Therefore proof of ID matters to Republicans and those with a sense of decency and fairness.
I had to fix that for you.
Therefore proof of ID matters to Republicans and those with a sense of decency and fairness.
Speaking of calling people morons. I'm not validating his claim. I'm saying it's possible and no one can refute it.
Do try to see the difference.
Well **** Tim, it's possible everybody who meant to vote for Hillary, accidentally voted for Trump and vice versa.
Possibilities and conspiracy theories are for people who don't care to think things through.
Plausibility, Tim, plausability.
In a country where inclement weather significantly impacts voter turnout, do you really think hundreds of thousands or millions of people would be so motivated to give their candidate ONE more vote that they would go through the time, trouble and risk to do it once let alone multiple times?
Logistically, no one has explained how a small group could carry out widespread voter fraud via people posing as registered voters.
Democrats are so upset and worried about this because they KNOW fraudulent votes are big part of their bloc. Cleaning this up is another big nail in their coffin.
Right, just take it from Trump's source a friend of a friend of Bernhard Langer...
Right, just take it from Trump's source a friend of a friend of Bernhard Langer...
My take? Voter fraud is not nearly as serious as Trump believes, and far more prevalent than you believe.
And I return to my point - a concerted effort in 2 states (Michigan, Wisconsin) could change the Presidential election, and involve a total of maybe 35,000 votes, not millions.
Concerted effort by what means? 35,000 Individual fraudulent voters who find the election so important they are willing and able to commit a felony to give their candidate ONE more vote?
Or only several thousands willing to travel to another precinct and wait in line to vote numerous times? Or vote, turn around and get back in line and hope nobody notices?
Nobody seems willing to address the logistics. It seems rather preposterous.
Concerted effort by what means? 35,000 Individual fraudulent voters who find the election so important they are willing and able to commit a felony to give their candidate ONE more vote?
Or only several thousands willing to travel to another precinct and wait in line to vote numerous times? Or vote, turn around and get back in line and hope nobody notices?
Nobody seems willing to address the logistics. It seems rather preposterous.
Bottom-line....left or right, why wouldn't you want valid voting vetting, method and reporting?
Concerted effort by what means? 35,000 Individual fraudulent voters who find the election so important they are willing and able to commit a felony to give their candidate ONE more vote?
Or only several thousands willing to travel to another precinct and wait in line to vote numerous times? Or vote, turn around and get back in line and hope nobody notices?
Nobody seems willing to address the logistics. It seems rather preposterous.
Concerted effort by what means? 35,000 Individual fraudulent voters who find the election so important they are willing and able to commit a felony to give their candidate ONE more vote?
Right now, parties already have hundreds - no, tens of thousands - of volunteers working the phones, driving vans, etc. All an organized party need do is get the list of dead voters still on the voter rolls - something you and I agree is fairly easy - and get 5 men and 5 women of voting age to go to several voting precincts in the same van that is used to transport the elderly and disabled to the polls. These 10 votes at 20 precincts - urban areas, where the polling places are no more than a couple miles apart - total 200 fraudulent votes.
That is one driver and 5 campaign volunteers generate 200 phony votes, all for the candidate of choice.
You seriously believe that one of the two major parties would be unable to get 200 such groups on the road for a Presidential election? 1000 volunteers, and 200 drivers? That's all that is needed, and would yield 40,000 fraudulent votes.
Seriously, 1000 people simply walking up to a registrar, and saying, "Joe Smith, 123 Main St."? You think that is beyond the scope of major political parties with a billion dollars of campaign contributions? Holy ****, they couldn't do something that basic, and yet we are to believe that the same candidates and parties can run health care and regulate every facet of the economy?
Simply? Basic? You can't be serious.
Where are you finding the organizers to risk spearheading this and finding a thousand people that they REALY ******* trust.
How much are you paying thousands of volunteers to (1) commit a felony (2) be loyal and keep their mouth shut (3) be alturistitic and not cash in by blowing the lid off of it.
Why not just ask them to each knock off a bank and turn in the money while you're at it.
If robbing the bank was as easy as walking up to the teller and asking for the money, and having the teller take your word for the fact you are due the money, and the teller did not do **** to see if the money belonged to you, and if you could then just walk out with the money free and clear ...
Your analogy would make sense.
You act as if this is such an extraordinary venture. Yet campaigns spend hundreds of millions, employ thousands, and use tens of thousands of volunteers - and supposedly could not find 1,000 people willing to cast phony ballots???
If getting rich wasn't as easy as blowing the lid off a conspiracy to commit widespread voter fraud...
You act as if people organizing felonies bring in hundreds or thousands of co-conspirators with very little to personally gain all the time. Give an example.