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And it Begins:Special Prosecutor To Investigate Trump And Russia

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Good thing this investigation isn't being run by polls or public perception. Polls lie right?

Usually the longer the investigation, the more material they have to go through. Pretty simple if you can think logically.
 
Good thing this investigation isn't being run by polls or public perception. Polls lie right?

Usually the longer the investigation, the more material they have to go through. Pretty simple if you can think logically.

Yeah, but that investigative group has leaked like a sieve whenever they thought they "had something." Trump, Russia, collusion??

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Seriously, the same group has leaked repeatedly, including all of the following:

  • June 3, 2017: The Associated Press revealed Mueller’s team had taken over a criminal probe of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
  • July 22, 2017: Two sources claiming direct knowledge told Reuters Mueller’s investigators were hoping to use evidence of money laundering or other financial crimes to pressure Manafort to cooperate in the collusion probe.
  • August 3, 2017: Citing "people familiar with the matter," the Wall Street Journal reported a grand jury had been impaneled by Mueller. White House attorney Ty Cobb said at the time he was unaware of the grand jury’s existence.
  • August 9, 2017: The Washington Post reported FBI agents conducted a predawn raid of Manafort’s Virginia home on July 26 to seize documents and other materials related to Mueller’s investigation. According to the Post, people familiar with the search said a warrant sought financial records and the evidence collected included binders Manafort had prepared for his congressional testimony.
  • August 24, 2017: "A source close to the investigation" provided Fox News with new details of the raid of Manafort’s house and claimed it was “heavy-handed, designed to intimidate.”
  • August 25, 2017: "People familiar with the matter" informed the Wall Street Journal that Mueller was investigating Flynn’s involvement in a private effort to obtain Hillary Clinton’s email from Russian hackers.
  • August 28, 2017: According to NBC News, three sources said Mueller’s investigators were focused on Trump’s role in writing a response to media reports about a meeting between campaign officials and Russians at Trump Tower in June 2016.
  • September 1, 2017: The Washington Post reported Mueller’s investigators had a copy of a draft letter prepared by Trump aide Stephen Miller to justify the firing of Comey in May 2017.
  • September 20, 2017: Emails reportedly turned over to Mueller’s team and Senate investigators leaked to the Washington Post revealed that Manafort offered to provide private briefings to a Russian billionaire with ties to the Kremlin during the 2016 campaign.
  • October 4, 2017: Reuters cited three "sources familiar with the investigation" saying that Mueller’s team had taken over the FBI’s inquiries into a dossier of allegations regarding Trump’s Russia ties compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele. Two officials also reportedly told Reuters Mueller was looking into whether Manafort or others helped the Kremlin target hacking efforts and social media posts to influence the election.
  • October 27, 2017: "Sources briefed on the matter" told CNN that the first charges in Mueller’s investigation had been filed under seal. The following Monday, charges were unsealed Manafort and campaign aide Robert Gates, as well as a guilty plea by former adviser George Papadopoulos.
  • November 5, 2017: NBC News reported multiple sources said Mueller had enough evidence to bring charges against Flynn and his son. According to NBC, the FBI was also investigating a possible effort by Flynn to extradite a Muslim cleric in the U.S. whom Turkish President Recep Erdogan blamed for a coup attempt.
  • November 16, 2017: The Wall Street Journal cited a "person familiar with the matter" reporting that Mueller's team had subpoenaed Russia-related documents from Trump's campaign, including documents and emails written by several campaign officials.
  • December 2, 2017: Multiple "people familiar with the matter" told the Washington Post that former top counterintelligence official Peter Strzok was removed from Mueller’s team because of anti-Trump texts between him and an FBI attorney with whom he was having an affair. Details of many of those texts, which were under investigation by the Department of Justice Inspector General’s Office, have since been leaked to various media outlets.
  • January 2, 2018: A source detailed the physical characteristics, clothing, race, and gender of grand jury members to the New York Post and alleged that the grand jury room “looks like a Bernie Sanders rally.”
  • February 17, 2018: CNN cited anonymous sources stating that Gates was close to negotiating a plea deal with Mueller and that new charges against Manafort were being prepared. Less than a week later, Gates entered a guilty plea to conspiracy and lying to the FBI, and a superseding indictment was filed against Manafort.
  • February 27, 2018: CNN reported that three "people familiar with the matter" said Mueller had recently questioned witnesses about Trump’s business activities in Russia and negotiations surrounding a potential Trump Tower in Moscow.
  • February 28, 2018: An unnamed former Trump campaign aide told CNNMueller’s team asked about comments former White House Communications Director Hope Hicks made during her interview with investigators about possible contacts between the campaign and Russian operatives.
  • March 2, 2018: Witnesses and others familiar with the investigation reportedly told NBC News Mueller’s team was asking questions about Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner’s business ties. The following week, NBC cited sources familiar with the matter saying Qatari officials withheld damaging information about the United Arab Emirates’ influence on Kushner from Mueller.
  • March 3, 2018: According to the New York Times, Mueller was looking into attempts by the United Arab Emirates to buy political influence on Trump and the role of Lebanese-American businessman George Nader.
  • March 4, 2018: Axios obtained a copy of a subpoena sent to a former Trump campaign official by Mueller’s team. Sam Nunberg later confirmed he was the source and spoke extensively to the media about the investigation.
  • March 7, 2018: "People familiar with the matter" told the Washington Post Mueller had evidence from a cooperating witness that a secret meeting in Seychelles between a Trump ally and a Russian official prior to inauguration was an attempt to establish a back channel between the administration and the Kremlin.
  • March 15, 2018: The New York Times reported that Mueller had subpoenaed documents from the Trump Organization.
  • April 9, 2018: The New York Times learned federal investigators had raided Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s office and hotel room. Hours later, sources told the Washington Post Cohen was under investigation for possible bank fraud and campaign finance violations.
  • April 30, 2018: The New York Times obtained a list of questions Mueller wanted to ask Trump. According to the Times, the list was prepared by Trump’s attorneys after speaking to investigators but it was not given to reporters by Trump's legal team.

https://www.circa.com/story/2018/05...investigation-and-the-problems-they-may-cause

So now we should think that this ******* team is like the Pharoah's tomb and protects its secrets at threat of death??

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Yeah, but that investigative group has leaked like a sieve whenever they thought they "had something." Trump, Russia, collusion??

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Seriously, the same group has leaked repeatedly, including all of the following:

  • June 3, 2017: The Associated Press revealed Mueller’s team had taken over a criminal probe of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
  • July 22, 2017: Two sources claiming direct knowledge told Reuters Mueller’s investigators were hoping to use evidence of money laundering or other financial crimes to pressure Manafort to cooperate in the collusion probe.
  • August 3, 2017: Citing "people familiar with the matter," the Wall Street Journal reported a grand jury had been impaneled by Mueller. White House attorney Ty Cobb said at the time he was unaware of the grand jury’s existence.
  • August 9, 2017: The Washington Post reported FBI agents conducted a predawn raid of Manafort’s Virginia home on July 26 to seize documents and other materials related to Mueller’s investigation. According to the Post, people familiar with the search said a warrant sought financial records and the evidence collected included binders Manafort had prepared for his congressional testimony.
  • August 24, 2017: "A source close to the investigation" provided Fox News with new details of the raid of Manafort’s house and claimed it was “heavy-handed, designed to intimidate.”
  • August 25, 2017: "People familiar with the matter" informed the Wall Street Journal that Mueller was investigating Flynn’s involvement in a private effort to obtain Hillary Clinton’s email from Russian hackers.
  • August 28, 2017: According to NBC News, three sources said Mueller’s investigators were focused on Trump’s role in writing a response to media reports about a meeting between campaign officials and Russians at Trump Tower in June 2016.
  • September 1, 2017: The Washington Post reported Mueller’s investigators had a copy of a draft letter prepared by Trump aide Stephen Miller to justify the firing of Comey in May 2017.
  • September 20, 2017: Emails reportedly turned over to Mueller’s team and Senate investigators leaked to the Washington Post revealed that Manafort offered to provide private briefings to a Russian billionaire with ties to the Kremlin during the 2016 campaign.
  • October 4, 2017: Reuters cited three "sources familiar with the investigation" saying that Mueller’s team had taken over the FBI’s inquiries into a dossier of allegations regarding Trump’s Russia ties compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele. Two officials also reportedly told Reuters Mueller was looking into whether Manafort or others helped the Kremlin target hacking efforts and social media posts to influence the election.
  • October 27, 2017: "Sources briefed on the matter" told CNN that the first charges in Mueller’s investigation had been filed under seal. The following Monday, charges were unsealed Manafort and campaign aide Robert Gates, as well as a guilty plea by former adviser George Papadopoulos.
  • November 5, 2017: NBC News reported multiple sources said Mueller had enough evidence to bring charges against Flynn and his son. According to NBC, the FBI was also investigating a possible effort by Flynn to extradite a Muslim cleric in the U.S. whom Turkish President Recep Erdogan blamed for a coup attempt.
  • November 16, 2017: The Wall Street Journal cited a "person familiar with the matter" reporting that Mueller's team had subpoenaed Russia-related documents from Trump's campaign, including documents and emails written by several campaign officials.
  • December 2, 2017: Multiple "people familiar with the matter" told the Washington Post that former top counterintelligence official Peter Strzok was removed from Mueller’s team because of anti-Trump texts between him and an FBI attorney with whom he was having an affair. Details of many of those texts, which were under investigation by the Department of Justice Inspector General’s Office, have since been leaked to various media outlets.
  • January 2, 2018: A source detailed the physical characteristics, clothing, race, and gender of grand jury members to the New York Post and alleged that the grand jury room “looks like a Bernie Sanders rally.”
  • February 17, 2018: CNN cited anonymous sources stating that Gates was close to negotiating a plea deal with Mueller and that new charges against Manafort were being prepared. Less than a week later, Gates entered a guilty plea to conspiracy and lying to the FBI, and a superseding indictment was filed against Manafort.
  • February 27, 2018: CNN reported that three "people familiar with the matter" said Mueller had recently questioned witnesses about Trump’s business activities in Russia and negotiations surrounding a potential Trump Tower in Moscow.
  • February 28, 2018: An unnamed former Trump campaign aide told CNNMueller’s team asked about comments former White House Communications Director Hope Hicks made during her interview with investigators about possible contacts between the campaign and Russian operatives.
  • March 2, 2018: Witnesses and others familiar with the investigation reportedly told NBC News Mueller’s team was asking questions about Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner’s business ties. The following week, NBC cited sources familiar with the matter saying Qatari officials withheld damaging information about the United Arab Emirates’ influence on Kushner from Mueller.
  • March 3, 2018: According to the New York Times, Mueller was looking into attempts by the United Arab Emirates to buy political influence on Trump and the role of Lebanese-American businessman George Nader.
  • March 4, 2018: Axios obtained a copy of a subpoena sent to a former Trump campaign official by Mueller’s team. Sam Nunberg later confirmed he was the source and spoke extensively to the media about the investigation.
  • March 7, 2018: "People familiar with the matter" told the Washington Post Mueller had evidence from a cooperating witness that a secret meeting in Seychelles between a Trump ally and a Russian official prior to inauguration was an attempt to establish a back channel between the administration and the Kremlin.
  • March 15, 2018: The New York Times reported that Mueller had subpoenaed documents from the Trump Organization.
  • April 9, 2018: The New York Times learned federal investigators had raided Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s office and hotel room. Hours later, sources told the Washington Post Cohen was under investigation for possible bank fraud and campaign finance violations.
  • April 30, 2018: The New York Times obtained a list of questions Mueller wanted to ask Trump. According to the Times, the list was prepared by Trump’s attorneys after speaking to investigators but it was not given to reporters by Trump's legal team.

https://www.circa.com/story/2018/05...investigation-and-the-problems-they-may-cause

So now we should think that this ******* team is like the Pharoah's tomb and protects its secrets at threat of death??

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Good thing this investigation isn't being run by polls or public perception. Polls lie right?

Usually the longer the investigation, the more material they have to go through. Pretty simple if you can think logically.
When you are billing hourly, what is the motivation to wrap things up quickly?

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Good thing this investigation isn't being run by polls or public perception. Polls lie right?

Usually the longer the investigation, the more material they have to go through. Pretty simple if you can think logically.

Two years isn't enough?
 
Two years isn't enough?

Not if you keep finding new material. You guys don't have the advantage of knowing people who work in intelligence or the government here in the DC area. I do. I ask questions, and I don't get complete answers, but this isn't being done as a time waster, because investigations like that don't exist.

I told you 2 months ago: As the investigation drags on, the Reps will attack the length of the investigation, and the people doing the investigating, because THEY KNOW it takes time to complete these. Now they're muddying the waters and you guys are more than happy to swim in it.

Think about it, you're having people that are not involved in the investigation in any way shape or form, try and tell you what is in the investigation? That is the definition of lunacy to me.

Just a week ago McConnell backed the probe after seeing the materials in a classified meeting. Only a week ago. If there was nothing, he would have been more dismissive. You think there is a reason that this past week, the conservatives are ramping up the misinformation campaign? Could be the content of that classified meeting...
 
So a former Trump campaign aide, a former Trump campaign official and Trump’s attorneys are part of Mueller’s investigative team that have leaked reports? Interesting!

Re-read the leaks, genius. Every one came from the Mueller team, as only they would have known the status of a subpoena, or the make-up of the grand jury, or the raid on Manafort's house, or the scope of the investigation, or the investigation looking into business deals, etc.

Jesus, take time to read the material. And the clearly discredited claim that Trump's group supposedly leaked the "questions" to be asked of Trump? Horseshit made up by the left that now dominates any google search about Mueller's leaking.

You know how we know that Trump's people did NOT leak the questions to the NY Times? Because the New York Times said so in the goddamn article:

That document was provided to The Times by a person outside Mr. Trump’s legal team.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/...ab-top-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

I swear to God, so many of those left-of-center accuse conservatives of "repeating the Drudge report" or "swallowing what Fox news says," while blindly gerbiling bullshit from the Huffington compost or Vox news or wherever. The plain lie that Trump's team supposedly leaked the questions is one clear example of this. Seriously, google "Mueller leaks" and see what you get - dozens of articles outraged that Trump's team supposedly leaked the questions, when the New York ******* Times told us that was not the case.
 
Re-read the leaks, genius. Every one came from the Mueller team, as only they would have known the status of a subpoena, or the make-up of the grand jury, or the raid on Manafort's house, or the scope of the investigation, or the investigation looking into business deals, etc.

Jesus, take time to read the material.

Nope. It even names one - Sam Nunberg, Trump campaign advisor.
 
$17 Million of OUR tax dollars have been spent on this witch hunt so far. Absolutely ridiculous. Just because the Left is butthurt...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/01/trump-blasts-cost-russia-hoax-probe-after-17m-price-tag-revealed.html

Considering the government spent $55M investigating Barry Bonds, I'd say that is an incredible value.

https://mashable.com/2015/04/24/barry-bonds-government-money/#NgXMWJVe5PqU

It's only a waste of money if they don't find anything or it doesn't lead to any convictions.
 
It's only a waste of money if they don't find anything or it doesn't lead to any convictions.

Convictions for what, Cope? Look, most of you don't spend days, weeks, months in court or dealing with government bureaucrats, but here is the absolute, unmitigated truth:

If the government ******* wants to convict you of something, it will. Bank fraud because on a loan application signed under penalty of perjury you said you worked for "DEF Co." for 3 years, and it was only 2? Perjury. Bank fraud. Failed to do withholding on your gardener? Tax fraud. Perjury on your tax return. Claimed a cell phone as a business expense when you used it for personal calls 23% of the time? Tax fraud. Perjury.

If you think this doesn't happen, you are living in a bubble. The sad, ridiculous tale of the idiotic Scooter Libby prosecution proves the point:

Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed by his friend James Comey, then deputy attorney general. From the start, Mr. Fitzgerald knew that the critical “leak” to Novak had come from then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. He nevertheless commenced an extensive investigation to “discover” what had happened.

The charges against Mr. Libby were based on his description of various conversations he had with journalists at the time, including the New York Times’s Judith Miller. Based on notes she had made containing the word “bureau” in association with Ms. Plame’s job, Ms. Miller became the only reporter to testify that Mr. Libby had discussed Ms. Plame’s CIA connection with her. Mr. Fitzgerald called her testimony “critical” in his closing argument to the jury, which found Mr. Libby guilty on four of five counts.

But Ms. Miller later realized her testimony had been mistaken. Ms. Plame published a memoir in late 2007, months after Libby’s trial. In Ms. Miller’s 2015 book, “A Reporter’s Story,” she writes that one particular point in Ms. Plame’s account immediately caught her eye: Ms. Plame’s CIA “cover” had been as an employee of a State Department bureau. Mr. Libby would have known the CIA has “divisions,” not “bureaus.” He could not, therefore, have been the person who revealed Ms. Plame’s CIA connection to Ms. Miller. Ms. Miller did not recognize her mistake when preparing her trial testimony, because she did not know that Ms. Plame had a State Department cover. Had she known, she would not have claimed she and Mr. Libby had discussed Ms. Plame’s CIA status. But Mr. Fitzgerald knew, and Ms. Miller believes he deliberately led her away from the truth.

All this means that Mr. Libby was telling the truth about his conversations with Ms. Miller, and that he did not deliberately mislead Mr. Fitzgerald’s grand jury or the FBI. For her part, Ms. Miller had not lied at Mr. Libby’s trial; she had given false testimony in good faith. “With the information about Plame’s cover that Fitzgerald had withheld, it was hard not to conclude that my testimony had been wrong,” she writes.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-right-to-pardon-scooter-libby-an-innocent-man-1523658362

But hey, they got a conviction ... right???
 
You make a good point Steeltime, but you have to take investigations individually. It is a process, and they don't convict until the investigation is complete.

Obviously the Scooter Libby investigation became moot (and a waste of money) once Trump pardoned him. The same can be done with any federal convictions to Trump's team that may be indicted. Perhaps that is why he was asking about pardon powers a year ago?

I just can't make blind associations about investigations that have not been concluded.

And Vader one doesn't negate the other. Just an example to put it into perspective. Largely the $55M was wasted because what did it net? 30 days of house arrest and 2yrs probation? I'd say that is a poor use of funds. I still don't know what the Muller investigation will net, but I will call it a failure if it nets nothing.
 
And Vader one doesn't negate the other. Just an example to put it into perspective. Largely the $55M was wasted because what did it net? 30 days of house arrest and 2yrs probation? I'd say that is a poor use of funds. I still don't know what the Muller investigation will net, but I will call it a failure if it nets nothing.

Which is why I said:

One bad investment doesn't negate the other bad investment.

They can both be bad. And even if convictions are made that doesn't make it good either since we know that Mueller can convict people that haven't done anything wrong as Steeltime pointed out.
 
They can both be bad. And even if convictions are made that doesn't make it good either since we know that Mueller can convict people that haven't done anything wrong as Steeltime pointed out.

Two of Mueller's convictions hadn't even broken any laws before the Mueller investigation.........Flynn and Papadopoulous. This is a witch hunt to take down Trump. If you believe otherwise, you are blinded by your partisanship.
 
Two of Mueller's convictions hadn't even broken any laws before the Mueller investigation.........Flynn and Papadopoulous. This is a witch hunt to take down Trump. If you believe otherwise, you are blinded by your partisanship.

And the indictment of 13 Russians or Russian companies? What a ******* joke. Why not indict Kim Jong Un and tell him, "Hey, we indicted you, so you need to step down"??
 
Hmmmmm.....500 days in office....has he been indicted yet?


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NOPE!

hahahahahahaha
 
Hmmmmm.....500 days in office....has he been indicted yet?

NOPE!

hahahahahahaha

The fact that this President can accomplish so much while under constant assault from the Mueller probe, the mainstream media, and his fellow obstructionist Repubs is a testimony to his skills and brilliance.


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