getting us farther and farther behind the Wilson's, Allens, Burrows, Mahomes and Herbert's of the AFC

 

[slashsteel]

There are7or 8 QBs coming out that are going to be higher rated than Pickett. There is no way that many are picked in the 1st round. 8 QBs have never been picked on the 1sr round. Pickett is not anything special and we panicked and married ourselves to a mediocre talent that will keep getting us farther and farther behind the Wilson's, Allens, Burrows, Mahomes and Herbert's of the AFC

A bold statement. Let me know when you want to make a bet of 7 QBs going in the 1st round next year. I know you are projecting but it is an extreme one.

I have thought next year could be special outside the top two probably going 1 and 2 overall. But it is very much a wait and see.

Rare does a late picking team get to have its pick of any QB in a class, so they took a chance. Can't hit a home run if you don't swing.

 

[Drink IRON City]

A bold statement. Let me know when you want to make a bet of 7 QBs going in the 1st round next year. I know you are projecting but it is an extreme one.

I have thought next year could be special outside the top two probably going 1 and 2 overall. But it is very much a wait and see.

Rare does a late picking team get to have its pick of any QB in a class, so they took a chance. Can't hit a home run if you don't swing.

Great post and I love the anology because you are so right on the swing, whether perfect or not.



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[stuntmanmike]

We’re the pittsburgh Steelers we’re not like any other team... Kenny just seems to fit us good bad or ugly.. fits us like a glove pun intended… just like Ben just like terry… I got a good feeling about him I didn’t have before. I’ve gone back and watched some more film he really gets rid of the ball quick… super accurate hes really confident in his arm… once he gets a feel for our receivers he’s going to be tuff… watching him, dare I say, reminded me more of Brady than Ben… the one thing brady does he gets the f*@King ball out no holding it… kenny can take off running if the plays not there and can run an honest RPO offense… I don’t think I’d waited just pull the trigger show him some confidence make him the first rounder. I think those other picks were good values, but you have be vested in your qb I think we are now, full steam ahead!

 

[Wolf44]

Name ONE draft where 7 QBs we're taken in the 1st round .


There are none most ever was 6in the 1983 draft.

 

[slashsteel]

Name ONE draft where 7 QBs we're taken in the 1st round .


There are none most ever was 6in the 1983 draft.

Well you said 7 or 8 rated higher than Pickett. Most would say at worst Pick is a bottom 1 high 2. So that would mean 7 or 8 is worthy of going in 1 right?

 

[Wolf44]

Pickett is not as good as the top QBs coming out next year, that is the entire point but we are stuck with him.

 

[topseed]

Pickett is not as good as the top QBs coming out next year, that is the entire point but we are stuck with him.

And the more intelligent counter-point is that the top QBs coming out next year are most likely going to be top 5 picks, and the Steelers won't have a legitimate chance at taking one of them anyway.

By the way, how did it go last season for the top QBs taken #1 and #2 overall in the 2021 draft?

 

[SteelerFan448]

Pickett is not as good as the top QBs coming out next year, that is the entire point but we are stuck with him.

We know Pickett isn't as highly rated as Young and Stroud currently are going into next year's draft. Those guys are going top 5, a spot where the Steelers won't have a chance at them. Let's get the breakdown of the other 5-6 guys who are going to light it up this year.

 

[Wolf44]

Ok the experts say there will be six QBs take on the first round next year. They all agreed this was a poor QB class. Yet you want to keep holding onto the thinking there are mystery QBs that are going to be better than Pickett. There are already better prospects than Pocket projected to go in the 1st round next year.

As for getting Stroud or Young. Do you really believe even if they could make a trade at a reasonable price that stubborn Tomlin would admit a mistake,LMFAO. We are stuck with Pickett for the next 4 years regardless of any opportunity to get a better QB in the draft.

 

[BamaSteeler52]

This talk of bridge QBs and franchise guys...what is that really? At the end of the day, outside of Brady, Ben got 2, Wilson got 1 so far, Manning got 2, Marino got none. I know there are a lot more, but those guys just popped in my head. Between Ben, Manning, Wilson and Marino, that's gotta be around 60 years of effort with 5 Super Bowls. To me that says it is still the team around the QB. Better team, QB looks a lot better.

I don't get all worked up over some definition of bridge guy or franchise guy. I really think you can compete and win a Super Bowl with a guy at QB who might be a tick below what someone would call franchise if you surround him with a talented team.

Maybe one will be our Trent Dilfer...

 

[diver]

Maybe one will be our Trent Dilfer...

Maybe.

Look, my point is we just don't know one way or the other with Pickett. IO don't know if he'll be special or not. I just object to anyone who states with absolute certainty he'll be average. I would have the same issue if someone said he'll be great. We just don't know.

But also, there have been some "franchise" guys who haven't won all that much. It is no guarantee. It surely helps, no doubt. What's the definition? Ben was called franchise but only won 2 in 18 years. That isn't a shot at Ben, but more trying to define franchise. Manning 2 in 18 or so. Marino, none. Is this definition something we should get worked up about? And if Pickett isn't considered that, it is that big of a deal?